*DAMN R6 Forum

In my past efforts to get this point across, I've fogotten one thing, most of you can't really understand.  You haven't been on this side.  So to help detail this, let me give a basic picture of the whole ass/dumbass thing.

It started back nearly two years ago with Ace and Grifter as the two "Asses".  Like superheroes need villians, so asses need dumbasses, so they created them.  And yes, I mean created.

The first notable dumbass was Romulus.  I wasn't around much back then so I can't say exacly how it progressed, but I can assume it happened much like the later ones happened and the asses decided he was going to be a dumbass based on a few posts that they thought were stupid.  So from that point on they made a point of mocking him any chance they had.

Being in this position I know exactly how Zait and Bander feel, and now I'll give a deeper reasoning to why dumbasses are created as a perception rather than a reality.  I've known Bander for nearly three years.  Longer than any of the asses, that's for damned sure.  I know that the Bander that has posted recently and been so greatly mocked isn't how he really is.  But this is why his posts are as they are.  Once you have been labeled a dumbass and any point you make is sure to be ridiculed, it is hard to see the point of putting effort into a calm well thought out post and much easier just to be dramatic and yell.  In this way it is a negative reinforcment cycle.  The more you get called a dumbass the more you get pissed off and yell, and the more you get called a dumbass.  But trust me, neither Zait nor Bander are dumb.  The angry posts you see are a result of the creation of the dumbass perception.

Now I'll touch on another big one.  Rapid too is a creation of a dumbass.  Rapid isn't that bad of a person to begin with, but the asses that be kept tearing him down to the point where the whole community bought into it and the reinforcement cycle consumed him just like it did to Romulus.  For some reason Typhy also got a bit of the dumbass treatment as well.  Now Bucc may mock Rapid for being paranoid for the Inner Forum Circle stuff...but in reality Rapid knew what he was talking about.  I was privy to every single forum and saw all the discussion that happened, and there was a group of people dead set against Rapid.  Is this a conspiracy...probably not, but most certainly he has reason to say what he did.

Unfortunately this summer Grifter passed away and Bucc took his place as an ass.  As bad as Grifter was, Bucc is much worse in using his style of making fancy statments and dropping in buzz words like "hypocrite" or "dumbass" and keeps the battle going.

Hopefully the majority of you can understand what is happening here.  I'm sure that Bander, Zait, Rapid, and every other person who has been chosen as a dumbass knows exactly where I'm coming from and agrees that the only dumbasses on this forum are the one created in the posts of Bucc, Ace, and the late Grifter.

P.S.  Bucc, if your plan is to reply breaking down my post and using it as a sign that I'm a dumbass, then you'd only be proving my point.

i'm sure calling grifter a dumbass will get you a whole lot of negative attention bondo.  You do realize that bucc isn't a asshole to the vast majority of gameranger users, on the forums in the past if you say something stupid (or are a stuck up prick) he will destroy you. Ace is the sameway on GR & forums.

From my observations of you in particular you seem to cower and complain once someone voices a viewpoint different than yours. When multiple people think differently than you you feel "ganged up on." All those things i've said about rapid being illogical in the past pail in comparison to you.

I'm not sure what your trying to acomplish with this, because most of the general god fearing gameranger population likes both ace and bucc.

 Bondo, I agree 100%, your post has to be one of the best I've ever seen.

Ace is probably my least favorite person in this entire community. - Just after I got back from my ban, I joined one of Ace's Ghost Recon games, he promptly booted me and put me on block, before I even said a word. This is someone who I never talked to, he just saw that my opinions on the forums differed from his, and that the other "inner circle" members didn't like me. Since that point, I consider Ace a total dumbass.

On the subject of Grifter - Grifter was proud of being an "ass", and I doubt that he would take offense to anything in Bondo's post.

Bondo clearly states the reasons why this is the most screwed up forum ever. If Ace or Buccaneer would act like they do in a real forum, they'd first have their posts edited, and any offensive material taken out, as well as a friendly warning from a moderator. Another post like that, they'd get a week forum ban, a 3rd one, and they'd be gone for good.

What so many people fail to understand is that it's not the "dumbasses" who create "flame wars", it's the "asses". A perfect example of this: PsYcO aSsAsSiN and I were having a pretty good argument in regards to Ghost Recon ( GhR vs RS, actually ), then along comes (uNt Pyrex; boom, it goes from being a semi intelligent argument into being a "flame war", when I take a look about one of his posts, it's about a 1:5 ratio between content that regards the issue, and random bullshit. A normal forum, that is simply deleted.

More coming later - Great post, Bondo.  

Hmm... an interesting topic...

The superhero/villian comparison really works mighty well. You could really expand on it... with Ace and Bucc being the superheros of the asses, Rapid and.. mm.. dunno who else is leading the charge of the dumbasses. And they are indeed created, but they are not *just* created... it takes a special breed to have all the right qualities ofa  dumbass. They are hand picked from the general population and specially groomed to be complete... well.. dumbasses.

And we do need them. Think.. how boring would it be with no evil dumbass nemesis to be the bad guy? Everyone loves a good argument/debate, and these guys provide 'em when there aren't enough, and even some when we have enough. We need a bad guy. It's kinda like a jihad... we fight in the name of all things good and holy against the evil dumbasses.

So, yes, we make them. But so what? Sure, we piss a few people off, but we keep the jihad going and us simple minded folk happy, because we know we have our nemesis.

Plus, sometimes it's damn funny ;D

Hmm, where to begin...

Bondo, I really don't get it. You are supposedly fed up with these boards, claim to be leaving, then come back a few weeks later. Now within the first week you are back, you post this knowing that an ensuing flame war is all but inevitable.

Believe it or not, we (the asses) do not "create" dumbasses; we merely point them out for others to see what they really are. Basically, if someone says or does something really dumb, I'm going to call them on it. Sucks to be them, but it's their own fault. You say that after people are labeled a dumbass, they scream and yell to only perpetuate the problem. You try and pass this blame off on Bucc and I, but what does it really say about someone who becomes childish and immature when things don't get their way? It says something about a person who can keep their cool and stick to their guns when things get rough and don't go their way.

Let's take Bander for example. Bander was once well-regarded on these boards. The turning point came around Sept. 11th. Naturely, tensions were high. We had Americans feeling very shocked and bitter, and we also had Bander who came from an Afghan point of view. People made some off color remarks about Middle Easterners, and Bander countered with anti-American stereotypes. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but I really don't blame either side because people will always say things in the heat of the moment. If I remember correctly, there was a reconciliation for a time afterwards. However, ever since then, any time Bander has posted in a topic dealing with Americans and international politics, there is the inevitable "stupid, fat Americans" comment. Of course we rip him a new one for this. Does anyone honestly expect him to make bullshit stereotypes about our country and not stand up for ourselves? Then, like clockwork, Bander will get his panties in a knot and start screaming and yelling. Thus, the ass/dumbass relationship has been perpetuated.

AK is a whole other mess unto itself. Thankfully I was able to avoid dealing with them for a long time because I didn't play RS. (Just another reason showing why R6 is so superior to RS, hehe.) Eventually I was forced to deal with things, and if it wasn't blatantly obvious that Rapid is a moron, I don't know what is. I don't care what you say Bondo, everywhere Rapid goes he invites controversy and chaos. I've never seen someone able to fan a flamewar like he can. If you would notice, very rarely do I respond to Typhy or Rapid. You just get this idea that I persecute them because I delete their posts when they are full of bullshit. And even when their bullshit posts are deleted by someone else, it is blamed on me. Just ask the other GG mods how many times this has happened.

Typhy, I could really care less what you think about me. My only regret is that I didn't pre-emptively block you from my server. And no, this is not because of what the "inner circle" members told me to do or any conspiracy like that. Simply put, my GhR server is just that - mine. When I'm dedicating a computer and a large chunk of bandwidth to a server, I'm going to run it how I want. For starters, I don't want to have to deal with all the crap that follows AK. Say what you want, but wherever AK goes, bullshit follows. I have rectified this problem by blocking everyone in AK.

Also, if I'm such a dick like you guys allege, why is it that I dedicated what is widely considered the best GhR server around almost 24/7? I can't wait to hear the answers to this one. On a similar note, why does the other "asshole" (Bucc) spend his time and money to keep Macclans up for the community? Surely it couldn't be out of goodwill. He is evil and malicious, right?

Jeb, reread my last sentance...I never said Grifter was a dumbass...I said the only dumbasses are those created in the posts of his (and the others) so as to say in how he replies to other people's posts.  The posts made by the "dumbasses" aren't actually dumb.

Anarchy, I'm glad you appreciate my alalogy...even if you completely take it from its intended use.

Ace, the reason I don't leave is because I am well liked by a majority of the posters.  Just because you, Bucc, Jeb and a few others don't doesn't mean I don't have friends.  My list of friends on GR and on the forums is just as expansive as yours.

As for Bander, the 9/11 thing was just when the asses decided he would become a dumbass because they didn't like his view.  Just like I was insulted in that same thread for saying the US brought the attack upon themself with their meddling in the Middle East.  This wasn't a very popular statment among such patriotic people like yourself.  Sorry, but the asses show a real intolerance for opinions they don't like (no, this isn't a liberal/conservative thing, I'm talking about intolerance for a variety of ways to make an arguement).

Jeb, you say I cower whenever someone disagrees with me.  You must not be reading.  I am fine with people having different viewpoints seperate from mine.  My problem is when people insist in replying to my post that all my points are wrong just because THEY don't agree with them.  I would just like to have my viewpoint respected just as I respect those who have their own.

Trust me, I've posted enough times on enough different topics to know that regardless of the opinion I present and how I present it, the asses will make the claim that it is flawed.  It has nothing to do with my posting and completely to do with the asses need to have dumbasses.

Anyways, the replies so far in this thread have proved exactly what I feared, only those who have been in the shoes of being called a dumbass understand that the asses are the big problem, and without asses there would be no dumbasses.

Ha. . .Romulus wasn't the first dumbass.  Before Ace ever even called himself the "resident ass" we had Peekay/Romeo/Juliet acting stupider and saying things worse than the combined magnitude of all the flame wars, all the negativity, and all the insults real or imagined.  And I believe it was blackhand who first coined the term dumbass. . .with about a page and a half of them. . .

Guys, those were the days.  People were mocked for doing stupid things.  (example, trying to hack GR, spamming Mauti, etc)  and then they left.  So Ace and Grifter didn't start it. . .

Anyway, I'd like to commend you all for not erupting into personal attacks here.  Ace, you were very diplomatic. . .that's the kind of rebuttal I'd hoped for a little while ago.  It's funny though how trivial the forums seem now.

Have a good one.

Bondo, I'm not bringing up the point of whether you should leave or whether you shouldn't, although you know where I stand. I was just calling into question if your words can be taken at face value when you say something (i.e. you are leaving for good) and do something else (i.e. come back a few weeks later).

As for the 9/11, it's not a matter of tolerance of other people's ideas, it is a matter of showing some simple respect. We are talking about a tragedy where thousands of our civilians are killed, and you have the audacity to say we brought it upon ourselves. Where I come from you show some damn courtesy. Also, please explain to me how "fat and uneducated American" is a "different view" I should "tolerate" and not a stereotype I should rip in two? That's the kind of shit that makes Bander the dumbass that he is.

Bondo, why is it wrong to reply to your points using well-thought out arguments because we do think your points are wrong most of the time. If I disagree with you and I can back my viewpoint up, you can be sure as hell that I'm going to call you on it. It's not my fault that you fail to see the big picture much of the time. You just try to focus on your viewpoint, and when things don't go your way, yes, you cower and run.

You are really starting to sound like Rapid now. There is no conspiracy. Bucc and I don't sit around saying, "Hey, let's go make a dumbass on the forum, we need a new one." Get over yourself already.

OMG weaksauce,  :o

why do you always go about bitching and whining when somthing doesnt go your way or somone disagrees with you.

i hope you don't do this in real life, because, well, that makes you look like a sissy, as well as an idiot. LMAO

notice the double spacage in my post?? maybe now you can respond instead of bitching about my posts' format.

just keep in my that before these iraq threads, i did'nt know you and that any judgement of your intelligence or ability to argue that i have made is based on your statements to me and others.

for one thing, weaksauce, the first time you actually addressed me and responded to a point i made, it was somthing along the lines of "abe, if you only got your lips of buccs undersized cock (...) you would realize that i am right." keep that in mind as well. even after i didnt take that bait and responded to your dumbass comments in a dignified manner, you simply brush any point i make aside by saying it is too hard to read because i dont capitalize or add line breaks or just ignore it plain and simple.

i cant really comment on what happened here a year ago because i wasnt here, but i gather from what others (not just bucc) have said that this is a pattern with you. let me ask you this: is thinking that you are the victim of a GR/forum conspiracy (do you even realize how ludicrous this is???) also a pattern with you or is this somthing new?

so listen weaksauce.....i think your a dumbass now (based on what YOU, not bucc or anyone else, said) and ive only been aware of you for about a week. it seens that in two years time you have managed to convince a lot of others of the same thing. weaksauce (yes i do mean you, bondo, if you havent noticed yet), this post is just another proof, if any was needed, that when the stupidity of your arguments is exposed, you go bitching about somthing completely irrelvevant and tangential to the discussion, like whether i use capitals and line breaks and the fact that there are people on this forum who are convinced you are a dumbass (for which you have noone to blame but yourself).

     I've got to post quickly--I'm late for school. Forgive please.

     I'd like to begin by saying, "Bondo, you drama queen."

     I shall continue by saying that, as far as I'm concerned, I read Bondo's posts just like I read anyone else's. When there is a debate in progress, Bondo, you'll notice that the "Class A" group of posters make, and expect, reasoned arguments not opinions. If an A poster ventures an opinion, it will be clearly deliniated as such. The Class A posters check their facts, they word their statements carefully, they, in short, write closely-reasoned arguments. All other posters... don't. You, Bondo, fall into the latter category. You're a high-quality "other" poster, in that you have opinions and argue for them, but your posts will be demolished by the "A" posters because you don't bother to close your loopholes, secure your arguments, check your facts, or separate fact from opinion. The A posters expect a high standard of quality, and hold themselves and others to it. You are a B poster being treated as an A poster. It looks as though you are being unduly picked on (and, sometimes you are), but for the most part, you are being treated no more harshly than (for example) Ace or I would be if we posted a flawed argument similar to one of yours.

     Tighten up your rhetoric, and you'll find that things will be different.

Ace, I've never claimed to be leaving for good so thus I've never gone back on my word.  I said I was leaving the Black Ops for good, and outside of one recent thread I have maybe two posts there when I felt they were necessary.  Other than that I've left outside of any claim that I was going to and thus am free to come and go as I please.

I won't directly reply to the rest because it is more proof that none of you get it.  You are all ignorant to join along into the downfall of the forum.  My points being weak is just an illusion.  You can reply to any argument the way Bucc does and say it is weak.  That doesn't make it weak.  How hard is it do see that he uses OPINION as reasons for my posts to not be strong.  Either that or he uses semantics.  Take the thing with Zait arguing over whether all or some European countries didn't support the war...making the assumption that Zait meant the goverments not the publics...choosing the option that made the argument seem weaker.  How can so many people be so blind to what is going on.

I'll work a little backwards here.  I have to disagree with this totally.  If I were to change my style because of your post, that would be admitting I agreed with you.  By doing what I feel is right, and in the proper way (in my opinion), I'm only proving that I don't agree with you.


You do a disservice.  I think that Loth, Info-man, Assassin, Jeb and a few others deserve credit for pointing out bullshit where they see it.  I don't want to hog the spotlight.  They all deserve some applause as well for cutting through it.


Hypocrite is a buzz word?  Ok.  According to Webster, a Hypocrite is "A person given to hyprocisy.".  So let's see what Hypocrisy is.  "The practice of professing beliefs, feelings or virtues that one does not hold or possess."  

So, pardon me using a buzz word.  But it happens to fit you Bondo.  I've proven it time and time again, using your own quotes.  You tell me I'm a bad person for calling someone a name, or insulting them, but you've done the exact same thing.  As I just recently pointed out, your first comments ever to abe were to tell him to get his lips off my ass and call him an asshole.  You've also said how you only pay attention to the point, and not trivial details, but wont read someones post, because he didn't use proper paragraphs (which, he didn't use line breaks).  So, even if Hypocrite was a buzz word, it happens to fit you to a tee.  It's not like I call you it and don't prove it, every time.

Well, since I've only seen this side of Bander, from my point of view, it is exactly how he really is.  He came in flaming, from post number one.  My first responses to him were not calling him a dumbass or anyother names, that didn't come until after, when he kept ignoring any logical or reasonible posts, and just flaming away.  So, I don't think one of your so called asses created this problem.  I think it was Bander.  He seems to lack the ability to actually debate anything with someone that doesn't agree with him, he just likes to stir up the flames.  Which is why i've started to ignore him.


Ah, here's where you get your wish Bondo, here's were you get me to tell you this was a stupid point.  You say you weren't here, and don't know, but you still use it as an example.  That's just plain stupid.  Let me bring up something I admittedly don't know about, and try to use it to prove a point.  DUH.  Happy?


Bondo, don't you get tired of beating this same old drum?  You want the forums to think I'm a bad guy.  This is what, the thrid thread you've started like this?  Get over it.  You don't like that I point out where I think you are wrong.  Too bad.  You want to do somthing about it, break the cycle of being the dumbass that you talked about.  

Ever think that that power was in your hands all along?  That if the Dumbass Perception is the cause, you are capable of breaking that perception (if you aren't a dumbass, that is).  Instead of trying to turn people against me, or Ace, or anyone else, maybe you should reflect on being better yourself.  Afterall, by trying to turn people against me, you are only doing what you accuse us of.  Wouldn't that make you, yep, you guessed it, a hypocrite?

No, surprise me.  Instead of getting on your soapbox, and saying "see, he was an ass to me", try actually pointing out what I said that you think is wrong.  And why.  Can you do that?

Jeb, Bondo never called Grifter a dumbass, he called him one of the asses.

Bondo, I've seen no problems with people like Bander or Zait really so I can kind of see where you're coming from but you aren't totally correct.  You can't come in here and say that people are only dumbasses because some powerful people turn them into them.

That's like saying there are no dumbasses, which clearly isn't true.  They had to make posts to get people started and people like Rapid continue and continue never changing, which isn't really good to prove your point.  But I guess Rapid isn't the biggest dumbass, you can't come in here and say Rabid, SK and Mainman aren't dumbasses.

Dont get me wrong Bondo I do not hate you and try not to jump on the band wagon. It is true some of your ideas I find offensive. I do not think you are a bad person, I think you can just toughen up a bit. This analogy you have stated is interesting.

I repspect Zaitsev. I think it is great that this 14 year old has taken an interest into what is going on around him. He may be a bit ignorant about the world and wet behind the ears, but this interest can take him on a good path.

I very much respect Bander and can easily understand why he is so angry at Americans. It is no secret I am Russian. I get pms so often insulting me. GO BACK TO RUSSIA! RUSSIA SUCKS! RUSSIA IS AMERICA'S TOILET! Fuck Russians fuck you I hate you." Bander must get tons of pms and other "communications" like this to him. Being called a Sand Nigger or Camel Jockey and a terrorist. When people call him racial slurs and start insulting his country I can see why he gets upset. Eventhough I love America, I will insult it to get back at a dumbass mistake of an American like Spaz.

As for Rapid, he does deserve it, if that tk thing is true that happened on Ace's server, then well he sucks.

Right on the money with that one Loth.  I've gone after posts by you, loudnotes, tasty, cookie, abe, cosscak and many others just as hard as I have with Bondo or the others I consider dumbasses.  

Even though Bondo has said many times that I lable all those that don't agree with me as dumbasses, none of you have ever fallen into that category as far as I'm concerned.  Because while we can have a difference of opinion, when we've debated about things that difference comes not from ignoring the other side, or making VAST ERRORS (had to slip that in once), it comes from looking at both sides and measuring it against our own feelings and beliefes.  

Debating with people like you, Cossack and Ace (and plenty of others, don't feel slighted) makes me reexamine my position.  It makes me  look at things in a different light.  That's the point.  It's not to sway your opinion as much as it is to examine my own.  It only works when someone has well thought out and prestented arguments.  It also only works out when someone just admits to a flaw, not ignores it.  


Really?  So, real, heavilly moderated forums that I post in (say like the PMI forums which is a professional organization) would do all that to me, huh?  Thanks Typhy.  You know, it always means so much when someone of your vast experience shows me that my experience is worthless with posts like that.  

In case you didn't know it, when posting on some professional boards, if you don't agree with someones post, tearing it apart like I do is the EXPECTED method.  If someone is talking out their ass, making stupid assumptions about Earned Value Analysis, you are supposted to point that out.  Amongst other things, it is WHAT I GET PAID GOOD MONEY TO DO.  So I'm good at it.  

So please Typhy, don't tell me that if I act this way in a "real" forum, what would happen.  Because I have and it hasn't.  

Abe, be careful, or weaksause will be the next buzz word ;)

LOL. Hey Bondo dude - fat props for jumping in a smoking "bush" for me, and trying to "save" me. hehe - dude. I know more ybout that "dumbass" thing than most of the asses here. Remember who created the very first *DAMN site with mauti. *DAMN has become a respected clan, people discuss on our boards who practically "live" here (otherwise than me, and maybe you and some others). So let em have the joy to "dumbass" people. They dont have many other joys in their lives maybe.

I am actually proud on my funny DAMN forum "dumbass" status. if it would be for being an asshole for talking shit in general or being an ass in GR or somewhere else i would be worried maybe. But u explained it perfectly my friend:


Of course my view wasnt easy to "like" for americans after 9/11. But i didnt come up with my arguments for absolutely no reasons and not just to be funny and to insult american feelings right in that moment.

Rember all the fucking GR gamenames like: Talibankiller, Nuke Afghanistan, Fucking Afghans, Bomb Kabul etc. ?

Remember all the fucking anti arab shit?

Did you personally really expect from the bander u know to run around with an idiotic smile, assuming all is okay and bloaking with the horde while a war was gathering over my fathers home country?

Did anyone except some local asses who arent worth a word in the real word that i would just sit there and say: yes terrible. kill em all now?

Look: In your very well written post Bondo, you basically point out one thing:

It may happen to you to be a "dumbass" in this forum, and elsewhere when you speak out your personal view of things - ESPECIALLY if it doesnt fit into the picture of the majority. Thats why i listen to punk & rap music instead to brittney spears hehe. If this makes me a "dumbass" i will be proud on it.

Beside this: I posted a "Bander Manual" in the "Patriot Act" thread. For people to need one to handle the "Bander".

And to cossak: Tnx for your words my friend. I also do respect u - but i never got a single badmail so far. When i enter GR a lot of people i never talked before message me permanently, but they are all cool - i have my friends here on the boards who i know since 3 years or less, and who are my friends no matter what bush does or not, and no matter if i dislike that or not.

And so i dont really care a bit about any dumbassism here about me.

I send u all a friendly LOL, and some hugs to my buddys ~

Bander

Bander, you just proved my point. Just because some ignorant fucks run around bashing Arabs, that doesn't mean you have to stoop to their level and bash Americans for no reason. Since you obviously aren't above that, I lump you in with the dumbasses. Pretty simple actually.

PS - Go back to Russia Coss, you dirty communist. Go share something or whatever you commies do. You might interfere with my mighty capitalism, bwahahaha.

PPS - I still want to hear how Bucc and I are such dicks and only care about the "inner circle" for hosting Macclans and a GhR server respectively

A Macclans and GhR server that you boot people you don't like from.  Rapid, Typhy, and I are all banned from Macclans and from what I hear you are booting people you don't like from your games.  Such a "service" you do for us.

Bucc, you say it is your job to point out when people say incorrect things about whatever it is you do...good for you, but that is a job, this is a Mac Gaming forum...it is NOT necessary to act like you do here.

Let me give you the bottom line.  You can disagree, you can even think someone's post is dumb, but there is NO need to insult them and criticize them for that.  On another forum I post at there was an Evolution/Creation debate and there were some strongly religious people in there and also people like me who are purely seeing the scientific side.  But guess what, it remained polite because no one at that forum feels the need to attack other people's point of views.  In fact, if they did, they would have their posts moderated with a warning, and then banned.  Typhy is correct that at most forums that actually have rules that behavior isn't accepted.  Why is it so hard for you to try to be civil Bucc?

You think I'm saying all this just to make you look bad?  No, I'm hoping that perhaps some people could see that they are making the forum hostile rather than friendly.  I don't see why "going after posts" is something that needs to be done.  Couldn't you just ignore posts that you consider below you Bucc?  Or perhaps just state a different view of things in a post of your own rather than specifically attacking what someone says?  Really, is a little civility too much to ask?

Wow, I just love it when you are always wrong.  Typhy isn't banned from MacClans (unless he upset the firewall and I don't know about it).  Rapid was banned by Deadeye for violating the TOS, which he did.  He even got warnings first.  You also aren't banned from MacClans.  So, where do you make this shit up at?

As for Ace keeping AK off his server, he already said he is boycotting them.  You know, avoiding the problem.  You even suggested this as a way to handle these kinds of things long ago.  Now Ace is wrong for doing it?  I also suppose that the fact that Rapid came on Aces server and TK'd a shitload before (and on Loth's host as well) is no reason.  Please give it a rest.  The people that have been booted have been booted for a reason.  You may not agree with the reason, but talk about it, don't make up bullshit.


It's not necessary, but that doesn't make it wrong.  It's not necessary to say please and thank you, but that doesn't make that wrong either.  It's also not necessary to act like a drama queen, but you do that great (it's not your job, just your lifestyle I guess).  So what.  So what if it is not necessary.  I don't happen to think it's wrong either.  


I don't find it necessary or even attractive to be civil to people that aren't.  Especially to hypocrites.  Why is it so hard for you to be civil Bondo?  You fail at it as much as anyone.  Examples have been given.


Easy.  I don't see what's wrong with going after posts.  Going after points people have made isn't uncivil and insulting (that comes much later, and you have done your share to earn it).  You are making a huge assumption.  That there is something wrong with this.  That it is a bad thing.  It's not.  It's a style.  You don't have to like it.  

And, to bring this back once again.  Why don't you just ignore it?  Can't you ignore these little things and just concentrate on the points?  Really, is a little tolerance too much to ask?

You see Bondo, everything that you are saying is exactly what you aren't doing.  You continue to be very much the hypocrite.  Ever think that maybe you contribute to making the forum hostile rather then friendly?  No, not you.  

Get off your soapbox.  Answer some of my previous points.

A) tell us how your treatment of Abe (for example) wasn't insulting and hypocritical
B) tell us why it's so bad to work with what other peple have written (it's not like I don't correct them and add my own opinions.  I'm not just pointing and saying "you are stupid, you made that mistake".  Like I showed you in another thread, I went on to show the ideas.)
C) tell us why people on your side of the argument always should get more understanding then people on my side of the argument?  It's not like I saw you defending PY when he made some dumbass comments that were wrong and was being attacked.  Hmm.
D) tell us why you don't break this cycle, since it's your theory.

My post is right up there.  Not hard to find.  Come on.  I address your points, don't ignore mine (like usual).

bondo,
ace owns that computer if he doesn't want any ak playing on it then it is his decision, besides all i ever here from typhy is how much GHR sucks  ;D so i don't see the big deal.

I admin that server also and i ban people who tk or spam, its for the good of all the people who love playing on it. <sarcasm>I guess that a server that hosts 36 people easly (usualy 15+ people playing) is a grave disservice to the community bondo , same for using bandwidth and time to host clan websites</sarcasm>.

I haven't been checking the forums lately but i haven't noticed a hostil environment like you claim. If your still mad about the whole iGirlfriend thing then sort that out privatly instead of making a flamewar against ace and bucc which will suposibly get them in some kind of trouble.  Who gives a shit, move on.

Uhh, if I'm not banned from Macclans then why can I not log into my account there?  Oh right, because I'm banned.  Nice try to lie.

As for why I don't try to "break this cycle".  Simple, I can't break it.  I post intelligent logical points and they still get attacked.  This isn't an isolated thing where if I do something then everything is made better.  Nothing I can do will change what you do Bucc, you are the one who needs to change for the cycle to be broken.

Umm, because the old forums are long gone?  Because nobody can?  Take your pick.  I have the banned list up right in front of me and it has three IP's (or subnets) on it.  So unles you are on the exact same subnet as Rapid, or have moved to France or Germany (where I have a little hacker wannabe problem) then you are not banned.  

Nice try, but wrong again.


As for breaking the cycle, yes, you can.  Quit being the dumbass.  You said that we create you, that you then follow the cycle.  If it's a cycle, you can break it.

Thanks again for never answering any of my points.  (try it, you may break the cycle).

I'm going to give you another example of why you are more the root cause of the problems here Bondo.

Bander admits to his insulting ways.  Bander comes in and insults all Americans with his comments, starting up flame wars.  You defend him.  You make comments like "well, if you knew him like I knew him".  What is this?  You make exceptions for the people you like?  That are on your side??

Bondo, I attack all arguments I think are bullshit.  Including the ones posted by people I like (Cossack for example) and people on my side (Kilzo for example).  I have a style.  You don't like it.  Buy you have a style too, of playing the poor, wounded drama queen.  And of posting weaksause (credit to Abe) arguments with over generalizations.  And of being a hypocrite.  So, while I sit here, and point these things out, you just ignore them.  When I ask for a response to them, you continue to ignore them.  You know you are wrong.  Be a man, admit it and move on.  

If anything will break a cycle, that will.

     I say unto thee, BULLSHIT. Intelligent is arguable. You are capable of thinking; you're not retarded. I consider you quite intelligent. But logical? "Log-i-cal: 1. Of, relating to, in accordance with the nature of logic. 3. Reasoning or capable of reasoning in a clear and consistent manner." "Log-ic: 1. The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning." You present arguments without evidence; present opinions as facts; present emotion as reason. You flagrantly and frequently employ logical fallacies in your arguments. You ignore the content of arguments which show your arguments to be flawed; instead of refining your statements, you attack the poster, their grammar, or you simply whine about the abuse you're suffering.

     Your opinions may be perfectly valid, or they may not. That is entirely beside the point. If you supported your opinions with facts and reasoning instead of simply vomiting them forth, then you would be making a contribution to the discussion at hand. In reality, virtually every post I've ever seen you make in any "serious" thread consists of something along the lines of, "You are wrong! You are wrong! I am right! You are wrong! I think that X course of action would be best in the situation at hand, and I don't need to prove that, because I am right!" Since you've long since stopped reading this post because I'm telling the unvarnished truth, I'd like to take this opportunity to say zucchini popsicle bikini wax. Then someone disagrees with you, and you start in with the, "Wah! Wah! I am right! How could you be so stupid, insensitive and American as to disagree with me! Wah! It's a conspiracy! Wah! I make posts just as well as you guys do, but you alllllll hate me! Wah!"

     You lack rigor. Try supporting your arguments once (with facts and reason, that is, not with "I think it is so, thus it is so") and see what happens. Until you try that experiment, you cannot make any factual statements about why you are being picked on.

I would like to offically welcom Mr Lothario to the Loyal Order of Assing and the Inner Forum Circle.  Now pass the zucchini popsicle and the bikini wax   ;D

Jeb, I play GHR from time to time, I don't like it very much, but when I don't feel like restarting to OS9, and don't feel like playing MOH, SOF2 or RTCW, then I play some GHR. Sure it's his server, he's a dumbass for banning people who he's never spoken to, but it's still his choice. However, how can you call something a 'service to the community' when they ban everyone that they don't like?

 Ok, here we go with a little more time:



Either I don't understand this, or you don't understand what Bondo's been saying for the past 24 hours. For starters, as not to sound to dumb with these comments, seeing as I'm not 100% sure of the meaning of your comment, Here's what I think it is: You don't like being considered a dumbass? Then become an ass, follow the cycle, 'create' dumbasses out of us. Am I correct? If not, ignore what I say in the remainder of this paragraph, and explain what the hell you do mean. Bondo has clearly stated that he doesn't like the "art of assing". Why would he want to become one in response to you guys? I bring back the common 'parent ( or teacher ) to child phrase; "Treat others as you want to be treated". Bondo does that, he makes his posts in a respectful matter. He's there for the argument, not to make personal attacks.

 

I'll agree with you in a certian sence here, Bucc. The way Bondo argues, he only response to things that he knows he can have an effective argument against. But, let me say this, he's not the only one. I watch Assassin argue, he'll never accept when the oposing side of the argument has a good point, he'll simply ignore it and focus on anything the he feels he can argue against. Then there's Ace, who takes it to an extreme in the other direction. Wombat's reason for not liking Ace is much the same as mine for not liking his posts; "he argues with facts". Ace doesn't just focus on what part of the argument he thinks he can win, he focus' on the whole thing, and argues against anything, he'll never accept when the other side has a point, and will rarely just ignore it.


As I adressed earlier. . . You're not doing a service to the community, you're doing a service to a selective group of your friends. Unban me and any others who you have ban for no reason, and I will accept it, and agree that you're doing a service for the community.

Back to something that Bondo brough up earlier that I would like to comment on. Rapid is a perfect example of a 'created dumbass'. Rapid and I have our disagreements, our arguments, etc. But we always drop it after a while. You guys won't let anything go. I did a test a few weeks back, to see just how much stuff people would say against Rapid when he wasn't on GameRanger, and hadn't been on recently. I have my screen shots to apear on my desktop in OSX, after 3 days of that, the screen shots were stacking on top of eachother, because there was no more room. I took them and counted them up. 94 screen shots. . . Pretty sad, that's an average of 31 1/3 per day. These aren't just little comments, these are anytime that someone changes their name to an anti Rapid name, or when multiple people start having an anti Rapid convorsation in the main chat. I'm usually on about 2 hours per day, so, if you figure that, you guys average 15 1/3 anti Rapid comments per hour. . .   - That's 1 every 4 minutes.

I'll add more to this post, as well as edit it after class.

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Bucc and Ace, if running MacClans and the GhR server respectively is a sign of you being good, then I might as well ask...which has been more important to the community...those, or the DAMN Battle League.  I am positive it is the latter.  A Battle League which I suggested to Mauti and I drew up the original rules to, and which I, a year or so later, helped recreate into a more competitive form.  If service to the community forgives problems, then I guess I've got my get out of jail free card for life.

Also, I just want to state something.  Until my second semester of 8th grade had only gotten straight As.  From then on through High School I had a 3.7 GPA, I have a 3.7 GPA through 58 credits in college.  I got a 1350 PSAT a 29 ACT, and score between 135-140 on real IQ tests.  In all the years, many my teachers have made a point of telling me how much they enjoy having me in class and that I'm one of their best and brightest students.  And guess what,  a big part of my education involves making arguments.  If I was a dumbass who couldn't make arguments like you claim I am, would I have these high marks to show for it?  No.  Sorry, but I think I'll take the hundreds of proofs in grades, teachers, and peers outside this forum as more reliable than a few people on this one.  I think I'll take the opinion especially of licensed teachers and PhDs then a teens and twenty-somethings.  Dumbass?  I think not.

LMAO Bondo, do you think you are special?  Do you think you are the only one to get straight A's?  Do you think you are better then us with a 3.7 GPA half way through college?  I graduated with a higher GPA then that.  I got an academic scholarship.  I was in the honor college.  Hell, I carried a 3.8 for my MASTERS degree.  I also out scored you on the ACT and IQ tests.  So what.  Yippy Fucking Deal.  I know guys with PhD's that are dumbasses (being an expert in something doesn't make you automatically not a dumbass).  I'll take the opinion of PhD's that are my peers, certified professionals that I work with.  Oh, and I'm not a "twenty-something".  

I don't claim any status at all from MacClans.  It's just something I do.  I was only correcting your mistakes in the comments you made about it.  Jeb, who made the comment, was remarking about the time, money and effort we continue to put in though, not a suggestion we made years ago.

And, no matter what you say, you still haven't even tried to disprove any of my points.  You just keep on your rant.  Come on Bondo, try to disprove my arguments.  This is another request for you to drop the theatrics and talk about some issues Bondo.  Can't you manage to do that??

You are right, you didn't get it, so I'll try to be more clear.  Bondo argued that it was a cycle.  That once they were anointed a "dubmass" they perpetuated the cycle by living up to it.  In other words, after being called a dumbass, they acted like them.  That is the cycle.  Cycle being something that goes round and round, not just a one time cause and effect.  I'm not trying to talk down to you, just trying to be clear, so please don't take it that way.

Now, if it is a cycle, like any cycle, it can be broken.  And he has the power to break it by not acting the part of the dumbass.  Get it?  If he didn't act like the dumbass, he wouldn't be called the dumbass, and the cycle is then broken.


Bullshit.  Bondo has made plenty of personal attacks, and not just on me.  I've even quoted them for him.  He just ignores that fact.  It's why I call him (rightfully so) a hypocrite.


Being wrong in company is still being wrong.  I don't happen to agree with your examples, but it doesn't matter right now.  The point is, you see what I'm takling about.


No Typhy, there is a reason.  You just don't agree with the reason.  

For example, I host quite a few clans.  There are a couple clans I host with people I really don't like.  But I host them.  Deadeye didn't host AK for a couple reasons.  Rapid didn't care and went on his rant blaming me and everything under the sun, but Deadeye still had his reasons in the first place.

Now, there is a boycott AK theme that I actually started right in these forums.  For a reason.  Because I see that 90% of the problems that go on seem to have AK involved in one way or another.  People are always complaining about problems with CB'ing AK.  So, I said that they should either suck it up, knowing your reputation, or avoid the situation.  So, that's the path Ace has chosen (and Jeb, the first to Boycott AK, long before I ever mentioned it).  He has chosen to just keep your clan out of it.  It's not like Rapid hasn't come on and TK'd before this decision.  And we've all read the AK web site, where he used to encourage the clan to TK clans that he doesn't like.  So, him being the leader of your clan, and you freely choosing to follow that clan and leader, why shouldn't you (along with the rest of your clan) be banned?


Here's why I disagree with you.  Rapid went on his rants about me and MacClans before I ever talked to him.  I told him Deadeye's reasons and he got on his rant that I (not Deadeye, but me) was holding a grudge.  Now, no matter what I tried to say to him, or reason with him, he didn't want to.  He seems to be much happier with his version of the story then working anything out.  Later, he crossed some lines that he isn't going to make it back from, but that isn't why he's a dumbass.  He's a dumbass because he doesn't know how to actually listen to anyone that disagrees with him.  He's a dumbass because everytime he comes back here, he stirs up shit in his posts.  Sure, people hate him and talk about him.  So what.  He brings that upon himself.  He's been caught in many lies.  Or do you think he is justified in what he's done in regards to me?  That he tried to talk and work things out?  I'm not going to defend anyone else and why they think Rapid is a dumbass, but I'll speak to my own case.  So, Typhy, do you think Rapid was right?  Or did he earn it?

Your points are the same things I've replied to many times.  But I'll touch on a few to make you happy.

First off, good job on having better scores than me.  I wasn't saying I was smarter than you or anyone here, just that I'm no dumbass.

You say I'm a hypocrite for telling you not to insult people.  Calling you uncivil or an ass isn't an insult, it is saying the truth...you even accept those terms.  I'll stop calling you an asshole when you stop being an asshole.  (And I suppose you'll reply that you'll stop calling me a dumbass when I stop being a dumbass...but I've never been a dumbass other than in your mind).

Hmm, you say I'm not banned from MacClans...but at some point in the past 6 months I was.  I don't know if you unbanned me, but I was informed of being banned.

You talk about me being able to break the cycle...you never seem to read my reply to this.  Regardless of how well formed my arguments are, you will break them apart like you always do and call me a dumbass.  I've seen it done.  Just because you can break my argument apart and use your own opinions to say mine are wrong, not facts.  That is the big thing.  I spend 10 minutes on the forums a few times a day, I don't have the time nor desire to spend an hour researching every point in every post I make to see that you can't say anything about it.  Neither do most people.  If I was like you, I could pick apart anybody's post and make it look weak too.  Don't you see that the weakness of a post is only an illusion.

Also, for me it has nothing to do with which side of the argument that you are on.  I don't treat one side different from the other.  Like I said about Zait, I take the point as a whole rather than taking it apart to see if there are any elements that aren't strong.  I do the same with opposing viewpoints, I take the overall point.

 Bah, just wrote this out a few minutes ago, hit preview, and then accidently quit out. :(

Ok, here we go. . . Again.



Well, judging from what you say, the "reason" you have me ban because you don't like Rapid. So do you have AngryDad, Eric, Monk, and Skunkney ban? They're AK, so they're associated with Rapid who you don't like. . . Or is there more to it? Is it because I'm the PR guy, so I have to take the beating?


Hmm, that doesn't seem to be affecting us much. . . Last time I checked ( About 30 seconds ago ), we're in first place, and hold the longest winning streak in the history of the *DAMN Battle League. . . So far all I've seen the "boycott" thing be used as is an excuse not to CB us; *NADS told me they were CBing us, then Justin logs on, and we have a great CB. It's just used as another excuse, right up there with "Same reason no1 else will cb u, ur 2 freaking good!!!!!!!!"

You show your lack of knowledge on this issue when you say that Jeb was the first one to boycott us, the IAM clan was the first ones, because "Typhy's host is 2 tin cans and some string", after we beat them 6-1 in a 5v5 earlier. The 1 reason why clans want to 'boycott' AK is because they don't want to go through the embassasment of losing. - They'll say "we just don't like you, so we don't want to CB you", well, if you don't like us, why don't you come beat us? Oh yeah, you know that you can't beat us.

The origonal reason that the (unt clan wouldn't CB us is because aparently we used aimbots and armor mods in the CB, kinda odd how they seem to think that they know better than I would, since I was there, and hosting.

More later.

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     Way to play to type, Bondo. Bucc responded to your "arguments," and you ignored every word he said.





     Hey, the pot's calling the kettle black!


     So do it. That takes rhetorical skill, something you've so far shown to be markedly lacking in. I would enjoy seeing it.


     Subjectivity? There-are-no-standards-so-anything-is-acceptable? Please. I said before, and I'll repeat it here because I know you didn't read it, the "A" posters expect rigor and care in arguments. You employ neither. Therefore, your arguments are weak. Therefore, they are demolished handily. Therefore, you complain.


     Once again, I call bullshit on you. I've seen you, within the past few days, delightedly agree with the most careless arguments if they aligned with your views, and make personal attacks against the posters of arguments that did not.

     Yadda yadda yadda. This argument has been started and beaten to death in many a thread. The short version: it seems like only AK and rank noobs think that AK is "2 freaking good!!!!!!!!". ::shrug:: If you want to think that, that's your prerogative, but it is fallacious to assume that everyone is avoiding your clan because you're legends in your own minds.


     Given your longtime position as AK's mouthpiece, do you honestly think that your word holds any water at all? I enjoy talking with you, but if you told me the sky was blue, I wouldn't agree until I'd gone and looked for myself.

     OMG OMG OMG! Bondo, look look! Bucc is demolishing someone else's argument just like he does yours! Wow, maybe your conspiracy theory is just a LOAD OF CRAP!

Typhy,
i'm not sure how going from bondo and bucc talking about inteligence to your attempt to create even more of a pissing match started but... The reason cunt or many other clans have boycotted you is because it takes all the whining, bitching, and problems from gaming. I've been happy having both you and rapid on ignore on gameranger, and ignoring your in any other way i can. I'm sure your happy not having to deal with me aswell.

Ace has seen all the flamewars, and problems with your name on it, so why wouldn't he want to protect himself and the people who play on his server? Rapid comes onto ace's server (and loths) and tks the shit out of everyone. Oh and he has been online under his fake name "9mm" and "smiff & wesson" which he uses to further upset the users of ace's kickass server. Btw, you can read the full story (which i'm to lazy to type at http://ak.macclans.com )

As for bondo, you are smart, but your one arogant mother fucker. I remember a few months back when you were saying how Evill would never ban you because the GR community would be so outraged that you got banned that everyone would quit using GR. Well you got banned for a month and then what? No one gave a shit. All your arguements are "i'm right your wrong" bondo. If you weren't so emotional maybe you could defend yourself against bucc.

Jeb, I was only banned for 1 week.  And I never said what you claim me to have said...you misquote.

Loth, I never said Bucc only did this to me, I think right from the start I said he does it to a number of people.

As for me being a pot calling the kettle black saying Bucc never seems to see my replies...I'm pretty sure Bucc is the one who constantly insults me for not reading his, so perhaps he is the pot.  I've never claimed to read everything Bucc posts in every thread.

As for the A poster thing, that is subjective...you apparently think they are weak because perhaps you have a different opinion about some of my premises.  But like I said, any subjective argument can be seen as weak if having a different opinion negates the first opinion.

no bondo, i didn't misquote you,
you went into a whole big rant about how evill is scared to ban you since you are good friends with mauti. And how everyone would rally for your cause if  you got banned.  But you were wrong in both cases

But you did misquote me.  I never said everyone would quit GR.  I did say there would be outrage...and there was.

  After reading Lothario's well thought out and intelligent posts, your's seem even dumber than usual, Jeb.


I am indeed enjoying not having to deal with you, and being able to consider your comments irrevelant because you won't accept hearing mine. The only reason I don't have you on ignore is because I wouldn't want to miss something as funny as your sex talk with Rabid.

About the subject of Ace's server, I've played on that from time to time, it pays off to have multiple accounts all with different names. It's pretty good, lags not bad, I ping it right about 250. But, it's a newbie magnet. Half the people there can't even tell the teams apart. In regards to Rapid "coming onto Ace's server to TK", if Rapid was 9mm, then why did he TK me 4 times? He knows of the alias that I was using, why would he TK me?



Loth, I don't even remember who said that, although I'm pretty sure that it was some newbie. Are top clans afraid of us? Hell no. FiRE doesn't back down, RnT doesn't back down, KoS doesn't back down, and AgT doesn't back down. That was just the first turn down quote that came to my mind when I was writing out that post.

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I'll edit this when I have time, I'm  about to get in trouble for threatning to throw my sister off of the roof. :(

Way to not get it Typhy.  I don't have you banned at all and you damn well know it.  Deadeye banned you in the past, and I lifted it, as you damn well know.  So anything that starts with me having you banned is bullshit.  

If you are talking about Boycotting CB's or not even playing with AK, the AK clan, of which you are a part, is too often found in the center of trouble.  I, myself, chose to not play with AK's, and wont CB AK's, because I don't want to put up with the crap.  Like I said, look at your own web site and how it reccomends TK'ing people from Clans Rapid doesn't like.  All members from those clans.  So, as long as someone supports that and is associated with AK, I don't think I should be forced to associate with them.

I'll give you the ever popular nazi example.  If you were a neo-nazi, I'd chose not to associate with you.  Not because I thought you were as bad as Hitler.  But because you chose to associate yourself with him.  I'm not calling Rapid Hitler either, in this anology he'd just be the local head goose-stepper.  I'll give you another example.  If I was very against the catholic church, and you were a priest, why should I want to or be forced to associate with you.  (in that analogy, Rapid can be the pope).  It doesn't really matter what group you belong to.  If I don't agree in what your group does, how it acts, and who leads it, I don't have to associate with the group.  Same as store owners and resturants having the right of refusal of services.  They aren't public places, they are private property.  

You have the right to protest it and start a boycott of Ace's server.  But he's still not wrong.  You chose to make yourself part of that group, it's not like he has banned ex-AK's.


Doesn't matter, and you missed the point.  The point is boycotting is a nice, peaceful way to demonstrate our disaproval.  It's not my fault, nor my concern that some people fall for childish insults and taunts that they are too afraid and using it as an excuse.  It's not an excuse.  I've only seen Rapid and Monk play GhR, and I wasn't impressed.  Rapid got his ass handed to him worse then Spaz.  So, I'm not afraid.  Maybe I just don't like him, or what I fell is the typical AK bullshit, and don't want to deal with it.  Gosh, maybe it's just that simple.


Well, I stand corrected.  I was just trying not to take credit for an idea I posted that wasn't my own.  But I don't know IAM and will take your word that they were the first to boycott you.

So, like I said Typhy.  You don't have to agree with our reasons.  But I'm not a little kid that can be brought down by a little taunting either.  I have no respect for AK as a clan, and I have plenty of reasons, which we could talk about for a long time.  Since I have little to no respect for the clan, why should I play or CB with them?  Why should Ace let them on his server?

Well, Loth did a pretty damn good job of pointing out most of the bullshit, but I just want to add a few more comments.

 

Way to skim.  Now, instead of looking at my scores, look at what I wrote about about them and what it doesn't prove.  Loth got it.


I say you are a hypocrite because you have double standards.  I've pointed out examples and quoted the hell out of you insulting with no argument whatsoever.  I've pointed out and quoted your first post to Abe (which example you keep ignoring).  I call you a hypocrite because you are one.  Look at your own example.  You'll keep insulting me as long as you think I'm an asshole, but I shouldn't insult you even if I think you are a dumbass.  How is that not a double standard??  The reason I'm not a hypocrite is because I'm not crying "don't insult me".  You insult me, you insult others.  Then you admonish me for doing it.  I've given you plenty of examples in the past, want more?


Actually, pointing out your mistakes takes no time at all.  It's pathetically easy all too often.  The part that usually takes the longest is flipping back a few pages to find the quote where you said what you are now disregarding.

Oh, and it's not like you only get one little point wrong, there are usually so many I have to pick and chose which ones to point out.


Gawd, you are so full of it.  Of course Bondo, you are right.  Your posts are the very rock.  It's just a mirage that makes them look and smell like such bullshit.  How could I have been so blind?  

Wow, much sarcasim, but what the hell, when you say you make strong arguments then pull that kind of crap, I actually laughed my ass off.


BULLSHIT.  WEAKSAUSE.  DUMBASS.  LIAR.  

You completely ignore the VAST ERRORS (I told you that statement was going to haunt you) in Zaitsev's posts, then refuse to read Abe's.  I've quoted you on it.  Do I need to show it to you again?

Also, just look above for another good example.  You talk about the grades and completely miss my point about them meaning nothing.  You didn't address my point at all, you ignored it completely, just repeating yours.

You hold one hell of a double standard.  For you and those that agree with you, you overlook their shortcomings, turn a blind eye to their insults, and require a lower standard of post.  (examples, Bander's insults, Zaitsev's bad writing and blatent errors), but say you wont read Abe's post, tell me you wont read all of mine because they are too long, complain about my style, complain about my insults (while you and Bander are free to insult), ok, do I really need to go on.

You never touch my real points or my examples Bondo.  You go around them.  That's one great example on why your arguments are weak.

bah,

weaksauce, i still dont get why you cant get over the fact that people don't have a problem with your opinions, but with the way you argue them.

even if you are ultimately right about the issues, the fact that you possess the debating skills of a five-year old just makes it pointless discussing anything with you.

 lothario gave u some tips that you could also learn in english class or from a writing textbook....i suggest you keep them in mind next time you post. that way you could avoid being called a dumbass and participate meaningfully in the debate.

you have convinced me (didnt even take you long) that you are not only a mindless kneejerk-liberal, who doesnt think for himself, but also that youre a giant sissy for bitching like a little girl when people make fun of your half-assed logic and poor argumentative skills. this is why, in my opinion, you merit the label weaksauce and i will keep calling you that until you prove me wrong....and this thread and every whiney little reply of yours just convinces me even more that you that its a pretty apt description.

Way to skim your own post...you asked if I thought I was better than you.  I replied that I didn't.  And I noticed your point that it didn't have anything to do with being a dumbass.  But I also thought that was bullshit.  In my original point I specifically mentioned that if I couldn't make a logical argument like you claim I can't then I wouldn't have those grades.  So thus I was proving that I wasn't a dumbass because I make logical arguments.


I apologized to abe about that.  Also, I don't think you are an asshole, it is apparent fact and something you relish in...on the other hand my being a dumbass is completely subjective.  You really aren't reading if you think I'm admonishing you for insulting.  Insulting can be acceptable in a proper context.  I was saying insulting in the context of assing with everything else that goes along with assing is not acceptable.


I never claimed my posts were the only possible opinion.  There is a big difference between my posts not being weak which they aren't and being absolute, which they aren't.


That had nothing to do with view.  Zait's was properly written with capitals, periods, and spaces between paragraphs.  And I did read abe's.  And I treated it exactly the same...I read all of it I could read (there was german and other oddities) and once again took the whole of it and didn't pick any detail out.  You say you've made an example to show that I'm wrong...but your example shows nothing at all


I skim Bander's posts too because they are hard to read...and I don't pick out details about anyone's posts.  I complain about your insults because they are specific and repetitive and directed at me.  If Bander or anyone else insulted me constantly I'm sure I would complain.

There, I touched all the points you made.

You don't like me because I use facts in my arguments. Hilarious, fucking hilarious. I'm truly at a loss for words on thise one.


Typhy, I banned you and the rest of AK because, guess what, that's what is better for everyone as a whole. Sure it makes it suck for you people in AK, but it makes the games more enjoyable for everyone else because we don't have to deal with the inevitable bullshit and strife that accompanies AK. The only other people I ban are TK'ers because *shock* they make it suck for everyone else playing too. BTW, anyone who leaves AK will be unbanned from my server; just ask iRunx.

Politics man, all politics.

Your insults are specific, repetitive and directed at me.  So for you to always be complaining about them still points out what a hypocrite you are.  

You also illustrate just how this is a problem you have with me personally, and that you still have a dual standard.  You've jumped in when I've insulted Zaitsev and Bander, calling me out, but you've never jumped on them for insulting in the first place (afterall, Bander did come in with the first insults).     You'll jump in when I'm involved, even when I'm not talking to or about you.  But not when these guys do.  Nice double standard.

This is why I target you the most.  Because of my personal contempt for the hypocrite.  They are found everywhere, but on these forums, you are by far their king, ok, queen.  


Not quite, but a much better job of it.  Now you just need to actually refute them with some arguments that aren't so weak.  Seriously, look how I go about proving that your grades don't keep you from being a dumbass, using your own argument against you.  That's a good example.  Look how I went through Zaitsev's post and showed how it wasn't just a little number mistake (like you accuesed me of) but showed all the HUGE GAPING HOLES in it.  I mean, you can agree with his opinion all you want, but his argument and letter to the editor was absolute shit.  You couldn't refute anything I said about it, but you still say it was wonderful.  You then tell me to lower my standards because it was not an academic piece (even though it was for homework or some such stuff).  

You say I prove nothing, but you can't prove my facts wrong when I tear into someone's post.  So you attack my style because you are at the brunt end of it often.  Those are pretty weak positions Bondo, and that's why you can't defend them.  That and because you do half what you accuse me of, which makes you look like a complete hypocrite and dumbass.

Oh, one more point for Typhy that slipped my mind earlier, but is very important to the AK discussion.

When ex AK members come to me and tell me that Rapid has been asking them to hack my server and bring it down, why in the hell should I accomidate an AK members?

As for why I would believe them, because they've never lied to me.  Rapid has.  They also have (as far as I know) no reason to lie to me or to suck up to me in any way.  No motivation to lie.  

One last thing.  I didn't mention 9mm as the Tk'er.  Rapid TK'd in games as himself.  As to why he'd TK you, well, he did suck that much, he could have even TK'd you on accident.  Not that it matters at all.

Well, I think it is hard for me to refute points...because that isn't objective.  It isn't like up to this point it isn't refuting and then there is suddenly a point when I have refuted them.

But this thread is getting a bit winded.  Here's my proposal Bucc.  I try my hardest (like I'm doing in the N. Korea/Iran thread) to be very consice with my points and have them be strong.  And you try to not feel the need to include ridicule in your questioning of points.  Think of it as an oppertunity to help educate rather than mock when someone gets something wrong (and I'm talking factually here not in opinion).  Anyway, I'm locking this thread...you can show agreement to proposal by going with it.

Apparently my ability to lock my own threads is gone...so I'll just ask that a moderator do it at some point.  Was going to add that this is my attempt to break the cycle as you put it...lets see if you are right and it is indeed in my power.

Bondo, I've never ridiculed you on the occasions that you've made good solid posts.  You even pointed it out before.  

Just like with your post about peacekeeprs, I didn't ridicule that at all, but said it was a good idea (it just took you two pages later to notice that.)

I don't ridicule to ridicule.  Making fun of everything is Jeb's hobby (and the basis of his clan).  I only ridicule what I find to be moronic, unsupported opinions and flagerant mistakes that are used to prove something.  And it doesn't matter who the poster was.  And yes, I am the judge of what I think are moronic, unsupported opinions and flaggerant mistakes (but a good example would be something like the English coming to our aid in the French Indian Wars, and that being a basis of an argument.  I will mock the hell out of that kind of crap)  (and yes, I know you didn't say that, I used an example that wasn't you on purpose).

Hehe, I had a good laugh about that one...I'll agree Zait has much to learn...but perhaps you can help him with that rather than discourage him?

I've tried, he hasn't bothered to pay attention (he asked the same question and got it answered three times in one thread) and has been insulting in the past as well.  So I see no reason to coodle (sp?) him.  He wants to act like a worldly man, I have no problem treating him like one.  And a worldly man that makes those consistantly stupid mistakes and ignores them would get (and rightfully so) as much mocking as I could muster.

Wordly women count too.  I don't discriminate.  Dumbasses have no age, gender, race, nationality or god in my opinion, they can be anywhere.  And aren't too hard to find.

 Ok, I'll just go straight down the list, like Bondo:



An interesting mix between dodging what I said, and changing it around. Another way to look at it would be a mix between Infection and Silent Killer. . . Anyway, I can tell that this will become a "yes" - "no" - "yes" - "no" argument, so I will leave it where it is and not continue if further.




Well I disagree with how argument, I'm glad that you actually took the time to respond to an argument that you are weak on. I'd like to start out by simply saying that I hate people who base their opinions of people based on what clan tag they have in front of their name. - I give Lothario the same respect that I did when he was in KoS, and Cringe the same as when he would give me IPs on AIM. The (unt clan has constantly disrespected me and my clan, do I take that out on any new member? No. So, Ace, tell me this; ( Mauti, I'll use you as an example, since we all love you ) if tomorrow *DAMN Mauti were to join AK and become |?K| Mauti, would he be ban from your server? I expect an answer to that question.




Bucc, I don't believe I was talking to you, and if I was, I'm sorry, it was a mistake on my part. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't have a big problem with you. Sure I consider you a bit of an asshole for the way that you've treated my friends, but only so much can be based on how you treat them, much of it has to be based off of how you treat me, which in general has been pretty good.




Very poor examples in my opinion, so I'll play along with a few of my own: I used to be a Bulls fan, back when they were good, with Pippen, Jordan, Kerr, etc. I hated the Spurs; as the Bulls team was breaking up, Kerr was signed by the Spurs, however, he remained one of my favorite players. It didn't matter that he was a Spur, sure I'd go against his team, but I always liked to see him do well, and I never started to hate him just because of what team he's on.

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 I'd like to ask Ace to give me a list of any AK that he's had problems with, the only ones who I can think of that will be on that list are Rapid and myself. Currently AK is a clan with 16 members, should you base your opinions of 7/8ths of a clan on the actions of 1/8th? You got a problem with me? Ok, I think you're an asshole for putting me on block because we've disagreed on the forums, but at least you have a reason, weak as it is, a reason is a reason; however, you're saying that you block my whole clan? What's up with that? Even your ex SEAL, Vapor? Even Ex SWAT, MPE?


I've never seen anyone in my clan play GHR, why not? Because I hate GHR. Your talking about my team being bad at GHR is like me talking about how big I can own you all at MOH or RTCW ( You could consider yourselves lucky if you could get 1 kill of me in a 20 minute game at either of those ). Why doesn't that mean anything to you? Oh yeah, because those aren't the games that you play!



Do me a favor and read exactly what you wrote, several times if needed, until you see just how dumb it sounds. - When I host Rogue Spear, should I let only the people who I respect into my games? Hmm, that'd be probably 2 people; *DAMN Mauti and +-KoS-+ Ultimo. Is this whole thing about respect? I respect the people who have achieved more in this community than I have, I suppose you could probably throw Bondo into there too, since he's one of the people who helped to found the battle league. So, should I block everyone but buddies, then reduce my buddy list to 3 people? Biggest game I'd ever get is 3 people, since Bondo doesn't play Rogue Spear.  

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     Hehe. With all the words you can't spell, you question the spelling of that one? It's "coddle," by the way.

Loth, I think it's the first time I've ever used that word, and I had honestly no idea how to spell it.  Especially with the friday night buzz going.



Take your time and go back over it Typhy.  You were the one implying that Boycotting is an excuse to not play you guys.  I was pointing out that it has nothing to do with fear, since I'm not afraid, and that little taunts like that don't work on me (and I've seen those taunts in the Bar and Grill, by you and Rapid and other AK's.

So, what I'm saying is, it's not fear, it's that I don't like the clan.


Read and read.  Doesn't sound stupid at all.  Now you try it.


Well, that sucks to be you then Typhy.  Sorry to hear it.

But you don't have it quite right either.  I don't care who you want to play with or don't want to.  That's your business.  But why should you, or anyone else, tell us who we should play with?

Why should you, or anyone else, be able to make us play with people we don't respect, and don't  want to associate with?  I don't care if you want to play with people you don't like, but why should that apply to anyone else?

Another quick note: I notice you don't respect Rapid either.  There is still hope for you.

As for your sporting team analogy, it doesn't fit at all.  You belong, are a member of by choice, a group that believes and behaves in ways I don't agree with.  When I see the way your group acts (the few times I've seen them challenging people to CB or in games), I am repulsed by them.  So, if, say, Deadeye were to join the KKK, would I still be his friend?  No.  No matter how long we've known each other and been friends, his membership in that group would make me feel that I shouldn't associate with him socially.  Not only would I expect people to start assuming I was just as much of an asshole biggot, but I would be accepting him being an asshole biggot, which I would not.  

What part of that don't you get?  I don't blindly follow anything or anybody.  I would lay down my life for my friends if needed, but if they were assholes that I didn't agree with, I would chose to end the friendship.

And yep, if Mauti joined AK, I would expect to see him on the ban list right after.  

You may hate that there's a label on you because of your clan, but you are the one that put the label there.  You put those letters on your name.  So either you stand behind them, change them, or leave them.  But you still have the tag, and AK doesn't seem to have changed.  So you must then agree with them (at least more than not).

One last thing.  You talk about Ace ducking it.  But how about that little case of Rapid asking AK's to hack the MacClans server.  I noticed you ducking that one too.

First, to answer the Typhy's question, yes I would ban Mauti as soon as I saw him with the AK clan tag on.

I don't know how many times I have to tell you Typhy, I think your clan is a plague and a menace to the GhR/RS/R6 community. I'm doing what I can to get rid of that plague. This also includes not CB'ing you guys. Yes, the only ones I've had big problems with are you and Rapid, but so what? You guys are the leaders of AK and set the tone for the clan. Anyone who joins AK is buying into your bullshit, and therefore suck by association.

If you want to host your server and only let people you respect join, that's fine. (Interesting to note that you don't respect Rapid.) On the other hand, I let everyone play on my server except for those that A) I feel do harm to the community and B) I truly hate. AK and all the TK'ing assholes who have bans are in group A. So far Bander is the only one in group B, and unless Bondo starts playing GhR I don't think that group B will grow.

If you want to go by your sports analogy, I got a perfect example. Anyone who plays for the Dodgers can suck it long and suck it hard. For example, I respected Charles Johnson as a great defensive catcher when he was with Florida. When he got traded to the Dodgers, to steal a line from Deadeye, I wouldn't let him lick the sweat off my balls if he were dying of thirst. If you join an association that is truly evil and wrong, like the Dodgers or AK, then you lose out because of guilt by association.

Uhh, the Rockies have Charles Johnson...they got him in the Mike Hampton trade...or did I miss something.  I don't follow baseball that closely due to it sucking.

     Totally off-topic here, and I apologize, but is this thread displaying weirdly for anyone else? Starting on reply #46 and continuing to the latest, all the posts are smooshed to one side or the other, in small columns. This is the only thread affected, and I've never seen that before on this forum. I'm perplexed and annoyed.

Oh boy, this game sounds like fun!  Can I play too?

Here, let me break down everyone's points into quotes that no one feels like reading:




























Do you all get the idea?

     HAHAHAHA. That wins. Even for made-up quotes, you're taking a lot out of context or simply ignoring what was actually said. Although, I doubt you give a rat's hairy ass about that.

Loth, about the smashed page, it's like that for me as well...

I dunno, I really found it pretty amusing. I'm not saying either side is right, but truly this is some trivial shit you guys are arguing about. I would also like to add that I am the smartest.

Yeah, same for me.  I didn't mention it because I figured it could just be my imagination...I'm crazy like that (for the love of Paxil).

You can't be the smartest. Don't you remember how Bucc used his dumbass creation powers on you on GR the other night?

That's right Tasty.  Ace and I officially gave you the title of Dumbass.  So now you have to start acting the part, remember?


Since the first post fucking it up was mine, I looked at it and it had some funky code in the first quote.  When I tried to delete the code, it kept coming back.  I ended up killing the first two quotes of Bondo in there and it seemed to work.  So that post is kinda fucked up, but now the page isn't.

I blame Bondo for using some influence to fuck with the board and cause just my post to fuck up so I had to delete it 8)  I have no proof whatsoever, but since when is that needed around here  

 ;D

The lord works in mysterious ways.

I know I'm coming in here a bit late, I just feel the need to put my two cents in. I'm not going to use actual quotes, as much as I want to, because I'm apathetic.  ;D sorry if any of this seems redundant.

to..

Bondo: Although I like you as a person, I have yet to find any reason in your posts here. The thing that immediately moved me torwards this notion is the fact that you KNEW you were going to get chewed out for this post, and you knew this was going to incite a massive bandying of "I'm right" "No, I'm right, you suck" yet you still did it. Maybe you see it as standing up in the face of adversity, however that would somehow connotate that you are right and just. In actuality, it was bending over and asking for it, with an accompanying bitchfest. I see little reason in this, especially because this thread had no other purpose than antagonizing. Recently, I haven't seen any unjust "assing" on the forums, but you still brought this up.. hell, I haven't even seen assing of rapid on the forums, but you still brought him up... why? because you needed to stir something up.

Bander- I can completely understand why you would dislike Americans for expressing anti-Arab views, however you have to realize that in retaliating, you only perpetuate the hateful sentiment you are responding to. It's a vicious cycle: One person dislikes the other, the other dislikes the person in response, the person dislikes the other even more because he responds, and so on. In addition, stereotypical comments like the ones you and americans make only provides the inspiration for more war and futher distinguishes the disparity between nations. Even if you try to say "they started it", it doesn't matter... because I doubt it would be unreasonable to say that if American terrorists hijacked your planes and killed hundreds of your kinsmen, you would initially hate American people in general too, even if they had nothing to do with the attack. This is not to justify anti-Arabic sentiment, it is only to somewhat attempt to explain human nature and why some American people initially responded as they did.

Ace- I have to commend you on your first post in this thread. It was organized, logical, and well thought out. In addition, I saw little that would evince a personal attack, which I believed was very tactful of you... even if you are a bastard.

Typhy- In regards to the being banned from Ace's server, I think you'll have some difficulty winning this argument. Just as a private company has the right to restrict whomever they please on whatever grounds they see fit, Ace has the right to keep you off his server on whatever grounds he sees fit. To you it may seem unfair- but life, in general, is not fair. Sure, it kind of sucks that you are judged by your leaders actions but remember the time when capts site got reuploaded by someone else, and Rapid wanted our whole clan banned because we should all be held accountable for our leaders (inadvertant) actions? Yeah, I thought that was unfair at the time too but there wasn't much I could do about it. Anyway, in short, your clan has a reputation and as long as you wear the colors you are that rep, as unjust as it seems.

Tasty- we're getting married  ;D

And all the members of the community shed a tear ;)

As for my posting knowing what would come...I guess I'm just masochistic.  I like bending over and taking it as it were ;)

Christ not more iLove

*blushes* I do I do!

::throws rice--in the cooker:: *bonk*

lol, Loud, I havent read their posts, but I can actually imagine that is what this whole thread is about :). Nice job.

Ben

Heh, it looks like I'm wrong again. All this time i thought posters were something you just hung on walls. And now I find out that all these people I've been talking to online are actually posters. Go figure... ;)

     The fact that most of them are two-dimensional didn't give it away?

First class mocking there Loth!

I just want to take this oppertunity to point out that Typhy has continued to "dodge" a few questions tossed his way (going back to those posts).  Like, when the leader of AK has the clan TK members of clans he has a problem with (and they seem to have done it according to the AK web site) why shouldn't the whole clan be held responsible in Ace's, mine, or anyone elses eyes?

And if Rapid has been encouraging his clan members to hack in and bring down the macclans servers, how should the clan be treated?  

This isn't just a member of the clan, that you guys can suspend.  He is the LEADER of your clan.  He sets the tone.  By following his lead, the members show their support.  The ones that just ignore his lead, show that they don't think it's a big deal.  In both cases, I don't think I like or respect those members as people enough to want to play games online with them.  And I sure as hell don't see how it's wrong to not dontate the use of computers or bandwidth to them.  In Ace's case of my own.  It is, our computers and our money, isn't it?

Ok, I'm back to a nice Monday of playing, when someone points out this bullshitter better known as Buccaneer.  Sure he has good points when you ask  him about GHZ or computer problems, but when it comes down to a Competitive Gaming Environment, Let the BITCH shine out of this poor excuse of a "gamer".  It isn't bad enough he can not face his fear in a CB, he avoids being killed by us by "banning us from his games".  Do you think we give a rat's ass about your games?  LMAO.  That's all it is.  Just another game hosted.  I know you try to hype it up all the time, but it's nothing that we care to trouble with such low class fools as yourselves.  

It isn't that I care that you don't like us, but it's how you go out of your way to try and get others to do the same.  IS THIS WHY YOU WANTED TO COME BACK TO OUR BL COMMUNITY YOU DIMWIT?  TO START FLAMING TROUBLE ON WHATEVER YOU DON'T LIKE?  There hasn't been flames as bad as yours since you left, and all it took was for you to come back to have to deal with this nonFUCKINGsense.  Here's just a COUPLE quotes from the 100's you've made in your attempt to have others dislike us.  What is there to hate about us?  Our skills.  When faced against it, you come up short and that's kills you.   WhaaaWhaaa CryBaby.  What's best, is your attempt at diverting the truth from people ahead of time.  "I'm not afraid to CB, I just don't want to lose from Grifter's computer".  You really are quite the "gaming" comedian...   Learn to play and show up with skills.  That will probably shut your bitching and whining...


Now check out this bunch of bullshit on "me asking |?K|'s to hack the MacClans server".  How contorted and twisted can you get?   Remember bucc, just because you have such the low class mentality, doesn't mean everybody thinks like your dumbass.   But then again, with your obsession on trying to get others to hate us, you'll even start to believe your own lies.  Quite the PsychoticLoser behaviour your poor soul has been overcamed with.  I pity for you.  I don't wish bad upon my enemies.  I wish you the best and hope your mental problems resolve for your and your peers better being.   With war and all, these could be the sign of the times, and here you go down as a frustrated soul filled with hatrid.  There's still time for a better you.  Don't choose to be the other you.  

Good thing people are not as shallow as you judged them Bucc.  But you can go on with your superiority complex all you want if you need to feel better.  I enjoy life, and enjoy playing these video games with all.  Just funny to see the reactions and the resort of the frustrated ones.   You just made a great example.  You get what you seek for. :o  



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just when i think i'm out... it pulls me back in
this topic seemed to well wraped up after loud's post, typhy handled his viewpoint nicely so why is that needed rapid?

Ok, after a few days, I've decided the "dumbasses" can be partly responsible for their plight.  It is part their responsibility and part part of that of the asses.

Proof being Bucc and I not fighting (still debating) for a few days.  He pehaps resisted acting like he would have in a few spots prior to this time doing his part, and I have certainly not had too much of the "dramatic victim" going and seemingly have been making better points even if arguable.  So I won't say it is the dumbasses job to break the cycle, but they certainly must do their part.

     Cool, Bondo. : ) Both you and Bucc have been big men about this recently, and it's a pleasure to see.

I attribute it much more to Bondo getting off the Rag  :o

In all seriousness.  It doesn't matter how much I dislike him.  When Bondo makes decent posts, I wont mock them.  I've said it all along.  It seems that some of what I, along with Loth, Ace, Abe, Jeb, Info-man and a few others has actually sunk in.  I give Bondo credit for this, even if he doesn't admit it or take it.  But his most recent posts have lacked the basic "my opinion is all the fact I need" undertone in the past few days, and while I've still called bullshit on him, he's been trying to defend his opinions with better arguments (even when he's wrong).

And like I've said often, it's not disagree with me that bothers me at all (hell, that's half the fun), it's being a dumbass and hypocrite that bugs me.  

So, I haven't done shit.  I'm still mocking the dumbasses of the world (I have a post for Rapid still coming).  The credit goes to Bondo, for actually breaking that cycle he was talking about.  And I'm giving credit where it's due, no matter what I personally think about him.

Ok, no need to quote from Rapid, I'll just give the quick recap.

BLAH BLAH BLAH, you are just afriad of us.  BLAH BLAH BLAH, you are afraid to CB us.  BLAH BLAH BLAH you suck and don't have a life.  BLAH BLAH BLAH, you just start shit.  BLAH BLAH BLAH you don't know what you are talking about.  BLAH BLAH BLAH, if you were a real man, you'd cb us.  BLAH BLAH BLAH, spreading hate.

Ok, that's enough.

First, I'll poing out that he didn't actually say he didn't ask some ex-members of AK to hack into our servers.

Second, I'll point out that this reason was given to Typhy, because he was looking for reasons.

Third I'll point out that if you look at 80% of Rapid's posts, they all say the same thing about people being afraid, and being out to get him.  He even took a screen shot in case it's deleted.  Is it the drugs that make him paranoid, or the paranoia that makes him take drugs?

Last, I'll just say again.  Why would these guys lie to me?  I didn't ask them to come forward.  I didn't even know them.  I didn't talk to them.  Why would they come tell me that story?  I know why Rapid would ask them.  He has more then enough motivation.  I know that we showed Rapid caught in a bold face lie right here when he said iRUNx's web host had nothing to do with the old site being taken down, (since iRUNx didn't lie, and his hosting company sent me e-mails too).  But that's all here, posted long ago.  So I ask Typhy again, to answer why they shouldn't be banned after that (and why we shouldn't believe them)?

P.S. after seeing another post by Rapid, maybe I was too harsh in saying that Zaitsev is the worst writer here.  It's close.

Screenshot your post. Screenshot mine locking this thread too. We basically ran the gauntlet of our conversation, so I don't even have to worry about interrupting anything of ours to shut you up. Thanks, and have a nice day!

PS - I'm sure I don't have to include a disclaimer about how any threads started questioning the locking of a thread will be locked and/or deleted.