*DAMN R6 Forum

Well, seems I havn't made a controversial thread in over a week, so here it is.....

(oh, and I have sold new vehicles from all three manufacturers.....currently selling Ford)

Of the three i'd say Chrysler because i like their designs better. I'm sure bucc will crucify me for not saying ford. I don't follow cars, but most of the most progressive designs i've seen recently are from the Chrysler camp. Anyhow i'm currently looking at buying a beemer.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to abstain from this poll, because to put it nicely, they all blow nuts... ok... MAYBE Ford is ok. But that's a maybe.

Sadly, picking which of the big three makes the best autos is much like picking which meat - pork, chicken, or beef - I like better, rotten.

"American" car companies, I'm saying, make rotten cars.

How can you pick which piece of crap you like better?

Now, as for trucks.....

Further, can you truly call Chrysler American these days? Germans own them.

As for Ford, Ford built trucks for the Nazis in WWII. Ford himself was a proud anti-semit and fascist. Ford's not truly American, either.

GM's American alright. And they suck the most. Fuckers. Oh, they also sold engines and part to Hitler during WWII before the US jumped in. They're Nazi lovers too. I guess their more capitalist than true blue.

I'd rather just give my money to a company that, at least, acknowledges the fact they used jews for slaves. Or to companies that built the bombers that bombed Pearl. But then I like honesty over faux patriotism.

Hell, Honda and Toyoya make there cars in the US these days ...

yeah sixhits,
Your argument is moot, the Volkswagen Bug was designed by hitler to be an economical car for the people, BMW built airplanes for the Luftwaffe during the wars. Not to mention all the airplanes made by Mitsubishi for the japanese during the war. Besides Everyone knows Ford was an anti-Semitic idiot towards the end of his life.

Like i said in my previous post, i'm going to buy a beemer. And BMW built engines for airplanes that dropped booms on my ancestors in england and they also helped contribute towards the holocaust.

An automakers past has nothing to do with which of 3 american car companies is the best.

American cars = bad quality. But why turn this into an argument over who has the cleanest record, it's about what they stand for now, not what they did 60 years ago.

You want a solid car? Get a Toyota or a BMW. Bottom line.

You forgot to mention some other key Chrysler brands, like oh, I don't know? MERCEDES maybe? I pick Chrysler for the Benz label alone. Neither my parents nor I have ever owned an American car so I can't say for certain, but in terms of aesthetics I'd pick Chrysler. I'd also pick Chrysler because they don't make any ridiculously big gas guzzlers like Ford and GM do.

sure they do tasty, ever heard of the durango. how bout the viper? they suck it up like it was 1969. they do get points for making the jeep though.

Ford Mustang 5.0

Wow, can't believe nobody has voted for General Motors yet....they are the world's largest auto maker.  They include Pontiac, Buick, GMC, Chevy, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Opel, Hummer, and Saab.

Also, Ford is Lincoln, Mercury, Volvo, Mazda, Jaguar, Aston Martin, and Land Rover.

And yes, Chrysler (now Daimler-Chrysler) includes Mercedes-Benz, Maybach, Dodge, Jeep, C Smart, Setra, Freigtliner Trucks, Western Star Trucks, and Sterling Trucks.

I have indeed sold the following new vehicle lines: Pontiac, Buick, GMC, Chevy, Cadillac, Olds, Chrylser, Plymouth, Dodge, Jeep, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, and Daewoo.  I have also owned one or more of most of those makes, as well as Mazda, Volvo, Mercedes, BMW, Mitsubishi, Acura, and Porsche.  And I have sold at least one vehicle from nearly every make out there (including one Ferrari).

The best built vehicles in the world are Ford Trucks (Ford cars just plain suck, no doubt about it), Mercedes, Porsche, and Hummer (drove those in the Army).  This is from a look at reliability that I have personally seen and can vouche for.  As for the guy who said Toyota and BMW are the best, I would say stick with Toyota cause you'll be sadly awakened when you have to take that Beamer into the shop once a week....and when you find out nobody wants to give you anything for one on trade-in.

Ah, now you guys will just love my next poll......"Who makes the best airplanes?" :)

The U.S. Army.


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Hmmm....you say the Army, which doesn't really fly (or build) too many airplanes, and then you show a picture of an airplane that only the U.S. Navy and Iran flies (the F-14 Tomcat).  Although I do admit that the F-14 is one of my all-time favorites, Grumman made it, not the U.S. Navy.

Ah, but this is all just a bit off-topic....so I will hurry over and start that airplane poll now.....

With regards to this poll, I've owned a 1992 VW Jetta (clipped telephone poll) a 1998(pre-MOPAR nazification) Dodge Dakota 5.9L R/T Flame Red RC (was my baby till I wrapped it around a guard rail) and my current vehicle a 1987 Ford EXP. I would say the least problematic was the VW, the most kick ass the MOPAR and the most reliable the Ford (even though its the biggest piece of shit in existence, it has never failed to fire up since 1987). Ill always be a fan of MOPAR muscle cars though.

Jeb, usually I'd agree with you, but the thing is, the point I was making was that, while the Germans and Japanese did terrible things, at least they've acknowledged it - even if it was because we put GIs and tanks and bombs into their evil little countries. The "American" companies, now they hide behind the fact we won the war, when really they were pulling for the other side the whole time. For me, tratiors are worse than the enemy.

Anyway, it gets even more confusing when you remember that a lot of these car companies, American and foreign, all own parts of each other. They may not have majority ownership like Ford has over Jag, but basically, the financial ties between these companies make then so intergrated that the concept of American or foreign really gets lost.

Yeah cutter, those do suck down gas unnecessarily, but when I was thinking of big dumb cars I was thinking of even bigger ones, Hummer, Navigator, Escalade, Excursion, Expedition, Suburban, etc.

General motors?? People are voting for General motors? Hang on here they don't make cars... General motors just OWN companies that make cars... you can't lump them all together... A ford car (i belive) tends to be junk on wheels (normally 4 if your lucky ;) ) but say the Aston martin and the jaguar are the opposite.

Unfortunatly all the great british car builders have been bought by American based compaines... yes Ford im talking to you.

Aston Martins are stunning cars. What about Rolls Royce? We are we not mentioning some of the best cars made? What about Jaguars or Bentlys?

1) How is Ford not truly American?

2) Ford built the biggest plant at the time (Willow Run) and taught the aircraft industry how to build planes fast for WW2.  He was as behind the USA efforts in WW2 as anyone you schlep.

3) Pre WW2, everyone sold to the Nazi's, because nobody really knew how bad they were.  Remember when we first found out about concentration camps at all?

You really need to hop off the propoganda train and look at some facts too.

Ok, back on topic.

Chrysler by far does the best sheetmetal work today (and I'm talking about the guys up in Auburn Hills that turned out the PT Cruiser, Panther, Viper, etc, not the Mercedies).  They have the most imagination and best style group willing to take risks to make cars not all look alike.

Ford makes the best trucks hands down.  Anyone that's driven a superduty with a powerstroke deisel knows what I'm talking about.  Damn things can pull a house, without a trailer =D.

GM just copies what the others have success with.  They very much react to the market.  Saturn was a brief exception that has now fallen inline with the rest of GM.

Most of what comes out of Japan has strong US design influences (look at Nissan's SUV's and tell me where they were designed if you dare).  Mazda, the best of Nippon, is Ford anyway.  I like that Honda is leading the pack in the hybrid cars, but even they are going too slow.

BTW BFG, the quality of a Jag was in the toilet before Ford bought them (let's talk about electrical problems and engines), after Ford brought in their quality engineers, Jag started winning the JD Powers awards for quality.  LandRovers and Jags, being some of the best cars in the world, are Fords and are mentioned BFG =D.  And Ford doesn't leave them alone.  I worked on Jag projects while I was at Ford (flew over to the UK a few times for that too).  I almost brought back a Ford Mavrick SUV back with me that I drove over there.

Personally all 3 sucks anyway.  But if I had to pick, I would say GM, mainly b/c I have driven GM cars and experienced far less problems than with Ford or Chrylser.

Incase you don't know FORD stands for: Found On Road Dead and Fix Or Repair Daily enough said.

Chrysler is just plain cheap body and engines (some cars), most especially the Jeeps (cherokee), omg they really stink.

Ummmm, actually, FORD stands for FIRST ON RACE DAY.

Dude, Ford has not made an Escort for consumer use since 1998 (they made them exclusively for rental car companies and fleets until 2002 when they were completely discontinued.....and the ZX2 ran through the 2003 Model Year before being discontinued).  And as for the Explorer, once Ford redesigned it in 2002 it is one of the best SUVs on the road....no problems at all......and also pretty quick with either the 4.0L SOHC V-6 or the 4.6L SOHC V-8 (they all come with a new 5-speed automatic transmission that is just awesome).  And if you want bang for the buck, try out the Ford SVT Focus....comes with a 6-Speed Manual Transmission and will blow the doors off most anything in its price range.  And you don't have to buy a Saleen to get fast cars from Ford......Ford's own SVT division makes a high performance Focus (the SVT Focus), F-150 (the Lightning), and Mustang (the Cobra).  On top of that, the new Ford GT SuperCar is gonna be in production this year and will be a match for any Ferrari out there.

I really like the opinions of the great unwashed, they always give me a warm, happy feeling.

Like those that say American cars != quality.  Blow me.  Read some JD Powers reports sometimes, please.  Jaguar quality was shit right before Ford picked them up, now they get top honors year after year.  I don't think I've had a Ford in for a repair that was under 6 years old, other than getting new brakes.  I've also driven many Fords past 150,000 miles.  If that's not quality, I don't know what is.

Oh, and Tasty, how you can not associate Diamler-Chrysler and gas comsumption is beyond me.  Did you overlook their SUV's because they suck so much?  Because those HEMI's don't sip the gas you know.  Not to mention that my wife's Ford SUV gets ~30MPG (how many others can say that?).

I realize that yes, I am biased, but it also is disturbing that you guys have opinions that have been outdated long before you were old enough to get behind the wheel.  Every auto maker has somethings they do right, and others that they don't, but to call American cars shit when you haven't even driven them is just ignorant (and that's being nice about it).

Go out and educate yourselves before you form dumbass opinions.  Please.

Some of you obviously can't comprehend the topic title. "Which of the "Big Three" Makes the Best Autos?" Not which care company is the best. He said out of the Big 3 which is best. Geez, <slaps everyone>

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And we all know Ford is the best of the 3.

Oh yea there's a page 2. Well on this sub-topic, I agree with bucc that Ford turned around the jag. But it also saved the Volvo from certian death. Ford has the quality that people want, I supose you could call most Fords bang for buck....Their sub divisions are wisely chosen and are quality:

-Jagaur: some of those are just so damn sexy
-Lincoln: :-x
-mercury: sure why not
-mazda- zoom zoom?
-volvo- that new S60R is fast (family got one)
-landrover- hey i hate boxes on wheels but some people dig that  ???

All the chyrsler brands seem very overdone, design wise. And for the record i hate Dodge....Dodge....RAM....<throws up>.

The only thing GM can brag about are the hummers. But now they even fucked up those.

I don't know much about cars, but I voted for Ford.

But another brand I really like is Maserati.
http://www.maserati.com.au/ (http://www.maserati.com.au/)
I would love to have a Spyder GT.

Having driven a 1994 Nissan Sentra for the past year and so months until it kindly spun into a tree at 60, I'd say my opnion is a little biased, but here it goes. As far which of the Big Three, makes the best cars, I'd say Chrysler makes the best cars. Ford the best bang for the buck sports cars and trucks (gotta love the SVT Lightning). Yet, When you start comparing the japaneese manufactures to the "Big Three" the Big three start to come up short. Honda, Toyota, Nissan and Mazda all build really decent cars and the quality for the price is usually what makes them sell over the shit the Big Three pump out. The only car I would ever drive from Frod would be something tuned by SVT or maybe if I could get my hands on an Escort Cosworth... Don't get me wrong I love Mustangs as much as the next guy but, something about the light weight of the 4 banger sports cars that the Japanees manufactuers are putting out appeals to me. Muscle fans can say "no replacement for displacement" all they want and import lovers will counter with "technology" again and again, but if you think about the big displacement Japanesse cars that came out someone them are a force to be reckoned with. Anyone whos ever seen a video of the Walser Supra blowing off a Honda 900RR knows what I'm talking about. I've seen video of 94 Sentra SE-R blowing off a new 03 Mustang SVT Cobra. I attend street races frequently in Atlanta to get video and take pictures and by buddies are muscle car guys (69 Camaro RS Z/28 with a 383 High Compression Stroker motor & a 94 Mustang STV Cobra with a 5.0 motor swap) and I hear more shit talk than a lot of you can imagine, but it really all boils down to preferece get what you like. Lots of people laughed at my Sentra when I had it (it had 1 seat and the interior was stripped) but we used to wait for people in Civic Si's to drive by on the street and we'd take turns racing the Civics. My mom drives a Maxima and wants an FX45, My dad wanted a Harley but rode a Kawasaki Z1000, I used to drive a Sentra and hopefully I'll be replacing the old Sentra with a Sentra SE-R Spec V. Back to the point.. People like different shit and what you drive is usally based on your personal preferece, as far as I'm concerned the Big Three when they really focus on something it comes out great. Look at the new Ford GT, it out runs the Ferrari 360 Stradsdale and the Porche GT3 in a straight line and on a race course costing I think a lot less than the Ferrari and just a tad more than the Porche. Car and Driver said the only thing they can really compare the $111,000  Ford GT to, is the $400,000 Saleen S7 and the $660,000 Ferrari Enzo. When the Big Three actually try to make a good car, they do. When they just try to make a profit, they make shit.