*DAMN R6 Forum

I observed the other threads about this rule but I wanted to wait for the first weekend what happens. Virus has done 3 cbs against 3 different clans as it was supposed to be. But other clans especially Rogue Spear clans seem to have problems to get cbs done or did you all gave up!? RnT, AK, Mp5(cbed twice)?

Same goes out to DEA: in the main season you played almost all clans no matter if they were europeans or american clans and now only one cb against c!

I think the rule has few advantages, like you almost can't void clans, but may the majority of you thinks different.

Or is the time to short? - I could extend the finals for one week!?

Bye,

Mauti
*Update*: I worry a bit about season 4. If most of you are unable to play other clans without shedule/bracket how will finals season 4 work with a bracket best of 3cbs system(grand final best of 5)...?

Hi Mauti,

Well this rule is not so bad,

the only prob is to match USA clans, working good wit c and dea coz they r okay for scheduled cbs, but with clan like agt is pretty hard coz voodoo doesnt like sheduled cb and usa clan r most played week ends when u r a euro clan, still waiting from SM a clear schedule also

so yes we need extend time for finals i think

In my opinion it would be nice if the must battle 2 clans in between rule would be set aside.  I think the logic behind it was good, in theory it would make it hard to avoid a certian clan, but the problem that is seeming to arise is that there are some clans that just don't want to CB.  So not only are they avoiding CBs, but they're making it impossible for the clans that want to CB, to CB again.  I know DEA and c| would have probably finished all 3 CBs within the first few days if we possibly could, but now it looks like we'd be lucky to get one more in before the end of the finals.  In addition with the USA clans battling the European clans, it would  have been nice to have some quick rematches on the same day, or the day after the original match.  It's so hard to get both clans online because of the time difference that when it does happen, its a rare oppurtunity that should be taken advantage of.

As for extending the finals, I say leave them as they are.  2 weeks was the original plan, and we'll just take this as a learning experience how the finals should work for next season.

So here's my idea for the finals for season 4, off the top of my head.  Since there will be 3 rounds, maybe make the finals portion 3 weeks long.  Make the time allowed for each round 1 week.  Both clans must battle within this time period.  Now if one clan avoids the battle, then have some sort of system set up that if the clan that wants to fight can prove that they've put their effort in to schedule and set up the CB, and the other clan has been dodging it, then the dodging clan gets dropped from that round.  That probably would mean a lot more work and headaches for good ole Mauti here ;) being our judge, jury, and executioner, but it's the only way I can think of for now.

well nice sugestion from Flies here:
"Mb it could be minimized to only 1 clan in between, I dunno. And I dont think it should be taken away completely"

Anyway Finals need 1 week more i think

And question at Mauti: doesnt all clans MUST play their cbs in finals? or they just can sit on their ass. i saw some post about Rogues games about clans avoiding cbs and not playing  cbs in finals.
It should be not have inactivity in a FINAL

Rapid, I haven't talked to you in over a month so don't lie or I'll delete all the flame war starting bullshit you post.  You've never asked me for a cb before.  You always try to do it behind my back.  Hazard is sick and no we don't feel like playing Rogue Spear all the time, although it's hard to explain to idiots over the internet that always think it's time to play just because we signed onto Gameranger.  Rapid, there is not 1 clan in the top 6 that is afraid of you, they don't play you because they don't like you, you're not fun and you post and talk way too much bullshit.  Go fuck yourself, I'll never cb you because you always act like this.  You have never ever asked me to my face on Gameranger to a clan battle.  I haven't even seen you or another member on recently, let alone at the same time.  I don't play you because I don't like you, I play for fun and good hosts.  Not whining babies that run to Mauti because someone didn't green up or we didn't agree on an amount of games or a crash happened that doesn't effect anything just because you are losing.  Clan have a right not to cb you, if it wasn't a good reason their reputations and feelings from other would be hurt and people would want to push them to cb, but not playing because you don't feel like it or you don't like someone is a great reason, let the people be the judge fine, but their will never be a penalty unless their was something blatantly bullshit about not cbing in which case people would get on the clan saying no and making fun of them like always just when DEA was avoiding Virus (just an example)

 To start, I'd like to say that I am confident that both AK vs MP5 and RnT vs MP5 can happen this season, and as always, I look forward to those matches.

One of my goals as a clan is not to be bothered by losses. When you lose a CB in MP5, you go win it back, you don't dwell on what can't be corrected.

Part of that, is that we don't turn down CBs, unless we have an extremely good reason. We'll never say "I need this special team on for this CB".

I'm not dumb, I'm not going to CB after playing 2 hours of MOH. I want a bit of RS warm up first, and at the time that I turned down the CB from you, I wouldn't have had time to warm up, then CB.

Since FiRE did step up and CB us, I'm not really in a posistion to comment on the issue of FiRE turning down CBs. But, me being who I am, I will anyway.

I've heard from a certian FiRE member who will remain nameless that FiRE is indeed turning down challenges and hoping at their lead can hold for the rest of the season.

As I said in another thread, winning the battle league is about the respect. If FiRE wins it cheaply, they simply get no respect.

I think it's obvious that there are problems with the finals system, but I think that such problems should be discussed after this season, not during it.  

Man oh Man all thease NOOB RS clans bickering over nothing this game is actually dead, all the good clans are gone and there is really not point in battling in my eyes!! hehe

So just keep yelling at each other only Noob clans left and they have not had enough of yelling yet I see no older guy or CLAN (cause there is no older clans left) fighting

You guys are just funny! But by all means    keep it up makes for good noob intertainment ;D

God Rapid how much of a dumbass can you be? I said to you after you asked for a cb "I dunno depends who comes on I personnally won't cb." I have been sick for almost a week now(since friday) and I haven't played RS in weeks and you want me to cb you. Go cry some more. Your so pathetic.

I can't wait for your reply (size 69 font gay color) "YOUR JUST AFRAID CAUSE WE OWN YOU 0wn3d (random smiley) FiRE is afraid (random smiley) 0wn3d time to make up a conspiracy that doesn't exist 0wn3d (random smiley)."

I mean No older clans that still play RS exept for maybe  Virus or *Damn but I am not sure if they still Play that game, doesent look like it
 ROFL

u know how old RnT is? and, show ur name, makes u look a bit more non-noob. calling us noobs....zzzzzzzzz ::)

 I nor Infection has told the clan that "we will not cb in order to win." That's bullshit and you know it. Just because we cb whenever you snap your fingers and say im ready, doesn't mean we won't cb.

To Rapid: We cbed MP5 because 2 members approached me and said " I wanna cb." I said ok and told them to warm up. They cbed. Why the hell would we be afraid of you? Basically MP5 is just the better of AK.

Ok, you dumbass. Let's take a look at the Rogue Spear Clans in the top 6:

AK: Started in September of 2001.

FiRE: Not sure when they're founded; about a year old.

RnT: About a year old.

KotA: Origonaly founded by PsYcO breakoffs, over a year ago.

Freak: Founded by HappyJack as a joke/fun clan, about 6 months ago.

MP5: Founded by Typhy, the origonal founder of AK, and the person in this community who has done the most CBs.

Hmm, noobs? You're the noob, so fuck off.



Clans over a year old who have done RS CBs this season: FiRE, AK, RnT, KoS, Virus, DAF, KotA, AgT, *NADS, and FBI. - That's 10.

Now, let's take a look at the GHR ladder: Virus, AgT, FiRE, *DAMN, EUR. That's 5.


Hazard, it's sad how poorly you treat your own members. Calling them dumb in a public forum, in a non joking manner. That's just sad.

One last comment about the issue of potentialy extending the BL for about 15 days. I don't think that's fair. Clans came into these finals knowing what they had to do to win. I know that I would've done things differently had I known there were 30 days in the finals, instead of 15. I think that we just have to accept that there were some problems with the finals, and correct the problems for the next season.
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 whoa whoa whoa rapid calm down  we have challenged AK to cb many many times... since when have you challenged US?!?!?!!? Where are you coming up with this BS? I have asked you and Stealth Sniper while you were both in my game to cb and you left because you had lunch or something. I'm not accusing you of lying then but right now you certainly are. We have challenged EVERY CLAN IN THE FINALS to cb MULTIPLE TIMES.
-MP5- and KotA were in the process of warming up when they backed out... no one else has accepted our multiple challenges. Rapid, you are full of shit, like Infect said.

 Pat, I take a great ammount of pleasure in watching you guys not find CBs. I didn't really want it to come to this, but I guess it has to. I will not CB against you, and or Rancid, because of the shit you pulled in the earlier CB.

The reason I "backed out" during warmup, is because when I play you guys, I know that I have to be playing perfectly, since you're very likely to grab some C4, and go find a corner. Secondly, there was no "warm up", I said that I wanted to warm up and then I would tell you wether or not I would CB, depending on how well I was playing. We went over to your host ( which had a 350 ping, and was laggy as hell ), played a few games, and it became obvious to me that I wasn't going to be able to beat you if you pulled a cheap stunt like you did in the last CB. Simple as that.  

Rapid Can you Really Be that dumb? you havent Challagned people and you say you have?

I see there are 3 clans who want to cb here. Why dont you three cb each other?

its probably one of those no name ghost recon players that swarmed from the construct over to the b&g and *DAMN.

anyway, typhy, i just want to say dont ask me to cb again, just because i cant accept without permission of the leader, so you might as well ask one of them. i know youve heard it before, but to other clans that keep asking me, FiRE has rules (as its been said before) so ask the leaders, not me.

infect, i havnt played rs or even been on the comp in a long time, so try to find me on aim sometime so we can play.

Sure, how does this friday, 11:00 Eastern Time sound?

Typhy, you're being an idiot:

• I didn't need to use C4 because we were owning you hard core already
• There was  no c4!  during our 'warmup session'
• Take your excuses else where Typhy, you know as well as I do that there were only Primary Mags and Secondary Mags in the Kit list. I know that you were playing bad, but don't start blaming your backing out on not trusting me about pulling stunts. Even if I did camp, which I wouldn't have, Hybrid or Rob (they switched because Rob had to go) would have raped your ass anyways.

Rapid, you have never challenged me to CB. I have challenged you at least three times and I don't come into the Forums screaming about you not accepting  our challenges
I would love to CB anyone so bring it. I'm not saying that I'm open to CB 24/7 but if I have '.cb' on you better believe that I'm ready.

 
There, that's what I said. I never said that you did that in the tests, I just said that I couldn't be sure that you wouldn't do that in the real CB.


Either you gave the answer to one of your earlier points, or you said something extremely dumb. If you're talking about in the "warm up", then you answered one of your questions from earlier. I'm not going to CB when I'm not playing perfectly against you guys, because it's clear that I can't trust you. If you're saying that you didn't use C4 in the MP5 vs KotA CB, then you're full of shit.


I can't help but reply to this. I own both Hybrid and Rob. Rob is perhaps the most over rated player of all time, and Hybrid is worse than his brother, Rebel, who I beat in a 1v1.


Wow, Matt, way to dodge it. The problem in this thread is that FiRE is unwilling to CB.

Back to MP5 vs KotA, for a moment.

There are many reasons that I am refusing your challenges:

1.) You've clearly shown that you have no honor.

2.) You've shown that you're capible of camping, and don't have a problem with it. Therefor, I know that I have to be playing my best in order to CB against you, because you're likely to pull the same stunt as last time.

3.) Your host is a lagfest.

4.) We're a 2 person clan, and we both have lives, we're not always able to CB.

At first, I was figuring that another MP5 vs KotA battle would happen, with C4 ban, and maps set before the CB, maps that you guys could promise not to camp on. Then I thought about it; why should I negotiate with people like you? Why should I not do the maps that we normaly do because you'll camp on them? The problem is that you're honorless.

Now back off, if you ever want this CB to happen.



I on the other hand am able to CB at anytime in the day. Springbreak, so no school until this coming monday, and soccer season's over. I just need notice 24-48 hours before the time that you want to battle, and I will have a team on at that time.[/color]

Typhy we already cbed and defeated your clan in the Finals, this in no way concerns you and if you continue to talk about owning people which is completely off topic I will lock this.  Rapid is a liar, he has never asked us to cb, the only time we were asked by an AK to cb was you as soon as both Hazard and I signed off every night.  


I have the same problems with Kota that you have, Pat talks shit then says how his members will own us and would never cb us without them.

The only clan I've had to say no to consistantly is RnT, I'm sorry, just because I sign onto Gameranger in the morning sure as hell doesn't mean I want to play a game.

Maybe I hadn't made myself clear, I was saying that we didn't use C4 in the 'warmups' of our last attempt to CB. I also stated that we couldn't use C4 because it was restricted. How could I pull the same stunt as last time when there was no way I could get at c4 with it restricted?!?
Typhy, I understand that you weren't playing well. Due to all the bragging that I have heard out of your mouth I was expecting much, much better because, quite frankly, you sucked. I also understand why you wouldn't want to cb because you weren't playing up to par. You could have left it at that instead of going on about how your top game would be needed to defeat c4 campers like us. That was complete BS considering that c4 wasn't allowed during the warmups and I had no intention of changing it later on.
Oh, and Typhy that little shot about how you have a 'life' against me... implying that I don't have one, is wrong. I play my sport (hockey) at as competetive a level, if not more, as you do. So, wanna talk about having a life? my season lasts 8 months of the year and I practice every day of the week and have 4-5 games on weekends in various places in Canada, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Syracuse, etc.

My Name is 0 SNIPE {1S}

Look me up and let me tell you Typhy and all You have no idea, you all noobs and just entertaining to people that really know rofl
but please keep it up

all those clans u mentioned are all noob clans sorry but fact just like you Typhy with a mouth like a horse hehe

but u funny so its all good  ;D

 You're right, I don't really know. I've only been around this battle league for a year and a half. I'm only the leading poster on these boards. I'm only the founder of the battle league winning AK. I'm only the person who has done the most CBs in Mac Rogue Spear history. Yep, you're right, I really don't know anything.

I don't know anything about GameRanger, I've only been on it for it's whole existance, with my first account in the 200s. Yep, I sure don't know anything.

Yes, and I'm sure that you "really know" everything. Yep, you, as the person who calls Virus, KoS and AK newbies. Yeah, you sure seem to know it all, don't you?

Mauti, I think that you should turn over complete control of these boards to GladHeateher, since he seems to know everything.
 

 Well Rapid, then I don't expect this CB to be able to happen. The chances of Myst, SS, you, and myself all being on GR at the same time, and ready to CB, without it being scheduled, are very unlikely.  

 It's obviously "that hard" for you, since you won't setup a time for it.

Why is it that in a clan with as many members, and great players as AK has, you can't setup times for CBs? But yet in a 2 member clan, I am able to?

So, u would love to CB anyone? Why the fuck u always turn my challenge down?

and who is this "snipe" who calls everyone noobs? lmao what a fuckface

@ Mauti: i think clans that not cb in finals should loose  points something like 50 points per cb not played
A final mean u have to play not save points

Ok, Typhy, Patty, Hazzy, Infecky, Rapidy, and all you other guys. If you can't schedule a time, at least post an estimated time when you have the most team members on. That would make it much easier to cb and stuff. So get on it, or I'll throw molten TNT into all your eyes, and then you'll all be blind and won't be able to play RS ever again.  8)

P.S., Typhy, I thought you threw out and burnt your GhR CD and whatnot! You were playing yesterday...I smell the smelly smell of someone that's switching to GhR.

Good idea man! FiRE would loose all points and be 6th. Or they will win the lame and not respectful way...

Dude you do Know nothing!! You been here for a Year and a half ROFL!! You a noob man, who the fuck is the AK clan lol? Virus was around in the day, Kos not but some people in the clan were, Hockey Cam, Attila, that  seen  this forum when it  was really good, and just started, not like today!
You are just some new RS idiot that tries to act like a Vet ROFL but I really laugh alot you are funny kid,  Horsieee mouth you got a mouth like a horse   nahhhhahhhnhh!! My point is you New RS guys just bicker and fight and make no sence and have no idea!! Why no more R6 days boo hooo!    nahhhhahhhnhh ;D

61290 is your account # NOOB if you had another you would use it I bet!{Causeu think that make u cool} Cool it was when it started here where you never could of been!! You  untruthful fruitcake! You have really no idea, Since the new update all people can get there old accounts back horsie ! nahhhhh ;D

but keep it comming i ROFL  ;D

@ Mauti: or instead punish clans that not play in finals , add a rule like:
 Clans in final must match every clans that are in finals at least 1 time, if not clan is removed from final

For now its not a final, there is not lot activity

Rapid, you act as if you've been challenging everyone and it's a huge letdown for no one to accept your imaginary challenges. As far as I know, you guys haven't challenged KotA, FiRE, and I'm not sure about MP5. Stop your talking in the Forums, get on GameRanger, challenge us and if we turn it down, then complain. Not until then should you be complaining about a lack of cb's.

Hey Horda,

Well unfortunately if one clan sits out the entire finals, then we all get punished, but I like your idea that clans that are not participating should be dropped, or take a point deduction or something.

:)

yup for me a final mean U HAVE TO FIGHT >:(
again there is  HOLES in rules
Seriously a final mean u have to play

i think best way is to remove clans that avoid cb by a simple rule; u have to fight all top 6 clans at least 1 time or be removed from finals (so no pain for mauti to update scores)

so we can have a final by example with 4 or 5 clans instead 6
ok so its bring us to: how to proove that some1 is avoiding  a cb for final ?
well use forum to make a scheduled cb and lets both team talk about it ( with an account on forum no bs)

scheduling the CB in the forums is a good idea.  Keeps everything in the open, and would show who is avoiding a CB.  I'm sure some issues would arise, ranodm people that have no connection to anything love to butt in and start flame wars, but so far posting it in the forums sounds like the best idea to me.

I can only assume Splinter, that your talking about AgT. I can tell you this. We have been turned down just as many times as we have turned down Clan Battles. If you gonna talk about my clan have the nuts to talk openly.

With that  said... My rule purposal:

I think that once the final 6 are choosen that the points for those 6 clans should be reset. With eveyone at "0",  the pressure will be put on clans to stay in the "mix". With clans that battle more often then others I dont think there is a way to tell who actually is the best. I agree with flies, that the "mass" cb'ing isnt the way to go. More to come, have to go now

 Well, just like Lothario a few months back, I have to say sorry to Rabid, Mattster, and others who I have called a dumbass, because I now know what a true dumbass is.

Let's just go straight down your post, shall we, dumbass?


Using one of my older accounts isn't exacly an option. My first account in the 200s was lost due to getting a new computer, and a cable modem. ( some crap at pit.net is what I had on 56k, on cable, I have alaska.com ). My second account, 9551, belongs to a dead email adress, and I lost the password.


Well done. Congratulations. You've raised the bar on the dumbass meter to a new high! What you're doing would be like me going into a Ghost Recon game ( a game which I know almost nothing about, 'cause I hate it ), and calling them noobs because they didn't used to play Dark Castle in black and white, on a 4mhz mac classic. If you don't know who AK is, you obviously know nothing about this current community. Oh wait, I forgot, you "really  know", I'm sure that you would "really know" all of this, and are just pretending to be a dumbass. I want to congratulate you on that front too. - Great imitation.

Ok, now let me try and post like  GladHeateher.

OMG u nothing know. rofl its funny how you think your such a vet you rs noob! rofl! keep it up! its so funny to watch you noobs!

The truth of that 'post':

Please keep fighting. It gives me the option to call you noobs, an option that I don't often get, seeing as I am one myself.

I saw this forum back in the R6 days, back in the days of POD Wrath making posts that read ":)",  and getting into giant fights with *DAMN Bander over a certian CB.

Rabid, I'd like you to meet GladHeateher here, I think you two will get along well, you seem to have lots in common. He will even be able to teach you a few things, since he's "god of the dumbasses".   [/color]

ROFL typhy you are the funnist i ever seen you were never in the R6 days and if you read anything about that it. must of been the back pages of the old site you have no idea moron!! so just shut your noob mouth hahahah

ROFL  you such a poor kid

please talk more I can get more happy u ultra noob hahaha! ;D

 Wow, I didn't think it was possible. . . But, dare I say it. . . I think he's getting even dumber! Yes folks, I'm sure that most of us thought that he'd reached a level which no one could pass, but the master strikes again, and puts the bar one click higher on the "Dumbass 'o meter". Congratulations!  

thats a good idea

i also think that Finals should be extend now for 1 or 2 weeks more, with new rules added (my sugestions and the nice idea from Voodoo)

should give us a decent final

Voodoo,

Relax man.  Infact I wasn't talking about AgT.  When I've talked to you about CBing, you've been open and cool about it.  You've answered me when I've PMed, we've talked about scheduling CBs, so I have no problem with you or your clan.  I'm talking about the clans that i've sent emails to requesting CBs, and never getting any response back.  I'm talking about all the BS that seems to be going on in the RS ladder.  My comments are about addressing the situation as a whole for all clans on all ladders, not about any gripes I have with any specific clan.  I don't bitch about specific clans in the forums because all it does is create flame wars, and never solves anything.

So please voodoo, don't assume things from my comments.  Take them at face value...all i'm talking about is getting a better system in place.

Hi guys,

the finals won't be extended but you can do now a rematch after playing only one different clan in between.

Point reset and shedule things(so you have to battle) like this will happen in season 4 but for season 3 I won't redo everything that would also be unfair for clans that fought hard to become the #1.

Bye and thanks for your inputs,

Mauti

Rapid, as I said before; clans came into these finals knowing what they had to do to win. I can tell you this, had I known it was going to be 22 days instead of 15, I would've done things differently. We just need to accept that there were problems with the finals setup, and try and correct them for the next season.

They Should Be the Way they are for this seasons Finals cause it already started and people would have done things differently like Typhy said. But For next Seasons Finals We could have a tourny like NFL Champoinship mb?

Rapid, Mauti answers your question in the above statement...

Awesome Mauti, I think that the point reset for the final 6 in season 4 will help out a whole bunch. Not to mention a no recruiting rule for the finals.

Splinter, sorry to jump to any conclusions but I know that AgT hasnt cb'ed at all these finals and its hard for us with members at full time work, school and Universtiy. I just thought you were talking about us and had to defend us. Ive played with all c|'s and have nothing bad to say about you guys. I apologize. Group hug?  ;D

plz stay on topic yall.

Rapid, until you are perfect in accepting CB's don't start flame wars with people about how they aren't accepting your challenges. BTW, you fucked up my name  ;)  it's not P?t with the AK'd a.. but P?T biznatch
peace

lol voodoo,

hug accepted ;)

I think if you reset the points a 6 ranked clan with maybe 90 points is now equal with the number 1 ranked clan that had 400 points.  If you wish to reset the points, I'd definatley suggest playoffs.  The top 6 clans on any battle league should definately have the activity to do this, no problem at all.  The fairness would be that 1 plays 6, 2 plays 5 and 3 plays 4, which is what they've earned by coming into their respected positions on the ladder.

Now as for Absalon:

Cool, I'll play with as many members I have on! ;)

(Now I hope My teamates log on and are in the mood and have time to CB!)

                                                        ;D

Point reset huh?

I'll remember that for next season when i'll just tell my boys not try so hard to get so many points and cb less.... Just get enough to make the finals...

I don't think the point reset would be cool....

You think that Virus or DEA has a huge lead over everyone in the GhR ladder?

Well ask us or Virus when they started cbing.... I am sure we will both tell you we have been cb'ing since the very begining and kept going none stop... (well except for us in the finals....)

You can do so eight. If there wouldn't be a point reset the finals wouldn't make sense at all except to prevent that you play against noob clans.

The finals in season 4 will be a mixture of skillpoint system and classical playoffs. The rank will nevertheless be rewarded in one or two ways. So it makes sense to also become the number one of the mainseason.

Contrary I think a point reset would encourage many clans to cb more because now they don't have to fear to lose important points for the finals. But more about the new finals when season 4 starts.

Bye,

Mauti