*DAMN R6 Forum

erm...Dr....i got screenshots from a guy saying something tottaly different of your attitude

 The fact that im learning about this rampant cheating in the GhR-GR gaming community quite frankily disgusts me.  I think clanned cheaters should be ostracized and sequestered from the *DAMN ladder, ARGH! this is really pathetic...!
 These cheats are detrimental to the positive gaming community we have here, and I am also somewhat dubious on why anyone would want to friviously cheat just to win?  I don't know, maybe im exacerbating the situation...but from what Im hearing with glitching, glass wall cheat, NV Cheat, etc,  basically its just ruining the fun for those that really enjoy the game.
 Cheaters they come and go perceptively, because they get bored, but I and many other familiar names have been playing since the demo, it would be a shame not to see these skilled players again :(

  ::)

Well to awnser Assassin's question to weather or not those cheats he mentioned were on the mac.  The awnser is yes.  It seems that one of my guys was in the |n| server a few days ago and was astranged that people were killing him from a serious distance.  One of the |n| guys replied that he was using a cheat, and since all the other clans did he could as well.  My guy should have got the SS of the conversation but did not.  Anyway, after the game he gave the website to my guy on how to get them.
    This is the site where many of these people are getting these stupid ass cheats.  It seems that there have been clans that have been using these damn cheats to win cb's.  Hmmm. Well, anyway, these are PC versions of the cheats but can be easily converted to Macintosh gaming, which it seems that many of the |n| players already have.  Either way I am disgusted by all this cheating for a game that should be mainly based on skill. As you can see the flourescant client cheat, the NV client cheat, the glass wall cheat, and the distance cheat are all here for the taking.  Plus there is also a cheat that allows the player using them to turn the cheats on and off within the game (thru the windows useage of the game) so that they dont have to swap files over and over again.  I would post the site but it would allow more people to have access to these cheats, and that is not my intention.  Although if an administrator wants the site for proof or prevention, let me know.  
    This whole cheating thing has gone way out of hand.  This season is pretty much a sham because of it.  For all the clans that didnt use cheats to get their wins I am sorry that these cheats that are out there have to cheapen their experience.   But for those clans that do use cheats, and ya know who you are, you guys should be ashamed of yourselves for ruining the BL experience for everyone else. =(  No one should go that far as to cheat to win.  So I do hope that Scott comes out with this anti-cheat thing of his, cause Ghost Recon is too tainted with cheats as it is, and until something comes out, the game will not be fairly playable =(

+MOD+Saberian

     WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!  Hey there Saberian.  I know I have yet to respond to your generous e-mail, which will be in the mail before the weekend, but we obviously need to sit down and "talk".  I was appalled to learn from one of the members of |n| that there was a post regarding our clan using cheats.  I was even more appalled to learn that it was from you, and after reading it, was even more appalled to find that your post was riddled with hearsay and tomfoolery.  

     Your post about |n| using cheats is constructed on baseless information in a 3rd grade form of "he said, she said" nonsense.  The reason why I post this response in a public forum is to defend |n|'s reputation and to let others who post and/or frequent the forum in a reading or browsing capacity, that it is not okay to slander other clans.  By the way, Mauti, the last time I read so much bitching, moaning, and whining on a public forum was on a high school marching band website in which a certain girl lost the drum major position to the teacher's pet.  My God, the travesty!!!  There is just way too much overall slander on this forum.  I think some rules of forum etiquette need to accompany the Battle League rules.  

     Getting backed to the accusations, I will admit that many times in the server that I host (not Server One), I will joke around with people and claim to be using cheats.  I know sometimes someone will ask how I got somewhere on the map so fast.  I simply reply, "oh, it's a cheat...I'm walking through the walls and/or flying over the buildings."  I say these things because I feel that a stupid question deserves a completely retarded answer.  Saberian, if one of your boys claims that |n| member was claiming to use cheats, it was most likely me.  If it was not me, it was probably one of the other members just taking after what I had been saying before.  I constantly prey upon peoples fears while playing GhR.  It's fun.  When people ask how I was able to shoot them from so far away, I state that it wasn't me that shot them, but my brand new AIMBOT.  Think about this, if |n| was using cheats, do you think we would tell everyone?  I don't think so.  The only facts as of yet is that you have recklessly slandered |n| with accusations of using cheats, and that an |n| member said he was using a cheat.  If someone says an |n| member said that, it's probably true that they said that, but it is only sarcasm pouring out of their natural-sunlight deprived bodies, not because they are actually cheating.  

    As far as I am aware, not a single PC cheat has been ported for Mac use, and I am thankful for that.  One of the main reasons why I was sick of playing PC games was due to the fact that everyone was using cheats, and using them all of the time.  If there are "cheats" being used in the Mac version, it's most likely that the "cheater" has changed something in their options.xml file, or has removed files in the game date.

     In closing, I hope that this post finds everyone in good health and hopefully in a good state of mind.  This post was written solely by myself, in which all replies should be directed towards myself, and not the other members of The Network |n|.  To note, I hereforth refrain from joking about cheats, where this might lead to confusion to folks who do not know me well enough to know that I am obviously joking.  Again, Saberian, you should be receiving an e-mail from me shortly in response to the one I received earlier this week from you.  Also, I hope that you do not think I'm bashing you or +MOD+, I just think the "Mac Ghost Recon Witch Hunt" has gone a little too far, and we are all guilty of lighting the flame.  And for all others who wish to accuse anyone of anything, if you wish to publicly accuse others, then give public acccess to everyone of all of the evidence.  If this cannot be done, please be more discreet in your accusations and limit them to the moderators of the *DAMN Battle League and/or the accused.

Thank you all for your time in reading this, and I do apologize for the length of this post.

---Chris Noto   a.k.a.  |n|`Noto

     

WELL SAID NOTO

This post is in response to the Mr cool Sab from MOD.

Your player that recieved information about the cheat that you are refering to is a strong is sign of being naive.   I was the one joking with him about being killed first hand.  Since we were on Ghost town and i shot him he wondered why he was shot.  I told him that we we using some mod [fuckin around] called the "SEE FAR MOD."  I, also, told him that you can get this mod from www.ilovetocheat.com.  

This is the type of shit is the problem with clan leaders that think they earned all this respect in the BL just because they are running some clan.  If anything SAB, I would expect you to try to back this up rather than posting ur nonesense on the forum.  

Next time you want to vent; Instead of being the forum whore that you are- CB US!

_D

Yeah Diesel.  It makes sense that you were the one.  the simple fact is that first off you shouldnt be opening ure mouth and telling other players of cheat pages on the website,  especially if you are so called against the shit.  Second off, it sounds l.ike u are trying to cover one lie with another.  It's not like you havent tried to weasel your way thru a problem like this before, so plz dont try and deny it or make up soe excuse for ure big mouth.  I reported this because it is people like u that give BL such headaches when it comes to this shit.  If ya dont get it, talk to Mauti about it.  I gave him the site u referred to which is not posted above cause I am not stupid enough to give people the means to make cheats.  
     Talk about clan leaders.  At least our clan is stable enough not to change names 3 times in one season just so u can get into the finals.  If there is people in ure clan that dont use the cheat then I do not refer to them.  The simple fact is that my guy dosen't have one reason to lie about it.  First off, he didnt even know about the issues our two clans had first off.  Second, he is one of those guys that just says it how it is.  So when my guy tells me about this I am quite appalled of the whole situation.  
     You want to be a good clan leader, try this.  First off dont open ure mouth and act like a freaking idiot if ya dont want to get called on it.  Second off, dont supply people with cheat web pages.  It diminishes game play for others and is very unprofessional.

  Noto,

  I can understand that you want to stand up for ure clan.  an admirable thing.  The simple fact in this problem is that Diesel already admitted to opening his mouth about it.  Now weather he was joiking or not is not the issue.  He gave info about a webpage that contained cheats for the PC that can be easily changed to Mac format.  These were not just Server side cheats that everyone uses but (Client side) cheats.  to be honest I was pretty ignorant about these client side cheats.  I was not aware that they were out for the mac till I saw this webpage that Diesel blurted out to one of my guys.  Now knowing that the infor he gave my guy was completely accurate, why should I not believe that he believed what he was saying.  Or does Diesel always open his mouth about webpages to everyone on client side cheats.  Either way if he is ure leader of the clan it is pretty disgusting that you would just let info like that out for everyone.  He should have notified Mauti that he knows of it and tried to prevent that page from being known about.  What Diesel did was not responsible, so therefore i would have to assume that since he is not responsible then the rest of his clan must know about this as well.  
    I was almost going to retract the statement cause it is true my guy did not get a SS of the situation, but now that Diesel admitted it, i really have no choice but to believe what I heard.
    Noto, even though you have been caught impersonating our guys on GR, it seems that you are the most responsible for ure clan.  For that I do apologize to you about this stuff, but I am just sick of people getting away with cheats.
    And dont tell me u guys havent tried to catch people on cheats cause you have recently.  So if ya dont want people using them, tell Diesel to shut his mouth and stop telling people about them.  I am sure you Noto wouldnt say anything if you were using them, but Diesel loves to open his mouth and either be a smartass or a complete idiot.  Hell, or maybe both.  In either way, that isnt a responsible leader of a clan sorry to say.

I was there when Diesel was joking around on Ghosttown, claiming to be using the "See Far" mod.  This was directed at a couple of noobs...and was generally met with laughter by all of us who know better.  The website that Diesel posted doesnt even exist! It was all a joke directed at a noob. What website were you informed of Sab??  Because it surely wasnt the false one that Diesel mentioned.  These false accusations are rather disturbing.  As far as I'm concerned you don't know jack because you werent even there.  

I was almost going to retract the statement cause it is true my guy did not get a SS of the situation, but now that Diesel admitted it, i really have no choice but to believe what I heard.

The only thing that Diesel admitted to was leading a noob on with a cheat and cheat website that doesn't exist.  I guess you had to be there....fun was had by all,  'cept by your uppity clan member who was nothing but rude from the minute he joined up on |n| Server One and until he left.  Whos to say he didnt embellish the information he heard??  But I'm not gonna make such accusations.  This cycle of accusations can go on and on.  I'm sure both our clans have better things to do than point fingers. CB?

Respectfully,

|n|`juGGla

You guys are funny.  

I hope, bottom line, we're all workin together to stabilize the Mac GhR gaming community.  

Sab, the season hasn't been massively tarnished, hardly, maybe some added drama.  I'm overly pleased with the steps that have been taken, open dialogue, and changes that are on the way.  And we all still have FINALS to square everything away.  Looking forward to that.

I wish the best of luck and many thanks (bows*) to those working on the Anti-Cheat Plug-in.  

sinceres,

c| Ssick

All I got to say is that anyone who gets their kicks by cheating in a freaking video game is a loser.

..that is all.

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Noto..    Your a Lying sack of sarcasm!!!

     I have a lot of respect for the Network after reading this thread. You guys' posts were intelligent, calm, and reasonable, and I applaud you for it. It's been a pleasure reading them. Saberian, on the other hand, you look like a fool.

Loth, what about me?

You think I look like a Fool Too?  ???

Or a cool guy?  8)

I agree Dr. No and, on behalf of the Network, I apologize for the direction this thread may have taken.  Hope this thread can now get refocused onto creating an anti-cheat mod.

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Wow, I had no idea how pervasive the cheats were until I read this thread.
It certainly does explain a lot about why certain clans are winning.

To me , there should be no question that if a clan is caught cheating in a cb they should be stricken from the BL, and the ladder for the rest of the season, and not allowed to join different clans or create a new clan.
Somehow we need to keep a listing of ip's and Ethernet addys.

Thats the only way to stop this. It is indeed throwing the whole season into question and taking up way too much time and energy.

There is one noobish clan that is much higher on the ladder than you would expect and it is becoming clear that they have server sider mods because they refuse to cb on any server but thier own and especially perfer ip joins.

Ask any [one] who im refering to, cuz i dont wanna put it in writing here.

Such a shame...We will all spend more time trying to find cheaters than we will actually playing a cb.

Wow is right! You accuse people of cheating when you have no right or evidence. Thanks for your comments. I guess when you win you have no skill, its all cheaters who win.....
Well thanks for that well founded comment, I hope I get the chance to cb you again.

BTW, I dont cheat, but thanks for your opinion.....

This is looking like the red scare,
Every single clan thats been really active in cbing, mod, dea, n, dfa, ect has a flamewar going about cheating issues. I don't know why it is, maybe its just growing pains for the GHR community, but i don't remember this happening in RS. I'm almost happy MP hasn't been very active so far this season.
In the last cb with BTs there was an issue of someone getting stuck and we lost a game. But rather than cry and bitch about it on the forum, we accepted that BTs played a great cb, and let it go. It seems like to many of you are using cheattests, and glitches as scapegoats for losing a cb, or trying to get an easy 6-0 win.

Its not the cheating that scares me, its all the bitching you people do.

     I am writing this online to personally apologize to |n| for accusing them of cheating in any way without the proof to back it up.  It was wrong of me, and so talking to Noto from |n|, who is a very good spokesman, has assured me that cheating was not occurring in any way that I am aware of with the Network or |n|.  It pleases me to see how honerable a person |n| noto is for trying to work out our problems between our clans and I as well as every member of my clan +MOD+ appreciate the time he took out to hash our problems out.  
     When I wrote this I was under the assumption that they had admitted to cheating when they talked to my guy in and out of the game.  They were most likely kidding around, but my guy, not knowing them personally did not take it that way.  So we apologize for our misconception of the circumstances and wish to stop the flame wars with |n| all-together.  From this point on the flame wars with our clans will stop.  

+MOD+Saberian.CBl

To Saberian, members of +MOD+, and others who have been affected by any and all posts, and or comments made by myself or any other member of |n|`The Network,

     I appreciate the way in which Saberian handled this situation.  We talked tonight and sorted out a ton of +MOD+/|n| issues.  What was said is now said and done, and there is no reason to post the contents of our conversation here, but only to post the fact that these two clans do respect one another.  I know that all of the members of |n| will "keep their houses clean" before reacting to other's posts and comments.  Furthermore, I apologize for any actions, comments, and posts that were not received well, which were made by any and all members of |n|`The Network.

     Happy gaming to all, and remember, it's just a game.

---|n|`Noto

Weeeeeee, I feel the love....Do you?  :D

I feel sick  :-X

I don't know how I missed this thread, but I was playing in the n| server when the alleged events occurred.  My impression was that Diesel was merely beiing completely sarcastic when he claimed to have the "SEE FAR MOD".  I thought it was funny as hell and entered the appropriate "lol".  It had never crossed my mind that he could serious--until I read this thread--jk.  I just wish I could have realized this was turning into such a big deal so I could have posted sooner.  Rock on--I look forward to killing you all,

             +MOD+STuRM :P