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Title: Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Ghoul on May 13, 2003, 09:40:06 pm
Dudes , when I kill you, take it like a man instead of wrongly accusing me of camping.

The only way to keep me from killing you, it seems, is to ban me from your game.

Well, thats one way to eliminate competition. ::)


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Supernatural Pie on May 13, 2003, 11:41:26 pm
I got banned from N's server for using a sniper rifle on Red Square...


OH NO NOT THAT... WHAT WAS I THINKING?!
 :o


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Snipes on May 13, 2003, 11:50:27 pm
Are you talking about RS or GHR? I have never seen you in RS game rooms, unless your new or somthin..


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Supernatural Pie on May 14, 2003, 12:10:52 am
[sarcasm] Well gee....
This is a toughy....

Considering N and BTs are almost entirely ghr clans...
Hmm... i'm just not sure.
[/sarcasm]


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: kami on May 14, 2003, 03:02:30 pm
Once again you baffle me with your stupidity Snipey, if you had actually read both Ghoul and Snipe's posts you'd have understood that it was about GhR... oh wait, maybe you're too dumb to understand 2+2..

Anyway, Ns server seems lame, I hate hosts like that.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Toxic::Joka on May 14, 2003, 03:55:14 pm
BTs_FahQ2?: hey
BTs_FahQ2?: were you playing with us yesterday
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: hmm
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: one game
BTs_FahQ2?: with that one ghoul guy
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: then my dad wanted the comp in a hurry
BTs_FahQ2?: he made some funny ass post about us
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: where?
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: in the game?
BTs_FahQ2?: damn website
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: show me
BTs_FahQ2?: called us whiners
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: heheh
BTs_FahQ2?: we were kicking his ass so he was camping
BTs_FahQ2?: we told him not too and he got pissed
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: lol
BTs_FahQ2?: http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=4106
....
BTs_FahQ2?: did you read it?
*** BTs_JokaKutiHuti is thinking of some smart ass thing to post about ghoul
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: yea
BTs_FahQ2?: i don't have an account
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: you dont ned one..i think?
BTs_FahQ2?: put "in order for there to be competition, you have to move around and play the game"
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: lol
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: yea
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: oh wait
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: i wasent there so i better not say that
BTs_FahQ2?: lol
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: =)
BTs_FahQ2?: yeah, i am sure 8 wil post something
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: il beat him too it
BTs_JokaKutiHuti: want to hit him with my sarcasm first

This seemed like a good idea first, but im regreting it now. Should I even post this...
>:(

anyway got my first post on the DAMN forum ;)


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Nova on May 14, 2003, 04:12:32 pm
joka, u really think this post wqas necessary??!??!?

i dont like this ghoul guy too, coz hes a little whining bitch, but u shoulnd post that here!!

just let him post his shit........
be blamed me camper, when i was waiting for a guy passing a corner, while i saw him all the time on my map.....

ghoul is just not able to looooooose!!!
thats why he`s posting this shit here......

btw joka: it doesnt cast a positive light on us if u post this privat stuff here!!


Title: Re:Bts & MP can't stand being killed
Post by: Dumbass on May 14, 2003, 07:04:56 pm
Try doing nothing and get baned SNiPE.. so many dumbasses out their


Title: cooler heads
Post by: Ghoul on May 14, 2003, 07:47:28 pm
Ok, First of all, this wasnt the right forum.

Second. I shouldnt have posted at all cuz whiners always come off like assholes.

Third. I wasnt camping, and I wasnt losing.! hehehe
I just dont like getting booted for no reason, and I got all hotheaded.

I wish I could just delete this thread, but I cant so Im as succeptable to the heat of anger as the next GR addict.

peace all.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BTs_eight on May 14, 2003, 09:53:11 pm
First off... You wern't banned for no reason...

I had many reasons...

First you was camping...

We were playing random teams so you had bts an n guys on your side. It's not a question of you beating BTs or n guys...

It all comes down to YOU WASTING EVERYONES TIME!
Ok so you got 3 kills in 1 game... (DUE TO CAMPING IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BATTLEFIELD)

That was not your first warning on camping when you did this...

You were averging about 1 kill per game...  AND EVERYONE WAS ASKING YOU NOT TO CAMP!

When asked to stop camping (and wasting peoples time) You became very rude and then TRIED to tk me (if you were a better shot i bet you could of hit me)

So you were banned on CAMPING also trying to TK the host (STUPID) and then just being a stupid moron.

After you were banned you then proceeded to tell hellbent if i have any problems to come see you in a CB.

Ghoul Buddy pal.... WE HAVE BEEN ASKING [one] FOR A CB SINCE BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED.

I REMEMBER ASKING REVOLT TO CB US THE FIRST DAY OF THE SEASON!

SO if you have any problems come and settle it and bring your boys....

If you have a problem being banned from my server DONT FUCKING JOIN!

simple aint it? We don't like campers on BTs servers!


Hey one more thing... How far did you get in the game? the 1 player game in ghost recon? I am sure your great camping skills helped you finish the game... since the enemy came to u right?

Get some skills! AND PLAY THE GAME LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED!


and last for the record... IT WASNT JUST BTS AND n GUYS WHO CALLED YOU A CAMPER! IT WAS ALL OF US ONTHE SERVER ALL 12 OF US! GOT IT?


Bah CB US! IF YOU GOT BEEF FOOL!


Title: Ok, so now everyone can see what an ass you are.
Post by: ghoul on May 14, 2003, 10:10:35 pm
Dude, get over yourself.

If stopping to line up a shot is campimg, then I camped... Three times.
I was trying to say peace yall, but man if you wanna get all nasty just stay out of my space. I dont have room for it.

I hope to enjoy our cb as the fun it should be.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BTs_eight on May 14, 2003, 10:29:11 pm
Dudes , when I kill you, take it like a man instead of wrongly accusing me of camping.

The only way to keep me from killing you, it seems, is to ban me from your game.

Well, thats one way to eliminate competition. ::)

Thats a good way to make peace...

"YEAH IM TO GOOD THATS WHY U BANNED ME" while your at it... Maybe you should make some hallmark cards too...


Title: Get over it
Post by: ghoul on May 14, 2003, 10:37:03 pm
Dude,

Im sure in the real world we would get along just fine, so im trying to see the better part of your nature.
Lets enjoy a good cb, and whoever loses can just claim the other one was camping! lol


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: .::|N| DIESEL on May 14, 2003, 10:40:29 pm
Well-  I never knew that this was such an issue.  I think its funny how Ghoul took all of this way out of line.

There is one simple rule:  DONT CAMP.

Also, I think if Ghoul wants to talk shit about cbing then he should drop me a line cause Im sure the Network will cb them anytime.

_D


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Ghoul on May 14, 2003, 11:06:34 pm
Ya, that'll be fun.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: kami on May 16, 2003, 03:22:53 am
Guys, eat shit and die.

Admin, lock this thread or something, it's just lame.


Title: live and learn
Post by: AK_Rap1d on May 16, 2003, 10:33:40 am
Kami, how bout you just ignore it, rather than have it catered to your liking.  :o

I mean, do you have to comment on everything with pointless crap?   Guess your post count is everything that matters to you, which is why you post so much nonsense.  And I'm responding to you, since you been nothing but a jackass to me in these forums from posts I've been reading of yours.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Saberian 3000 on May 16, 2003, 07:09:58 pm
 I have never had a problem with BTs server for being kicked but I acan say hte |n| server is always crap.  Some of my guys have gone in there while especially Diesel was in and if Diesel was doing well everything was ok with his usual ranting and raving and talking his trash, when one of our guys does well and talks the talk Disel get's pissed and boots his ass.  So with |n| based on the evidence I can agree cause I have had 4 of my guys booted cause he cant take it.  With BTs, yes it is true that when you are in one of their servers they dont appreciate camping, cause it just takes up too much of the game.  And usually they will warn u before booting you to not doing something.  With |n| all they do is talk thru their ass then boot ya for no reason.  
   I also agree that in real life you could probably get along with some of the guys in BTs, but |n| lol.  No fucking way.  If Diesel is a whiny ass bitch in the game, just imagine what he is like in real life.  People say that you are different online then you are in the real world, but I have found out that most people are exactly how they are online then in the real world.  I mean why would you change ureself when all ya have to do is say u dont know me, like I am sure Diesel does.  Diesel lis a child, just like when he was imitating our clan and myself telling some of my members that I fired them from the clan.  He has no reall balls, so he does mean ass shit like that because it makes him feel important.  So ghoul I wouldnt worry about |n|, just dont play in their server cause if it's full of whiny bitches like Diesel then it probably isnt owrth it to waste you're time.  But with Bts just listen to what Eight has to say because he usually says it as a calm person before he get's pissed and boots ya.  
   It's just like how Diesel got pissed at Ace for banning 4rcher in |n| from playing on the MP server.  He might have been messing around with Ace when he was saying that he was trying to hack into the MP server but Ace didnt take it as such cause there was someone trying to mess with his server so he banned him.  Instead of Diesel trying to reasonably talk to him he just throws a serious fit and bitches saying that if 4rcher is banned then ya might as well bann him too lol.  All he had to do was calmly discuss with Ace what was up but he couldnt stop himself from looking like a complete ass.  Ya see, that is Diesel, ya wouldnt see a BTs guy throwing a fit like that except maybe Dragon heh, and even he wouldnt be such a whiny bitch about something like that that he would have a temper tantrem online  in an open forum like Diesel does lol.  I wish I SS'ed that moment, funny shit.  
   To end this with BTs just make sure you dont play sniper in their game when it comes to that cause they might constrew taht as camping as well.  And just stay away from |n| server cause yu are correct about them.



Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: c| Dr. NO on May 17, 2003, 08:51:01 pm
Well i think this post is a buncha bs, but anyway i guess i'ma tard aswell for posting in here.  Anyway, i have never had a problem with |n| or Bts and we kick their asses all the time haha guys jk =P.  Also i talk to them all on netfone and their good guys, no bitching going on there, just good times with cyber buddys.  As far as "camping" goes, you all have to drop this.  Camping will always happen, unless a rule comes out about camping (which it never will or i'll find another BL to play on) there will always be camping.  Think about it guys, you've camped at some point in a battle (camping can be called a tactic), i know i have...mind you not the whole game, but i have "camped out" in a cb before.  I've fought almost all of you and i know you have to, so i say we all shut up about it and bitch to our self...damn cyber drama.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Narauko on May 17, 2003, 09:24:42 pm
OK, Camping is only a tactic in CB's from my point of view.

In normal games NOONE should camp theres no reason to, unless SIEGE is the game.

NARK!


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Jeb on May 18, 2003, 03:43:42 am

   It's just like how Diesel got pissed at Ace for banning 4rcher in |n| from playing on the MP server.  He might have been messing around with Ace when he was saying that he was trying to hack into the MP server but Ace didnt take it as such cause there was someone trying to mess with his server so he banned him.  Instead of Diesel trying to reasonably talk to him he just throws a serious fit and bitches saying that if 4rcher is banned then ya might as well bann him too lol.  All he had to do was calmly discuss with Ace what was up but he couldnt stop himself from looking like a complete ass.
 
Heh, i actually remember this, i was the one who banned 4rcher, but i can't remember the reason (i think it might have had to do with glitching someone was complaining about). Then the other |n|s who were on the server started to say things like "fuck you MP, you suck don't ban him."  they weren't banned for that, however after 2 minutes of them continuing to curse at us while being the only ones to not ready up merited a nice ban.
For everyone to know, no one who runs or admins a dedicated server cares about who they ban. Its better to ban an occasional innocent, than let faggots ruin everyones gaming experience. If you've been banned and you think its was a mistake just tell or email us politely and we will look into unbanning you.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Saberian 3000 on May 29, 2003, 05:26:02 am
     I am writing this to say that our clan will not actively participate in a war with |n| over the forums or in Gameranger any longer.  |n| noto and myself have squashed our differences within our clans and from this point onward will not start flame wars between our clans.  It really was taking the fun out of the game, and in the both teams realised that fighting besides in the game is not getting us anywhere for our clans.  So this feud between our clans will end as of now, and i hope everything is now settled between our clans with our personal issues.

+MOD+Saberian.CBl


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Noto on May 29, 2003, 05:31:19 am
To Saberian, members of +MOD+, and others who have been affected by any and all posts, and or comments made by myself or any other member of |n|`The Network,

     I appreciate the way in which Saberian handled this situation.  We talked tonight and sorted out a ton of +MOD+/|n| issues.  What was said is now said and done, and there is no reason to post the contents of our conversation here, but only to post the fact that these two clans do respect one another.  I know that all of the members of |n| will "keep their houses clean" before reacting to other's posts and comments.  Furthermore, I apologize for any actions, comments, and posts that were not received well, which were made by any and all members of |n|`The Network.

     Happy gaming to all, and remember, it's just a game.

---|n|`Noto


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on May 30, 2003, 09:52:47 am
Look, If any of you guys know anything about snipers then you know that a sniper finds a place and stays there. Thats a part of fighting. He become a part of the suroundings and "camps".  It is not cheeting and I think that it is rude to ban someone for fighting fairly. Thats just my 2 cents.         ::)


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BFG on May 30, 2003, 11:50:37 am
only gonna say one thing... really should be working... But....

One problem seems to arrise when people complain that you lie down to get a better shot... So say you see someone on the map. Lie down and wait a few seconds for their noggin to pop up and get shot off... U then get told off for camping.. thats not right.

As for sniper guns.. well what the hell. of couse you gotta lie down. but when its games of LMS etc on big maps then repetitivly lying in the corner of the map waiting for someone to run past is just pretty crap... It spoils the game for everyone esle, and whatever you may belive getting a few kills like that in my oppionion is no sign of any skill worth bothering about.



Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Fusion on May 30, 2003, 07:23:47 pm
rgr that... I can be called a camper sometimes if you watch my movements. But I might be waiting in one spot for guys to come rushing by. And no its not at the spawn point. I move to a location predetermined and wait. If i dont see anyone, I relocate, and if im the last guy on LMS or there is only a couple of guys on the other team.. Well look out here i come :P I dont like the guys that always stay close to the spawn point and wait.. Or drop a sensor and run and hide in a corner saying "mommy".. BOOOOO. And if you are on a server that I have some pull with and you are doing the same thing over and over.. were your the last guy left and you are still camping it out. I will ask you to stop, if you dont i will request a boot. No this does not happen too often, most people stop if you ask them. But if you start talking trash, well you know, I ask for the size 13 to come out and play.

Remember, this is a game, you are suppose to have fun, and so are the other people playing with you.....


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Narauko on May 30, 2003, 09:22:20 pm
Ghost Recon is a simulation i thought...

So say i was wondering through the gulf and i got snipered are the rest of my fireteam going to start hurling abuse at the sniper saying "YOU ******* CAMPER".

If you get shot by a sniper its your own fault, the fact that they picked a spot to snipe from and you didn't see them shows skill on their part (not alot but some). Since most snipers on GR tend to run around like they have a an assault rifle or they just snipe from a obvious location...there aren't too many decent sniper spots, the ones that are decent are well known and only noobs go there...so really if you get sniped it was by a noob because you weren't looking both ways.

I just wish you people would stop bitching about it, what if i had my oicw and i was on the otherside of the map and i happen to lie down and find you in my sights...your dead...you got sniped by a oicw...does that mean i can't use my rifle?

I can't say i have a problem with snipers, I'm rarely snipered, im not saying that im the best dam player im just saying i take care in my movements across the map knowing where possible sniper locations are.

Being aware of your surroundings goes along way to not being killed by a sniper.

nark.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on May 31, 2003, 01:32:22 pm
You guys need to read the books, "Marine Sniper, 93 confirmed kills" , " Silent Warrior" , "Navy Seals Special Warfare Teams" , and Tom Clancy's "Shadow Warriors". Then you can talk about what a sniper/camper is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In real warfare you dont just run around w/ guns blazing, as a sniper you place your shots well (one shot one kill) and to do that you have to have a good hide to shoot from. Most of you guys call this camping because you are ignorant! :-[ ::)


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: flip wilson on May 31, 2003, 01:54:12 pm
ya know i've been in at least six cb games with BT and |n| that they would easily have won but didn't,  just because they wouldn't lay down a life for the team.  that's beyond immature and well into the territory known as Dumb.  on the other hand, i'm sure it's not everyone in the clan (not to name names or anything).

and what's wrong with camping anyhow?  part of the game.  sometimes you can't avoid it, too.  so, if you don't like it, then voice your opinion in the direction of the game makers instead of creaking like an old door and disturbing the fragile sanity of the rest of us.

ps: whiners and pains-in-the-neck ought to expect to be banned.  you don't have to be a dick to be a respected competitor.

 :P


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Saberian 3000 on May 31, 2003, 06:06:52 pm
     I think they're defense is that they didnt want campers in their MP games, not so much their cb's, which I am sure they dont want as well.  It has been obvious that they dont appreciate camping because I think they want the game to go as quickly as possible.  I know that BTs Nova has a strict hatred for it and am sure many teams including my own dont particularly like it all the time.
     In the case of a sniper I do agree that the sniper has to camp, unfortuantely because of all the bitching about camping that is going on, that is why the sniper is never really used in a cb.  It's too bad really cause I do believe that it would make the cb's mor einteresting to see some snipers in the game.  
     I am not sure why so many people compare this game to like Quake II in there minds as of camping goes. Lee Harvey is absolutely right in saying that a sniper in camping takes one shot, one kill.  Not just running around the game  being a target, because if you play sniper, all  u are good for if you are running around is a target.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: mainmanmanman on June 02, 2003, 04:13:49 pm
Getting falsly accused with no proof shows supream dumbass'ness. Now u know how i feel with MP.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Ghoul on June 02, 2003, 08:26:35 pm
Ive been silent and have decided to no longer air grievences on the boards, but let me just clarify one thing.

The camping I was accused of was this.
It was a seige game, my team started on on of the hilltops in Battlefield.

I ran to the edge, shot sombody, ran to another spot, laid a sensor down. Nobody came my way. Hilltop was surrounded. Ran to the other edge where I saw 2-3 enemy..I dropped next to a rock and waited for a shot..I got 2 of the 3.

I dont think thats camping. I woulda been a fool to go running down the hill with my dick in my hand.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Saberian 3000 on June 03, 2003, 05:03:10 am
In my book that isnt camping.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Ghoul on June 03, 2003, 08:57:34 am
Come to think of it...I think it was LMS. All the same.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Fusion on June 03, 2003, 11:58:55 pm
Please be truthful, we dont kick someone for camping 1 game. If you are camping and dragging the games out the full 10 mins for several games, well thats another story. If you are making people leave cause they dont want to wait for you to see an enemy cross in front of u in the back section of a map then you will get booted. We definitely warn people first.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Supernatural Pie on June 04, 2003, 02:31:56 am
I'm definitely tired of people giving snipers a bad name. If you claim to be a sniper, don't use an assault rifle, and don't go to the corner of a map. That's just weak.

If you're a true sniper, you'll be able to use your map to find key locations to snipe from that will be most effective for the particular scenario.

For example, the other day I was playing in a big game, and coss was observing through me. The map was the airport, and it was siege, i believe. I had a 7.62 sniper rifle.

For the first couple minutes of the game, i grab a spot under the plane picking off people as they came around the corner of the south west building.

Soon, I ran towards the center of the map while everyone else on my team was distracting them. I got a place smack in the middle of the map, but it was against a wall of a building, but I had a view of about 120 degrees. People that were rushing our based, and no one on my team could get them, i was able to get. People rushing out from the side of the building, I was able to get. 7 kills within the last 30 seconds. No spawn camps at all. Just good ol' sniping.

So you see, sniping is not about spawn camping, and it's not about hiding in a corner waiting for the game to end so that you don't die.

Ghost Recon sniping is an art, and you have to know what you're doing to be able to accomplish it well. But please, for the love of god, don't give snipers a bad reputation by doing the things that you do (going out to all noobs that take OICW's and hide in the corner of Battlefield COUGH COUGH.

Snipers are a part of the game, and I will never relinquish my rifle because some idiot newb started a stereotype about snipers, and for that they all get booted from games. >:(


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on June 04, 2003, 12:57:21 pm
Thank you agent Snipe.... thats my point exactly.

But you can snipe with the OICW in small maps. It is highly long distance accurate on single shot mode.

Being good at sniping on GhR is a skill that most people hate (the ones getting killed bye the sniper) so they just call us campers........... all I have to say is "IGNORANT"



one shot one kill!


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: Fusion on June 07, 2003, 09:46:06 pm
I dont mind getting sniped.. I dont like getting camped..


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on June 08, 2003, 12:21:43 pm
yea, but how do you tell the snipers from the campers. I get called a camper all the time when I'm sniping. :-[


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BTs_eight on June 08, 2003, 04:42:08 pm
When u move 5 meters from your spawn point and sit there for 10 minutes waiting for an enemy to pass by thats a camper... I have seen very good snipers run around get into position... change position becuase enemy is somewhere else... shoot, change position etc... Once a sniper shoots he is giving up his position.... SO MOVE!

i love going up against snipers... Somehow i end up right next to them holding a OICW or a quick SA-80.... nothing they can do when holding their pistols/sniper rifle....


Camper is also someone that is down on guys... lets say i have 3 guys on my team an their is one sniper left... In the past we have gone up against great snipers in this situation..... That's when we wait for him to come out of his hole... and get shot...
What? You want me to run in on him? I would rather camp out the camper especially when the game is in my favor.

You know how pissed campers get when u out camp them an win?



Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on June 09, 2003, 09:42:53 am


You know how pissed campers get when u out camp them an win?



Yea I've had to do several times in CB with the higher ranked clans.


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: core.C o k e on June 09, 2003, 07:36:35 pm
I went camping once, well i was in a caravan, does that count?
I think this thread is quite funny, started out as a bitch about a ban and turned into a debate upon team tactics.
Good stuff
Coke
btw, Why is Mr Mushroom, so popular?
Cos he's a Fun Guy!!
Geddit?


Title: Re:Bts & N can't stand being killed
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on June 10, 2003, 12:03:57 am
lol :P