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Srry, dont mean to be a pain in the ass, but how the hell can /GSF/ play a cb let alone lose one to ~SL if they only have one guy registered in their clan to be able to CB on DAMN BL?  Plz explain this.  Cause from what I remember you cannot cb a clan with one guy on the GR ladder and also they have to be registered otherwise you cannot cb until they are.  If this is the case then plz erase the ~SL cb against /GSF/ cause in a legalities of the rules it should not count.  Thanks.

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Another question, I thought as well that all clans that have 0 and you fought were worth 50.  I am probably wrong on this but could you plz explain how this works.  Is this just the clans that havent played are worth 50, or all clans that have 0 are worth 50.  Plz explain.  Thanks


+MOD+Saberian

OK, now I am starting to get annoyed!  There is another CB that it seems that SL~ had with |DIK| that was 5-1-0 win.  I mean look at this freaking post?!?  Dark Doom, Nuke and Elite against |DIK| General Blaster.  Srry but that just dosent cut it guys.  They are supposed to be even matched games with the same amount of people.  This is the 2nd cb I have found that ~SL has posted without any listing of other players played cause |DIK| is not even registered.   And since this has been the 2nd time this has happened and the second time this was posted without no checking whatsoever, then I believe that this is a forfieture of a clan from the CB season.  Ya see, they had to know that it wasnt going to count from the beginning when they posted it and only one clan members name came up, but they posted it nevertheless, without any regard for the rules that were stated of all clans since the beginning of this season.  For that they should be disqualified for attempting to get wins without proper verification from the other team.  Srry, but the rules are the rules, and that one was known by all clan members.  Plus I believe that 2 clans that were also involved should be disqualified as well.
Fix this plz and take care of this cb.  Thanks.

+MOD+Saberian

Sab,

My bet is that it was a full 3v3 but 2 of the other teams players have yet to register for the BL.  I doubt SL did a 3v1.  

On another note, only the unranked clans are worth 50pts.  Even if you have no wins, you still have rank, and you'll get those points from that rank.

Well, the rules state that all members participating in the cb's MUST be registered with DAMN.  So therefore they tried to post CB's with the knowledge that the other clan did not yet sign up for BL completely.  i mean what the hell is the point for all my members to sign up if they can play anyway without being registered to DAMN.  That was part of the rules, as far as I know.  Weather or not it was a 3 vs 3 was not the point.  SL~ did not do their homework, and on top of it SL~ tried to cover the CB up with a lie knowing that the other clans members were not registered.  So that being the case they should at least be taken out as counted cb's cause they were not official.  I am only going by what the rules were about all members participating in cb's had to register for the DAMN BL.   The part that get's to me is that they had to know when they were posting it that those clans couldnt cb until they had more clan members registered.

+MOD+Saberian

thanks for clearing up the points thing splinter

+MOD+Saberian

Uhh yeah he sorta has a point...

Why did i send out mass emails and bug the hellout of my members if i could just cb with them not being registered?

in that case i have been wasting my time looking for clans that are already signed up into the league... going through each info file... making sure they are all signed up... even helping other clan leaders with signup issues....


and by the way fridge... you should check who your fighting before it happends.

Okay, I really don't think that you should revoke the cb because of their fault, I didn't play in the cb, so I'm not sure if we may have come to an agreement to override the rules and let their members, but no matter the circumstance, it was not our fault, if they played 2 non registered members without telling us that is their fault, don't take our earned points for that, it wasn't an unfair cb, just non registered members must have played in it.

Well Fridge,

the problem is that you guys had to know they wearnt registered.  Instead of doing the right thing by helping them register you just posted it knowing that it was against the rules.  So that is why I hold you guys accountable.  If it was just a mistake then that would be one thing, but you knew that it was illigal for you to post those games when the other clans were not registered with their players.  And also no one would have really checked because we would have accepted it as a legal game cause no one thought that you could get away with that.  The simple fact is that you guys didnt even tell an admin about it, you just posted it.  Knowing that if you did tell an admin, they would have most likely told you to climb a tree and check before you cb, and they definitely would not have counted the cb's in the first place.  I am not posting this to go after SL~, but I am posting it cause it is the fair thing and should be recognized as an issue that needs to be dealt with.  As you can see I have agreed with SL~ on certain issues and havent on others.  But in this case it is a fact that they knew what they were doing when they posted these results, so therefore because of the issue that it is a fact that they knew, then something should be done about this because of the obvious violation o.f DAMN rules of registration.  There is no way SL~ couldnt have known about this when they posted it.  So that is why because of deliberately withholding information about a cb that was played they should be penalized for this to prevent further events that would allow a clan to be dishonest with their postings.  the honor code is the only thing that binds us to our word, and in this case the honor code WAS NOT followed!

Oh, and it wasnt just one cb that was a problem like with |DIK|, there is also another cb with the same issue, it was /GSF/ as well, earning SL~ a combined total of 100 pts.  Which if taken off should put them at least in 3rd place behind BTs.

Srry bro, but it is my responsability as leader of a DAMN BL clan to act in a responsible manner in reporting any incidents that might be deemed as cheating, and this unfortunately is one of them.  It wasnt cheating in the game, but these cb's by any rights should AT LEAST not be counted.  For if you guys had earned them then you should have done the research like all other clans have to do.


+MOD+Saberian

Hey look, it's another issue including SL~ that has been blown way out of proportion!

Ok man, shit happens, I dont' know the details because I didn't confirm either cb or play in the DIK cb, but look:

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?module=showcb&cbID=1021

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?module=showcb&cbID=1025

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?module=showcb&cbID=1042

 http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?module=showcb&cbID=1049

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?module=showcb&cbID=1055

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?module=showcb&cbID=1057

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?module=showcb&cbID=1074

now saberian, isn't it your duty as self appointed enforcer of the fundamental rules and rights of all of the BL ladder to post in outrage against all these cb's and seeking swift immediate action against all clans involved in the above posted links.

Bottom line, shit happens, it's not isolated to us, why is everybody on SL~ so hardcore these days

I just replied to what I saw, I didnt go thru all those, but since you did you have done the job.  So these should be dismissed as well.  I agree to that.  But are you saying cause others did it that it was ure right to do it as well?  so they should be taken off cause the rules were not followed.  If you guys cant follow simple rules then you shouldnt play.  All these people are responsible for signing up.  It's not like nobody knew about it.  All the clans were well aware of what they needed to do.  But if you take offense to what I have done when I saw you guys did it, well, you shouldnt have done it.  You guys, especially the clans leaders should know what needs to be done to register your clan.  If I am right I believe Mauti emailed to all clan leaders what needs to be done to enter your clan into BL.  It wasnt followed, therefore shouldnt count, adn clans posting these results should be dealt with accordingly.

+MOD+Saberian

A follow up on my previous post, okay now, that about 9 cb's with 2 clans in each cb, now almost all of those clans cb'd following those cb's and gained points based on those cb's which determined how many points were gained in other cb's and lost in cb's which then went off to play other ppl with points that were decided by these cb's, don't you see, it's a huge mess, it pretty much effects everybody in the ladder to change them or nullfy them and would have other cb's taken place had those not taken place, say clan a cb'd clan b because clan b had so many points, they worked hard to get them, but clan a received points from one of those many messed up cb's, then clan a no longer had those many points that clan b fought for etc. etc. etc.  It's not a matter that's hurting anybody really so why do we have to get so involved in it when there are so many complications and reprecussions of approaching it as sab wishes.

Fridge, the point is these clans didnt follow up on their shit before they cbed.  It is a fact that all these clans should have had the ample players on before they agreed to a cb of such magnitude.  And if they didnt have their guys online to register then it shouldnt count, period.  people need to follow rules, but you are getting so personally butt-hurt about this.  You did post it knowing it was wrong yet you did so without even batting an eye cause you knew that if you told an afmin they would not count it.  Now, why didnt you talk to an admin if you knew it was wrong.  Yeah, i thought so.  End of story.

+MOD+Saberian

GM vs. Agt clanladder id #1021 = well fridge if you read the psot on here you would realise that they already dealt with this issue of the one member not registering.

Devil Vs. Oz clanladder id #1025 = Well your right on this one, shit, no one signed up on either team

Ghra vs |3ID| clanladder id # 1042= Another cb where no one signed up.  Should not count

[A] vs NBK clanladder id # 1049= As well another clan battle where no one signed up

|NBK| vs |3ID| clanladder id # 1055= yet another game where the clans did not sign up properly

[one] vs |3ID| clanladder id # 1057= another game where no one followed procedure and should not count for this game either.

[one] vs VP clanladder id # 1074 = Yet another game where the opposing clan was not checked out before the cb was cast.

these clans should have followed procedure before cbing a clan that didnt have registered people yet online.  The idea of registration from what I gathered is to make sure that people were supposed to be recorded for the right clan and to make sure of others trying to be in 2 clans at once.  That is why they ask for all the info when you sign in.  If you dont sign in then there is no way to track these issues.  So therefore these cb's shouldnt count either in all fairness, or should be dealt with accordingly.

If these games are allowed to be played as normal then it defeats the purpose of the whole idea of registering.  you might as well not do it, or therefore I shouldnt have spent a Friday getting all my guys setup in registration if we could have played anyway.

+MOD+Saberian

First off, stop using the word, "you" As "I" did not confirm the cb's, secondly yes I am aware of the fact that the clans should have registered, however the magnitude of the problem which would be caused by approaching it as you see fit, seems to outweight the magnitude of the problems with letting them stand.  I'm not just stating this because of SL~ 's involvement in this issue as this will essentially effect almost if not every clans points, and I think these clans that selected a clan to cb based on their rank, and received a hardfought win along with the points to show, only to learn later that the clan they defeated was not truly in the position they thought they were after the modifications and their choice was different from how they would have chosen had they known the result of the modifications beforehand, will be slightly pissed off.

Well, my tact is a bit lacking when it comes to saying my point but my point still stands.  You were saying basically that you did not know till after the cb.  Well, the simple fact is that is why all this info is available for you to use.  So you can check out the clan real quick before you cb them, which was obviously not done.  In either even there are a lot of cb's that were played with non-registered members:

CB#'s: 1077,1074,1072,1070,1057,1055,1049,1042,1041,1025,1021

Now the simple fact of the matter is that these cb's should have been looked into by any of the two clans that were involved but they were not.  It is true that this will be a serious issue to be dealt with and the easiest thing is to just let it go, but the discision needs to be at least made.  I first noticed this issue with SL~ and went off cause I was pissed that many other clans were looking hard, and SL~ was avoiding the issue of one of their cb's being tainted and just said fuck it and posted it anyway.  Well, it seems that mainly 3 clans also had this issue as well with reporting CB's with non-registered members and they should be dealt with as well.  Should people that follow the rules be placed in a situation where they watch people that dont get away with wins that were not even with registered members?  Well,  again, that is up to BL admins to decide that.  I can see how you get pissed about me pointing the finger at you guys, but then again you were the guys that I caught doing it.  That's all, and if you hadnt refused the cb we asked for in the first place earlier today I would have never even looked in the first place, nor been the wiser, but I did, and there it was.  So I had to by right say something about it.  And if they didnt want to do anything about it then I will know.  But it is my right to point out anything that seems suspicious, for I am a player as well in this league, and I have to set an example for the others in my clan that following the rules and not cheating is the only way to play a game.  If others cant handle that then i am sorry, but I am very stern when I say that.  I act on my convictions, and only regret when nothing is learned from it.

+MOD+Saberian


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I find all this somewhat confusing. If there are clans that have broken the BL rules when carrying out cb's the the problems were not rectified or clarified with BL admins... Why the hell should they count? One rule for some of us and another for everyone else?

Why should eight in BTs, or us in MOD or the other clans have to sort out our members, get them regestered, make sure they have regesterd correctly, make sure they are familiar with changes to and modifications to the BL rules.... IF SOME CLANS are just going to ignore it???

Just annoys me a tad

CB # 1021 was dealt w/. DVS was the non registered member who we caught glitching. He came in as a sub for cassoc.  When the cb started every member of both clans in the cb were registered. I did post in the tread about the glitch that DVS was not registered for the BL. It was dealt w/ already!

While we are on the topic of strange irregularities. Can someone enlighten me please. It would apper that differnet clans are playing a different number of games in cb's. for instance:

ID: 1075 BTs v GhRa 8:0:0      - um why continue after 5:0 when GhRa had no way of winning? if u play the full 8 games even though a clan has won, dosnt this just give you more points?

ID: 1036   [one] v [nbk]  6:4:2  - now my maths has never been good. but dosn't 6 plus 4 plus 2 make 12?...... 12? what happend to 8 games and one sudden death should a draw occur? That much have got a lot of points that game... oh yeah it did... 160 points to be precise

Anyone fancy showing me the light please Im somwhat in the dark!

Guys....

It?s a game...please play the game in stead of playing lawyers.
This "Rule-inspection" takes up more time than the games.

Out.

RULE 10 in the Ghost Recon Rules

By default you have to play 8games(4 on each host). In the case of a tie you continue to play on the current host until one clan leads with 1 won game.

We take that as playing all 8 games. no matter what the score. If this is incorrect please clarify BL Admins

First off as the BL rules state you can modify each rule if you both agree to it. If some clans haven't registered all members and agree to play. - It's fine. If you say that after 5 games the other clan can't win anymore you can stop if you both agree to it.

The rules are dynamical they just should point you into one direction but nevertheless you can choose to go on the left or right site of the street. They aren't created to tell you how to breathe and start a game. Just some basic rules if you can't agree with the other clan how to play the cb.

In the case it comes to the finals may this will have consequences because they can only play with members registered at the BL so you could force them to play only with registered players but that's it.

Bye,

Mauti

hey BFG,
it was early in season and both clans didnt know that we could play best of 8... we both agreed to play best of 7 like last season... is that a problem? does it matter how much games u play in a cb? there?s nothing about that in the new combat point system where it says u get more points for more won games in one cb...

[one] Civic.xo

For us,

We are under the impression all 8 games have to be played no matter what.  The first few of our CB's were played the mathematical way, but we noticed all other clans were playing all 8 no matter what the results were.  So do to this, we now play all the games in which we believe are required by the rules.

Hope this helps, or at least helps you understand what we are doing.

ok Mauti, so basically you are saying that registering is pointless and a waste of time till the end of the season, gotcha, I wish you would have said that before this, but fair enough, I can accept that.  It just seemed very odd that most clans had all there members registered, and now you are saying it is meaningless till the end of the season.  I am glad this was explained beforehand because most of us were under the impression that you could not even cb another clan unless the clan members from that clan were registered.  Thanks for clarifying on that beforehand.
   Fridge, now see that wasnt too bad, in the end you got what you wanted, so all ure shit talking was totally unnecessary, but it's nice to know that thruout the whole mess you are completely mature about it lol.  In either event Mauti has basically said that registration dosent mean shit until the end of the season.  So now you can grow the fuck up and stop harassing my players because you are too immature to deal with waiting for a decision.

 
+MOD+Saberian

This is an interesting thread.  I think that Sab has a very good point about clans not registering members to compete on the BL.  What is the point of having cb's with clans that dont have the members listed.  So is it possible to have a clan that has the tag registered but no member registered and cb them?  If this is the case, I can see someone representing 2 clans with 2 different names and essentiall playing a cb that is fraud.  Please correct me if im wrong, im sure it can be done.  

I gather from this post from Mauti that we HAD to register all players:  http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=4796

This also helps to verify who was in the cb.

Sab I never said it is meaningless - I said it is ok if both clans agree to it to play with unregistered players. All in all there is a reason why we have players/clan and further I suggest to play only against players that are registered. First for the stats and second it will be important and necessary if the 1vs1 and FFA ladders are coming and third to prevent clan hopping/switching for cbs.

About the 50pts: the reason why you get so "much"(a 1/6 of the first rank) points if you play a clan that has never played before is that you don't know how good or bad the clan is and may get a high penalty. Further it should encourage to involve all registered clans.

Greetings,

Mauti

Damn good point Diesel.  That was what I had gathered when I signed up my guys for the ladder.  I thought the whole reason for this was to prevent others from playing on 2 teams at once, this way they would have to claim a clan and therefore be subjected to that clan only.  But if this is allowed to happen with clans playing with non-registered members, it kinda defeats the whole point of registration.

I just want to address a few points here...

First off...


Now, I'm not a math major in college, but I do believe that SL~ has mathematically seized control of a disproportionate amount of issues.  Why has this occurred?  Why so many issues with the same clan over and over again.  Is there a leader, or at least an educated spokesperson, for this clan who can post in a logically articulate format?  It's killing me to read posts from every SL~ member on certain issues, which all seem to bring in different information to the subject anyway.  Also, SL~ members, why are you so defensive?  I would figure that after all of the shenanagins and tomfoolery that has transpired would have tipped you guys off to perhaps watching your step a little more.  It's almost as if you seek out confrontation.  And really, you guys need to lighten up in your replys.  You always seem so angry.  It seems that anytime there is an issue with SL~, it is reminiscent of the Chicago slums of the 1930's.  "Oh yeah, you wanna fight? Meet you behind the deli in the alley at 3:00pm, or else!"

Second point...


Magnetic,

     Explain as to how we can simply play the game without any regard to following the rules as closely as we can?  If we just played games without regard, then matters of glitching wouldn't be as big of a deal.  You have to watch you back in games now because younever know what or who has altered game files, or is using a cheat to further themselves as players or further their clan.  Unfortunately, we have to be lawyers at times so as to play a fair game and avoid being taken advantage of.  If anything, these rules are helping the newer clans progress and be a part of the BL.  Without strict adherence to the rules, top clans, or at least members of clans who are dinosaurs, can easily manipulate newer players without any consequence.  If you don't think this is possible, think back to Season 2 and 3 when there were far more rules added.  Games back then were pretty reckless.  There was a plethera of tomfoolery, but there weren't practically no specific rules to prohibit or avoid it.  I'm not bashing you Magnetic, I'm just pointing out that this season will basically be ruled by the rules, and there is nothing we can do about that.

Last point...

I halfway agree with Saberian, in that some action should be taken in matters of CB including unregistered players.  I feel that SL~ should not be held responsible for another clan not registering.  I also feel that the CB should be voided since unregistered players were involved.  If I remember correctly, players are not allowed to CB for a period of 2 weeks if the change clans more than once in a season.  I'm not sure if this is still a rule, but I do remember that any CB's with that invalid player were voided.  Wouldn't be the same thing now?  Both aspects deal with players who should not be CBing, therefore both results should end the same; Voided.  Yeha it sucks that SL~'s time was taken up by playing a CB that will potentially be voided, but if they were concerned about matters such as this, then they should have checked online to see who was eligible and who was not.  Both parties involved are partially to blame since both clans could have checked to see if the CB would have been able to be played or not.  If anything, the clan with the unregistered members should be held responsible if any action is to be taken place.  It is the clan leader's responsibility to make sure their members are registered.  Isn't this one of the reasons for having a designated, registered clan leader?

In closing, I think the idea of having a council makes more sense now.  It would have been able to keep clan leaders and their clans updated on all info and also to keep them in check.  I know the idea of a council was pretty much shot down due to its complex design, but I still feel that the members of this BL should be able to have more say in situations that we experience everyday, rather than being limited to posting our opinion, which is many times overlooked by admins, which the majority do not actively participate in the ladder.  This always reminds me of American politics.  Government vs. the People.  Federally ruled, or State ruled.  State ruled, or County ruled.  County ruled, or City ruled.  City ruled, or Neighborhood ruled.

     .::|N| Noto

I'll drink to that Noto!   ;D

Do we get cheap beer and prostitutes?

in addition to what mauti said, every registered player has access to the Matchlist, and can search/see all data on every match played. I think that counts something.

*DAMN Elandrion

That is a nice feature Elandrion, I am not in any way disputing that point, but what I am referring to is mainly what Mauti all wrote on the discussion that .:N Diesel was so kind to point out.  This was posted by Mauti:

To reactivate your clan please post the clanname and the clanleader name so the BL admins can give you full clan editing rights. Note that the clanleader needs an account at the BL site as well as all clanmembers that want to participate in cbs.

If you never signed up with your clan/or after season 4 was already over please sign up directly at the BL page.

Only one clanleader can be chosen. Once the leader for a clan has been set the related entry will be deleted and when you visit the BL page next time more clan managment controls will be visible for the clan leader as well as waradmins.

Thanks,

Mauti

I bolded the specific line wrote by Mauti on the subject of having the clan leader be accountable for the people that wanted to cb this season for their clan.  This statement made it pretty clear that for any member of a clan to participate in this seasons BL they had to be registered in DAMN BL as a CB player.  This is how many people took this statement, as well as myself.

+MOD+Saberian

The only reason why i referenced that link is because i seriously thought ALL members and clans had to be registered on the BL Ladder.  I, honestly dont think *DAMN Elandrion understands the exampled that i previously posted.  

I agree with most of everything you have said.  SL~ is still rather new, and has stuff to work out so that's my explanation for the unoraganization.  I will work try to work on it.

Now, on to the voiding cb's topic.  Yes, you have good point with voiding cbs.  But in both of the cb's we had with unregisterd opponents, we agreed with the other team to change the rules.  Just as mauti said was allowed.  My feelings on the subject are that we shouldn't be punished on these occasions.  But I do believe that the rules should be changed to not allow unregistered players on the BL, from here on out.  Just as everyone else, I don't want any cheating taking place.

Now all of a sudden Mauti posts and you decided that you changed the rules??!  You should have screenshots incase of these situations.  Can we see the screen shots of both teams agreeing to the rule change since you changed your answer?

Ah yes..the smell of napalm and gunsmoke..wait all summer (*DAMN-less) for the league to start and when it does, we have clan drama already. It's like everyone wants to win but no one can face a loss...I hate to admit it but we sound like a bunch of "bitches" arguein over details. Last year it was DFA and [a] moley now we have SL~ and Fridgerator.

I know we are not all perfect, hell we suck as much as you  reading this post. But I know this and any [one] who has cb'd against us knows as well. When we lose....That's it we lost!! We congratulate the victor, watch replays, see our mistakes and move on... "Glitch this, glitch that"..I know this when clans like c| , BTs, [V], |N| come at you, dont wait in a ditch, cause if i remeber correctly from last season from thos eclans and others like em...Skill will beat a glitch!!!.... Next game, learn from your mistakes, keep your head high!!. You win some, you lose some.....sh@t happens. Hate to be cheesy, but take our motto.....

"To win with humility, to lose with dignity. Strive to be the best, yet admit when we have been defeated. Only then can you understand what it means to be [one]"

I usually dont even reply to these fire breathing forums, but I just want us to live with the cards that are dealt...I hope I did not offend anyone here..Just call it like I see it!!!...Mauti and Elan have worked hard at bringing us a great league....Lets not give em turmoil cause a clan glitchs or cheats or gets the best of ya!!. It's not there fault....In the end its our own!! Mistakes is what loss you the game...BTs last season were always in 2nd or 3rd just under some of the top clans...BUT THERE SKILL IS WHAT WON THEM THE TITLE!!!...THEY OVERCAME OBSTACLES AND PREVAILED!!....

If you think a clan is cheating, SIMPLE!!, Don't cb them!!
Let the dust settle and the true soilders will survive....

Don't hate, participate!!!

Hope I did not offend anyone...If I did shoot me!!..on the battlefield. Cause [one] dont fight with flame wars....I use a M-136 or a claymore!!

All haile the Mac Gamming Community!! Tom Clancy for Governer of California!! Not Terminator!! There is my 2 cents!! Enjoy!!

OK Im startin to sound like a school counselor.....I'll Stop!!
In closing I quote the great one......

"Therefore the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him."
-SunTzu- The Art Of War -




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Oh Yeah .....Think Different!!

Rev I appreciate the post but this matter we moved into on this thread is actually very relative and important for the BL.  If you read everything then im sure you may agree.  I dont feel this thread is meaningless bitching for once.

As well to add to Diesel's point, how come you are speaking for this issue when it was Dark Doom that was the one that posted the disputed CB's.  Plus isnt Dark Doom ure leader in this clan?  Shouldnt he be the one defending ure scenario instead of a member of SL~ that isnt even a higher ranking member within their clan, nor wasnt even part of the cb's in question?  I only say that mainly because Dark Doom is not only the leader of SL~ but he is also the one that posted both of those cb's in question.

Now if they were to count your cb's and not anyone elses from here on, it would be pointless to do so because you have just gotten away with not following the rules, which in turn would be pointless.  I might have been harsh on my first few posts about banning the clans and whatnot but I do believe that the cb's should not count for the rules that were stated by Mauti in his post were not followed.  It is the responsability of the clan leader to make sure that the rules are adheared to, and if the clan leader is the one that makes the problem, then the only logical option is to eliminate the problem, therefore in this case taking out the cb's in question because of lack of research that was done by the leader and members of SL~ and the participating clans within those cb's in question.  So by letting you guys slide with this issue dosent solve anything, for it has happened, and you were called on it.  Therefore these cb's should not count on the basis that the rules were not followed.  

I know that those 5-1 victories that you got were very very hard for you to do.  So I can understand how you can be upset about cbing someone and not getting the wins.  But the problem is that the proper research from your clan and leader was not followed, and therefore I dont see how you should get these wins if you guys did not follow the simple procedure that every clan was supposed to adhere to from the beginning of season 5.  Even though they were not registered on the other clan, you could have stepped up and asked them to register before you cbed them, but again, this protocol wasnt followed.

So this includes all cb's that were not played with registered players.  I am not just stepping on SL~ but also the other cb's that SL~ Fridge was so clear to point out as well, which in fact, are listed in the above posts.  Except for the few that were already dealt with on the issue those other cb's should be taken out as well from the record.  So SL~ can literally blame me for thier inconsistancies in following thru with their research but I believe it was the right thing to do to point these scenarios out as I have listed above.  

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And as for Revolts comment, I also agree with what you say, it makes sense and I wish that we didnt have to deal with that type of stuff, but again this issue isnt on the basis of a game cheat, hence, the reason for BL rules ver 1.8.  This is on the idea of clans not doing their part to ensure that this league stays afloat with minimal problems.  Normally I try to stay clear of most issues, especially when i am not involved, but this one has to be addressed, especially since we are using a new method of scoring for this season.  So i do believe that this topic, as well, has relevance for the safe playing and Cbing in season 5.

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jesus christ, play the game guys, this is a minor deal, you spend more time on forums trying to take points with words than you do in gr trying to earn points by playing, wake up saberian, you're such a loser.

Yo...friends of the DAMN BL ladder!!
Sorry if it sounded like i was disregarding the topic.
I just started readin some posts and this one got the
Sunday Mornin Sermon from the Reverand...

Im sure the point is valid, no offense in those who write novels here....
but if any of you ditch glitch me!!....or if SL~ shoots me from across the map!!

I'll simply gouge out there eyes and skull f#@k em!!

Then Ill have a beer and forget it happened!!(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/uzi.gif)

ok firstly, [one] appologies if it appeard that i was inplying or suggesting somthing from my post. It was purly and simpy a qustion due to to lack of knowlege on my part. In no way was i trying to suggest that you had maniupulated etc or othewise taken advantage of the rules. Please accept appology if it appeared so however.

I do find it however, rather diffiuclt how the rules seem to be so ridged at times, and yet so flexible. Had MOD known that ... "ah well it don't really matter if your regestered right now" then we would have approached things differently. If some rule are going to be so transparent.. how are clans going to differentiate betweent those that are flexiblea nd those that are riged?
I would just like to ask DAMN to clarify that the rules that they have posted are actually the rules, and that if clans find issues' with a lack of participation within the rules guidlines, then the "oh well it don't really matter" ideology will be not used.

u put the rules there for a reason i guess.. why can't people actually play by them? IF people are going to be allowed to bend the rules so blatenly what is the point in u wasting your time writing them in the first place?

I love the way people say "oh man its just a game etc" lol of course it is. we arn't stupid (well i dunno about some guys") of course its a freaking game. But incase people havn't realised DAMN (as far as im aware) put rules in place for a reason. If Clan leaders can't be assed to read the rules and be aware of the constraints and guidlines in which they are able to participate within the DAMN Bl then as far as im concered they can go **** play somwhere else rather than talk shite on the bl forum about people who acutally pick up when BLATELY BL RULES HAVE BEEN IGNORED. Do people really think that the DAMN guy constructed the BL rules just for fun, for a laugh, to waste some time? For christs sake.

RULE 30: All rules can be modified if both clans agree to it.

And since both of the clans agreed to modify RULE 2 of the battleleage, no rules were broken in accordance with rule 30.  

See here we go again, Fridge with his I dont care, it's just a game policy, then he pulls something out of his arse like this rule 30.  The point is fridge, that this particular rule was to be done before any cbing started when it comes to registration.  Not in, or during a game.  As for BL rules, well, that is fine, but as for the idea of making sure the clans are registered BEFORE you start the cb.  Well, again that is another issue.  It seems that you Fridge, with your it's just a game attitude, seem to be missing the point of this.  Ya see, this wasnt something you guys just agreed to before the game, and if you are going with that premise, then I got some nice saved copies of the conversation you had earlier saying that you knew it was wrong and it was a mistake for you to do that.  Of course I did tell your buddy Vectorman that I was gonna save this conversation with you and him last night just in case there was any mis-representation to be said in here.  Well, the whole point of this is that you knew it was wrong, yet you still did it anyway.  And since you brought up the other CB's to try and thwart our supposed cause to extradite you from BL we have also mentioned that in the act of fairness, that those games should be taken off as well.  I am sure exceptions can be made for certain situations, but in your case this has gone way farther then just posting it without realising that you might be breaking a rule.

Now, how about we hear from that fearless leader of yours instead of your whiny ass.  Cause unless you have something to back up your claim, and since you only participated in one of the cb's mentioned, I suggest you sit, have a coke, smile, and STFU.

It's nice to know that you have a freaking 12 year old running the clan, and at the same time he cant even post his own thoughts here.  And if you are doing the thinking for him, then we can all say this puppet show should end.

+MOD+Saberian

Saberian, I have nothing to back me up eh? Well actually, that's where you're wrong dipshit, I have Mauti's ruling on this issue on my side on this one, who agreed that any rule including that one could be over ridden so drop the issue, YOU LOSE.

  As for yesterday when I said it was wrong it was a move to make you shut the fuck up, I wasn't even in the DIK cb and not present on gr, I just found out today that they agreed before the game as well.

Fridge, u are like talking to a man with no head and two fat man's asses.  It seems the only thing that comes out of ure face is ass air.  You just dont get it, do ya.  You seem to contradict yourself more then anyone that I know, but again, it just shows how completely retarded you are.  In either event my issue is with your leader, not some peon of a 12 year old.  LOL

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At this point in time, I am so sick of this BS, that I could care less if we get losses I don't think we deserve.  And no diesel, I attempted discussing the changing the rules topic with sab last night, before mauti made the post.  But as I said, it's gone beyond me caring.

Diesel what are you talking about!? I never changed any statement or rule. It is up to the community to follow and enforce the registered players only rule. If you agree with another clan to change it I won't do something against it as I never did since the begin of the BL in the year 2000. I really don't understand your problems Sab, Noto, Diesel and others.

Could you please enlighten me whats your problem and your concerns!??

Well Mauti, I think the issue is that when you made this statement before that Diesel mentioned, we all took it as you cannot cb unless all the members of your team were to be added and registered as well.  The whole idea when we talked about it in the forums was on the basis that this registration was being done, not just for the finals but thruout the entire season.  Otherwise there really is no particular point to why you would have made that statement otherwise.  Maybe the post should be gone over because all of the clans from last season mainly got the idea that you had to have all of your guys registered before you can play.  At least you made it sound that way with this sentence:

Note that the clanleader needs an account at the BL site as well as all clanmembers that want to participate in cbs

That is where this whole problem came up.  Another thing is that why even have registration and ask us all this personal stuff about our GRid# and whatnot if it wasnt meant to keep people from clan jumping.  I thought that was originally why this whole mess started.  In either event I am definitely not the first and only person that thought that all members that were to participate in this seasons CB season had to have been registered, otherwise what is the point of even registering?

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I think the "problem", Mauti, is that we do not understand the reason for registering on the BL if it doesn't matter.  If it is up to the community to follow and enforce the registered players only rule, then I vote to disregard the registered players rule altogether.  Rules are only rules if they are enforced by the person or persons making the rules.  I think a lot of the issues folks have been having, including myself, is that many of the rules are merely guidelines.  Can you clarify which rules are actual rules; rules that cannot be changed, even with both clans agreeing?  Can you also clarify which rules are guidelines; 'rules' that can be changed as long as both clans agree on them?  I could agree all day with another clan that Assassination is okay for our CB, but does that mean we can play Assassination?  I remember all of the issues this summer about introducing Warzone.  I really don't see what the big deal was now because it seems that all along we could have played it, as long as both clans agreed to it.

I don't want to give off the impression that I, or anyone else here, is ungrateful for what you have given us Mauti, but if you say something is a rule, but then say people can break it as long as they agree to it, members of this BL are going to have a problem with that.  My personal view is that there is too much grey (gray for the western US folks) area.  I think I can vouch for everyone here that is registered, and unregisterd, that we want something concrete; black & white.

So, Mauti, hopefully you now understand my problem.

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Very well put Noto,

That is definitely the main issue here is what is a rule and what isnt.   You do state the issue very very well.  Thank you for making that point cause I would not have thought of the words to make it so understandable.

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Alright and I can only say it was meant to be a rule even for the mainseason - and yes all clanmembers should(must) register in my opinion but if you Noto or Sab challenge another clan and look if all of their players are registered and see that they aren't and you nevertheless play the cb because you say it doesn't matter I won't penalty you - that's my point. Most clans play with registered players and that's fine simply because of some security(GR-ID and I have a valid email address that I could access in issues).

I won't play against unregistered clan members and so should every clan but may I'm gonna change rule 30 to "only game specific rules can be changed if both clans agree to it" to make this more clear.

Bye,

Mauti

Thanks for the clarification Mauti.  I don't mean to be a pain in the ass... much. ;)

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