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Why i cant see a post about Netfon and GR, why is the comunity so indiferrent with what evill is doing.

dont u see there is less and less CBs also because there is no way to use netfone or KDX anymore

And also if there is a way, why is none taking position and regrouping to fight against this consumer attack, against this new spyware that has become GR!!!!

I claim loud and clear that this program has become a spyware and I do it on every place i can (version tracker for one, and email to haxial, and ubisoft)

* doesnt allow netfon or kdx to work
* doesnt allow the use of GHR (doesnt start if multisession is on)
... and more things

I can say all that cause i have all the license, cause i paid for all of them and because i'm a premium user that is not happy with what is appening, and has a good customer i take all the rights I have to complain.

Hope the comunity will come up with something that will put some good thaught in Evill mind!! ;-)

ghost upset

Must be because you aren't looking hard enough.  There were a bunch of posts about it.

And the community isn't indifferent, but many of us just understand that it's his and he has a right to do it.

Especially the way he's gone about it now.  Now, you just can't launch the game.  So it's not quitting KDX, it's just telling you that you can't launch a game using his service if you are using a voice chat application.  This is completely within his rights.


Don't see that at all, especially because most of the clans I know have many premium members, so they can use them just fine.


What consumer attack?  Did you pay for something and now he's taken it away?  Don't think you paid for GR, so this can't be the case.  Side note: if you paid for NF and not GR, than there is something wrong with you that you support a third party app to use with GR, but wont pay for GR itself.

And what spyware?  Do you know what that word means?  I do not think it means what you think it means.


Really? I hope you make this claim with some proof, because otherwise you are not only wrong, but you are lower than dog shit.  Spyware isn't him saying his app in the free, neutered version, wont work with voice chat programs.


If you are a premium user, than KDX and NetFone work for you.  And GhR will run even with multiple users logged in.  They all work fine for me.

Well I can't launch a game when I got multiple users in panther.  It is not just KDX or Netphone he's blocking.
The business ethics are hard to find here.
He is misusing his monopoly position to make ppl pay for his service.
It's is not because the product is his product  he can do ANYTHING he wants.
He is still bound by rules and regulations.

buccaner how can u deffend that actions

are u a microsoft addict do u use windows?

he is now checking what is appening on ur computer, that is a spyware, he is reading what u type in private chat room that is a spyware

DO U KNOW what u talk about, i guess not

I PAID FOR PREMIUM and I DONT GET ANYTHING more than the others!!!!!!!!!!!

ALOT OF CLANS have coders, developpers and they already re master netfone so it cant be recongnised by GR and so cant be blocked and so get an advantages in CBs

THIS will creat a big problem in the finals

I will CB clans only that dont use NF since my clan that doesnt want to pay cant USE NF or KDX,

JUST tell me how much u get from evill to see if its worth betrading ur brothers in arm

AND finaly yes its an issue of the battle league u'll see it ask to more modo and u'll see

AND one more thing there is alot of post that belong less there than mine

but these doesnt disturbe u : like this one http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=5142

But this stays there

mine is disturbing u some way and i wonder homuch damn has some thing to do with evill sometimes!!

This issue will affect the BL league and the life time of GR and GHR

LOL ::)

I know u would smil I smile 2 sometimes !!

Evill has always been able to read what goes on in private chatrooms on GR. It's his right, he owns GameRanger after all. It helps him combat software piracy. If you want to chat privately, use AIM. You shouldn't worry about this stuff unless you're a software pirate, which I'm guessing you are, because you seem to be so worked up about not having privacy on GR. Also, I don't think he's able to check what's happening on people's computers. All GR checks for is to see if Netfone/KDX is running. Don't get your panties into a bunch.

must be french

Only because that one was posted before I was a BL moderator Ghost.  Or I would have moved it too.  So before you go making your accusations, think about it.  I didn't delete you post, I moved it to an area where more will see and respond to it, one of the things you were looking for.


With a keyboard and logic, thankyouverymuch.


Nope, not that it would have anything to do with this.  Nice try though.


Checking the active processes and not running before hand is not spyware.  Reading what goes on in chat is not spyware either.  It's called ADMINISTRATION.  Have you even ever bothered to read your terms of service?  You agreed to this, you clicked the little "yes" button, didn't you?


It sure seems like I know a hell of a lot more than you so far.


If you are on your premium account, it will allow you to use NetFone and KDX.  Since I'm premium, and my clan is almost all premium, and we all use it all the time, I think I know what I'm talking about.  Not to mention all the other premium users I've still chatted with.  Get a clue, maybe it's you that is screwing up, not Premium.


Ghost, check my clan tag, MP probably has the biggest collection of coders in one clan.  There are work-arounds for the blocking that Evill put in, and Evill is closing them up.  


That's your choice.


Freeloading bitches are not my brothers in arms.  

Evill has two version of GameRanger, a neutered one that people can use for free (and they should be THANKFUL FOR IT) and a full service one, that you have to pay for.  People using a service for free shouldn't be bitching about it.  If you can pay for the latest games and new enough computers to run them on, you can pay for GR.  If you have the money and chose not to, stop your bitching, you haven't paid for the right to bitch.

And Evill pays me with great customer service.  His latest change hosed up our dedicated servers, soon as he found out, he fixed it for us on the spot.  This is like the 12th time I can remember someone going to him with a problem that he addressed right away.  That's how he has earned my respect.  

And sorry, but maybe I just understand business better than you.  


The first, best work around for NetFone was to log in as another user in fast user switching, launch it and set it up, leave it running and switch back to play games.  

So the only way to stop it in the free version is to not launch games while multiple users are logged in.


No they aren't.  Two products, a neutered free sample and a full service app that costs money.  It's a very old, very proven business model.  He's not stopping you from using other programs, he's stopping his free trial version from working with them.  What's not ethical about that?


That is the goal of all business.  To have people pay, to make money.  Isn't it?  Or should I throw away my MBA now because it was worthless?  

Seriously, get a clue, he deserves to make money.  If he doesn't make money, the service eventually goes away.  You think that's a good thing?


You even have a clue as to those "rules and regulations"?  Because I don't think so.

He's not using his products to maintain a monopoly, which would be more anti-trust related, he isn't stopping anyone here from launching their own service.  

Shit, you know the very first time that I chatted with Evill?  He jumped onto MacClans chat.  Everyone was freaked out and scared thinking that Evill would be against it, ban us all and stupid shit like that.  GR was having some network issues and we had a couple hundred visiting our chat to set up games and BS around.  Evill joined and we had a good laugh about how everyone was scared.  He didn't flex his GR muscles at me, didn't ask or tell me to shut it down.  I got the impression he thought it was a good thing to do with the situation as it was.  

So Evill isn't the Bill Gates you make him out to be.  He listens to his customers (and yes, that's "PAYING CUSTOMERS").  Well, at least the ones that make sense.  

Face it, you guys got spoiled on a free GR that was everything.  Now there are two versions.  The neutered version and the full version.  The gap between them will continue to grow.  And before you cry "he shouldn't take away from the free version, it's not right", give me a reason it's not right.  Not just that you don't want to pay for the full version to get all the features, but a real reason.

And he's not sabotaging thrid party apps, not the way it's done now.  First, they work with the full version, second, he disabled a GR joining feature, which means it's GR that gets sabotaged, not the other products.

Keep in mind that he is bound by Australian laws and International laws.  Laws in the United States are much more strict when dealing with things like monopolies.

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Even in the USA, he wouldn't have violated any anti-trust laws.  

The other software in question does not compete with his, and it is the "trial" or "limited" version, not the full version that is effected.  

jesus, i thought bucc had enough ranting about this 3 weeks ago..

and why do you waste your time with the french? in the time it took ya to type out that one that no one read ;) i could have conquered their country... ;D

Nah, I type at an outrageous pace.  It only took about 5 minutes to type all that out.  And it even took Germany a few hours to take over France.

5 MINUTES!!  :o Come on, no way!  ??? I say at least 10-15min.

Buccaneer thx for reply

I agree with u on some points

But when i first used GR it was not a question of trial or else, it was GR

Now if he really start to make alot of money with it and if u are so smart MBA guy why dont u make a startup that will creat the ultimate Game linker and sell to us stupid frenchy a 10euro membership so you will make money and he will start to understand what competition mean.

And i'm sure the more money he makes the more people will do the same and very fast, and then we will have the choice, personnaly i will choose the one that treat me the best!

And i dont care if he make money i hope he makes alot like me, but not that way!!
That is a loss of freedom cause now none got the choice

And no workarround are working anymore.

And if u have the word freedom in some constitution its 100% thx to the french!!

again thx to take some time buccaneer

ghost je sais pas si tu comprends pas bien l'anglais, mai st'es en train de te faire bacher par buccanier et compagnie ! En plus tu le remercie, ca c'est fort ;)

That's part of the problem Ghost, he's not making a bunch of money from it.  If he were, he probably woudn't be pushing as hard as he is, would he?



And if he were making a bunch of money off us, I'm sure there would be competition.  And competition in business is a good thing.  It would make sure we had options, and that prices were fair.  Not that I think 10 euros is a fair price, I don't think charging as much for GR as one new game costs is unfair myself.


It's not a loss of freedom, because there wasn't a change in the options you had.  You could use GR, or you could use one of the others like MaG that are not used much at all.  You still have those options.


Yes, one is.  The "not using GR to host your games" workaround still works fine.  Chat with people on GR, give them the IP and let everyone IP join.  Nobody is forcing you to use GR at all.  Nobody is forcing you to use the key feature of joining games through GR.  You can always work around those issues.

The problem is, people want everything for nothing.


Not true, and do you really want to turn this into another France vs the USA thread?


Oh, Bob, I think he is understanding just fine, so fuck off.

I don't like this from a BL staff member. If you thing american are superior as the rest of the world, you're on the bad way. This sort of contributions are making american unpopular in europe and in the world. American people should pay attention to this.

You people who are using Premium GR without paying make me sick. No, I'm not on Premium, but just because I can't afford it, I don't go and steal his hard-earned work. Stupid bastards. Honestly, that is so fucking cheap. Ugh. It makes me so mad. Blah. Get a life, or pay for premium. Don't do that shit.

So, pointing out that France fell to the Nazi's in about the same amount of time as Iraq fell to the USA, while being an accurate statement on my part here now, should be censored for some reason?  Ignoring history isn't going to make it change you know.

I don't think Bucc mentioned Americans thinking they are superior to the rest of the world.  All he said was that Germany marched on France within the time it takes to watch the Matrix Trilogy.  His words might have been insensitive to some, but fact for all.  I know this is not a history thread, but at least respect it for what it is.  Truth.

Personally, I don't really care for your perception of what Europeans think of Americans.  Most of the Europeans I know actually like Americans and the United States as a whole.  In fact, I believe what the European people dislike is exactly what we dislike; President Bush and his Administration.  Hell, many Americans do not like this guy.  I think most of what Europe hears about the U.S. has more to do with our shady politics than our citizens.  I currently live in the State of Florida, which is one of the biggest tourist destination spots in the entire world.  I get to meet people from all corners of the globe, and I always ask them what they like the most and what they dislike the most.  They all say the people are great, friendly, and helpful.  Almost all of them disliked one of two things; the wonderful Florida traffic, and the airports.  So, pmeur, please choose your words more wisely in the future.  The way you speak makes it sound like you are a spokesperson for all of Europe.  Not all of Europe, or this virtual community, shares the same views as you.  Come to the United States sometime.  The boys of The .::|N|etwork will show you a good time!

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Is someone able to get Premium without paying for it?  I'm confused with Mr. Mellow's statement.  He makes it sound as if people are somehow using Premium service on GR for free.  I think maybe he has this confused with the NF workaround.

Care to clarify, Mr. Mellow?

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See the Spam thread in the Admin section Noto, it's there.

lets stop talking about american and french or euros

Lets get back to the point

" what will append during the final if one clans has a work arround for using NF and the other one does not??"

" what will append if none of this clans that are using NF (with a work arround) want to ip join a CB???"

As long are they are not holding up the CB, there really isn't a problem.  The "NF work around" really only effects the time it takes to join the room.  It might delay things a bit, but as long as the other clan has an understanding of this, there is nothing in the current version of the rules that restricts or forbids this.  Also, if one clan is having trouble with their members not knowing how to work around the NF & KDX block, it is their problem and should not hold up the CB any longer than it takes to simply connect and play.  Voice communication is allowed, but it is not required for this league.  Therefore, it is the clan's responsibility to choose the software that best suits them.


Unless you know something that I don't, IP joining is longer able to be performed due to the latest Ghost Recon / GameRanger plug-in.  I tried to IP join my own server and it said I had the wrong version.  If you host a game where the players join through GameRanger, IP joining will be unavailable.

Although, as long as it's okay with both clans, you could always host a CB outside of GameRanger and have player IP join that way.  Unfortunately, there would be no way to detect cheats and such that GameRanger helps to prevent.  If you check out the *DAMN BL Rules, you will notice the very first thing you read says:

"*DAMN Battle League: A clan ladder for Macintosh (Apple) clans and players using GameRanger (GR) only. IP joining, as well as other platform players, are only allowed if both clans agree.  Only clan battles set up through GameRanger are counted towards the ladder."

Since this was written before the recent blocks on NF, KDX, and multiple users (OSX 10.3), I can take this to Mauti and the other Admins to discuss a "work around" for this rule.  It seems simple enough to say that if both clans agree, a clan battle could be hosted outside of GameRanger so that third party software such as NF and KDX may be used.

I hope this info has helped ghost.fr.  Reply or PM if you have any other questions.

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ok thx for reply

Its very clear, its going to make troubles during CBs, cause we will have to do cheat tests again.... (whata waste)

Hope someone comes out with a solution, like a costomised version of nf that would cancel the GR block!!!

please if someone has a solution just tell me and the all comunity!!

ow they must be yankees  ;D


have a good day Bush's puppets

And out of the discution some things about ur history (short history)

"Le r?le du marquis de La Fayette dans l'histoire de l'ind?pendance am?ricaine avait ?t? consacr?e de longue date ? Washington par un square portant son nom, avec au centre sa statue ?questre, devant la Maison Blanche."

(make it translate by some web software if u are interested!! if not just dont worry)

"... les n?gociations qui suivirent aboutirent, le 3 septembre 1783, au trait? de paix de Versailles. Acte de naissance officiel des Etats-Unis, ce trait? est aussi le symbole de l?amiti? franco-americaine."

My french isn't that rusty to where I would need or use a translator.  I could understand exactly what you said.  If you want to being LaFayette into this, by all means, I'll even open the door.  That was a much different france than the france of today.  I think the majority of the conversations have revolved around current events, or at within the past 50 years or so.  Bringing in 200 year old dead white guys into this isn't going to prove any point that you may or may not have.  I'm betting on the latter.  franc for your thoughts?

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P.S.  If your comment about a short history was a poke at the U.S., then that was a very, very sad attempt.

I think this sums it all up...

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-French_sentiment_in_the_United_States

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just for u to think about

Every time there has been an empire, there was barbarian to fight it. Today i feel like a barbarian

And i fight with some words some xenophobik people, words that i dont even really know to use cause they are not my language.

And ur history makes who u are...

The french acctually have a very proud history, don't know where you all came up with this BS.

"If they are yelling at you, you know your doing something right" keep it up france  ;)

Ps. They translate/dub everything that comes out of the TV in france, which might explain some bad choices of words.

Woah woah there. If Scot wanted to make loads of money from GR then he wouldn't make it a Free Download. Notice the word Free in that sentance. People are perfectly entitled to download and use GR in its normal form, as a free way to  meet and play with and against other GR users. IF scot didn't want this well it wouldn't be free any more would it!
Some of us picked premium to gain access to new features that were made available. Thats cool.
I don't agree with what scot has done, or at least i feel there should have been some more publicity/ communication from him that he was intending to remove GR compatability in so many ways. But at the same time, its his application, and for those of you that havn't paid anything for it... well you dont' have much of a leg to stand on. (ps. come on premium isn't exactly expensive. ?30 or so or $50 ish? whats that one new mac game? a couple of rounds in the pub? not a lot

ps. would all the americans stop slagging of the french? Just cos the French arnt' some gun toting fantatical war mongering nutters. its pathetic. Lol and for those americans who are laughing at French history... well hey at least they have some history.

Noto,

Writing that I had problems with others clans besides MP is simply false.
I have been kicked only one time from they room, and since then, nothing (i'm not playing on MP servers anymore).

On Topic:
Ghost, Mauti has already answered this.  Clans have always had the option of voice communications, even when some couldn't run it.  Example.  The old chat program (Roger Wilco) only worked if you set it up, and then only for OS9.  So clans that had OSX people like me, that didn't run OS9 on their computer at all, couldn't use it, while the other clan could.  Same thing with NetFone.  A couple clans were using it long before word got out about it.  It wasn't and isn't cheating, since it's always been allowed in the rules.

I have no idea why you'd need cheat tests, since using voice communication isn't a cheat.  If it's that important to you, why not call up your clan mates and put them on speaker phone?  I've actually done that back in the R6 days.

Off Topic:
BFG, you are smarter than that.  Anyone that thinks American history ends 200 years ago with the start of our current government would have to also say that French history ends right before that, with their own revolution, right?  Didn't think so.  And so it's pretty short sighted of anyone to say that American history starts in 1776, or even 1492.

Ghost, since France was one of the big empire builders of the past, I don't think you can qualify as a barbarian, especially when your government has pulled shit more disgusting than what Bush is doing (I say again the Suez Cannel for the brits and frogs, the bombing of the rainbow warrior by the French government, the nuke testing in the pacific that killed thousands by the French as late as the 80's).  I could go on, but I don't think anyone is listening, since they like to think only the USA would do such things.

Bob, you are right, you aren't playing on the MP servers, and it's a mutual decision.

I am quite certain that the e?e clan has been banned from all .::|N| Servers as well.  We would count as another clan of course.  Therefore, it is not false at all.  You should ask Gian or G??nk about the bans from .::|N|.

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well i played with two others e?e on your server last week. You were there, and we were playing BL maps. Maybe you banned only Gian for whatever reason, but I didnt do anything bad on your server .

LOL, not to bust your bubble or offend anyone,  but I think most americans would care less.

Don't group all Americans together. Some of us realize what a horrible fascist, illegal war waging, hypocritical, imperialistic government the US has turned into. When the rest of the world gets sick of the abuse from America and decides to nuke us off the map, give me 48 hours notice will you? :)

X86, my whole point has been that it's hypocritical for the French, Brits, and most others to bitch about America and Americans, when their own governments are just as bad or worse.  

I love when I hear the French bitch about us boycotting their wines, after the shit they pulled with New Zealand not all that long ago (boycotted their goods for putting French assassins in prison where they belonged).  It's all just music to my ears when I hear that shit.

If America is so bad, why don't you move your ass somewhere else?  Tell you what I'll do for you, I'll buy you a plane ticket to anywhere in the world you want to go (France, Egypt, Argentina, I don't care where...), with the following stipulation:  YOU CAN NEVER EVER COME BACK TO THE UNITED STATES OR ANY OF ITS TERRITORIES, not even to visit.

PM me and let me know where to send the tickets.

-GhostSniper Out.

GOOD BYE, TOPIC! Fare thee well!

I'm actually amazed this hasn't been locked yet.  It's been flames since page 1.  Perhaps ghost.fr didn't voice his opinion in the way that some of us would have liked, but some ofthe flames pretty much started up for no apparant reason whatsoever.

Is it about time for a Moderator to lock this puppy?

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