*DAMN R6 Forum

I'm sorry but had to post this, i found it to funny and olddly disturbing. This morning in the B&G the topic became something along the lines of why america sucks and how great communism is (because it works so well in china).
Absalon was spouting nonsense about
1. how the CIA organized september 11th in order to make money off stock
2. How the constitution is nothing but brainwash
3. That the Senate is military
I find it strangly ironic that a few anti capitalist swiss people use american computers to play american games on the internet.

Then there are these gems of the retards.
Absalon - RnT: senate is fucking military
MacMan - RnT: Abs, nm, americans cant take any attacks on their country, it's part of the government's brainwashing programme
MacMan - RnT: i'm so impressed by how dumb americans are
MacMan - RnT: so the swiss are keeping their head down, being safe, and not getting airplanes into their buildings
Absalon - RnT: LOL MAC

And Godfather, who i believe is assosiated with RNT has said numerous things about how america deserved september 11th

   Yeah well, Euro's seem to have something against us and out unfreedom. I had a houre long chat about the same thing with spaz and a bunch of euro's awhile ago. spaz and I were defending America and etc.

Guys, I hate to tell you, but overall we Americans are seen as brash, young, and overconfident. We are trying to tell age old countries such as Britain (who has been around 4x's longer then us) what to do and how to live. We are imperalists to some countries, we stick our noses into other peoples buisnesses, and we tell the small countries what to do (with the threat of military power backing us up)... That being said:

China is actually a huge capitalist nation when you look at it. They claim communism, but strive off of capitalism. Just look at their details. They are an up and coming world power with the rate of their industry growth.

Ben

1) Have you got any proof (screenshot or logs) of him actually saying this or are you just making it up as I believe you are, because anybody can just type this in into the *DAMN forum and say this person or that person said it;

1a) :(uNT JEB: i hate all races, Iam a 'nazi' and love Hitler....

The above text is *NOT* a message from (uNT JEB and is a *COMPLETE FABRICATION*, but was necessary to explain my point.


2) What one person or two people say or doesnt say doesnt mean this is the joint view of the whole clan.
If you have a problem with what people(s) from another clan says then you refer it to their clan leader and not waste the *DAMN admins with this nonsence and stirring up trouble.


3) Ive seen numerous stupid idiotic rantings from american players about "euros" from most clan members and even :(uNT on Gameranger but you dont see me or others posting it on the forum and starting shit.

bah...most euros are ignorant scums

They always want gay proof, and they say crpa about americans cause they're jealous of our "ways"

so die euroscum
 ::)

Cheers,
one

i believe jeb is right here. however, THAT said. ive been seeing alot of the same things happening to americans on canada.  so really, calling the euros on this is being a hippocrite for most of you all.  I dont know how many times ive had to defend Canada from Americans..

Rorschach,
Before that ocasion i've never encountered any of those idiots, why would i care to fabricate that. God and Losemoney witness that so they can back me up on it.

yes we do say canadians are stupid but we just call them stupid because they have weird accents and do other weird canadian things... but we most definitely wouldn't be making shit up like the sept. 11th comment if something like that happened to them. most americans on gr i have met are not retarted except for rabid and rapid. ( i probably spelled retarted wrong but o well )

Yesturday while playing with RnT, 3 RnT membners were in my host calling america a dictatorship, and when I told them democracy and dictatorship is two different things, they just laughed

Not to mention a few of them calling me a yankee and such, Tking me in a game. then bring the BS to the chat room... i know ror, and hes never said anything of the sort. patterson and dragnotic on the other hand have many times...

I have no idea what crap those guys have been saying but I think that the people I know from RnT are a great bunch of people. About euro's being scumbags and ignorant or whatever the fuck you guys think, that's just so fucking funny to hear when you don't know a fuck about anything 'cept for what you've heard from your fucking parents or whatever, idiots the lot of you. 'cept Ben, I like him.

(please excuse my rants I'm drunk, hell it's new years, you should be too)

well like I said I think RnT is the euro equal of AK

Damn yurop!

First off I would like to say, Fuck you pat! I don?t have a fucking accent because I'm Canadian. That?s like saying all Americans sound like people in Boston. Be more specific when you make a stupid little comment like that. And yes, I too get a kick out of the newfy accent (Newfoundland...Its a, for your sake, 'State').

I may not agree on RnT, but don't think you're a superior race of humans just because you live in a area of North American called the United States...Sorry I'm getting a bit off topic.

Sure the US is a democracy, but you people act like dictators to the world. You won't appear in the world courts. You will go into Iraq without UN approval. Even though North Korea is a bigger threat.

On that topic, why would you let North Korea get more attention hungry as you pick on small Sadam? Some say its for the oil, I personally don't know about that one, but I'll keep it on the list. What about the personal matters for George Doubleya Bush. That is probly it.

I?m not gonna start on that topic any further, that?s a whole different issue...just a example of your dictatorship. I could sit here all night spits facts at you about how you're country isn?t superior. But I'm not gonna because I don?t hold personal grudges with Americans. I just hate your leadership.

America and Canada are the children of old Britain. America was the one who rebelled against the Parents and shot daddy in the leg. And Canada was the one who waited ?til it was time to move out. Ill put it this way with Canada and America are brothers, with different mommas.

BAH! HUMBUG!....Mysterio

Tehehehe, Kami, you're sexy. I had to read a book and listen to several lectures on the subject of "America is bad" from my Government teacher. I got most points of views down. To be frank:

The Arab countries hate us
China ain't to happy with us
N. Korea is getting mad at us
Russia is actually getting along with us now
Britain is America's friend and brother and father and stuff...
Japan could still be soar about the A-BOMB
In World War 2 we occupied several regions around Japan... They can't be too pleased...
Island Hopping, back to World War 2 again. Our soldiers at the time were about 28 or younger, and liked to drink... That made us not look to good (we look rash)
Canada, in my opnion, is America Jr. (no offense guys) (Ahahah you should watch Bowling for Columbine. "you've been robbed before?" "yes" "and you still dont lock your door?" "no" Ahahaha.
Australia, in my opinion, is America the Continent :)

All in all, we got a lot of enemies.

P.S. To the Canadians we have the wierd accents.

Ben

I love canadians...funniest bastards to ever walk the face of the earth. Next to Australia they're our most trusted friend. Europeans don't understand the term friendship. All the wars end up starting in the heart of it...one would figure that's why they hate everyone. Some of them are jealous, some don't even know what we're like, some think America is like Russia was in WW2, some love us, some hate us. It's all about what what people are taught. Think about Afghanistan. The government took away televisions, radios, and the internet because they didn't want their citizens to be educated on foreign affairs. They wanted everyone to think we were monsters. Same goes for europeans. I bet a lot of them are taught in school about our numerous wars with other countries. That would only make them believe we are war mongers. So it's not right to call them trash unless they deeply whole heartedly despise us.

While I think people on both sides have a diluted sense of national pride, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. Yes it is true that some europeans think the US sucks, but that is their belief and there is little you can do as only one to change it. I believe opinion of the US globally can only be changed through policy and diplomacy, but i also believe that such things can never happen. Different people are looking for different things in a country and the US cannot fulfill them all... I also think being hated comes with the territory, and thats territory the US isn't willing to give up. Conversely, I think it's also best not to call european people "scum", because you're only reiforcing the "stupid american" stereotype. Europeans often see us as being the "lesser educated society", and we certaintly don't need to perpetuate that view by acting like asses.

and also in response to your post ben, you make it seem as if we actually ARE imperialist and countries have a right to feel the way they do, etc. I think it's dumb that you bring up us trying to tell age old countries what to do, because since when does seniority matter? Hasn't the US made more progress than Britain in 1/4th of the time (including winning independence from them in the colonial days) and has thus proven it's right to have a say in things?

oh well, im going to bed, this post is all mixed up.

Oh yes i said that alright, no point denying it. But dammit Jeb, you are no better than any of the greatest flamers on this forum (hell, you are one of em), you ripped that chat log out of context, if you'd post the rest, somewhere later you would see me say: "Americans are so proud, it makes it great fun to screw with em."
My point being that it is so easy to get you and your countrymen pissed off, that it is becoming a sport. Dont tell me none of you ever went and pissed off a brother or sister just for the fun of it. Though of course, thankfully, Jeb is no brother of mine.
Dont involve all of my clanmates in this, if you want to post on a "new breed of idiots", just use the names of the people you want to flame, eg. "MacMan" or "Absalon". Dont be a weasel and make accusations in general.

As for the U.S. vs. Europe. There are a number of good points in posts before mine.True. For the record, i do NOT think ALL americans are stupid/idiots/retards etc. It's just that by electing someone like Geore W. Bush, and seeming to be trying to run the world.
Be proud of your great nation, which grew to greatness over the backs of the indians your ancestors stole the land from.
Be happy that the gap between rich and poor is growing larger and larger, which of course you wouldnt know, since if you can afford a mac, you cant be poor.
The country that gave us Jerry Springer, sensation reporters, pulp magazines, and the first to have the Atomic Bomb, would love to tell others what to do.
Did you happen to catch the news of a new bill Bush passed? It gives the Uniteed States the authority to "rescue" soldiers being prosecuted by the International court of Justice in the Hague. So if someone like Milosevic (someone LIKE him) commits a war crime, i believe it likely that the U.S. will yell loudest to have him brought to justice. Instead if an American soldier commits a crime, America reserves itself the right to invade my country and save the asshole. Yeah, "Justice for all" eh?
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That sums up a lot for me. I dont feel like typing more. Try not to feel too insulted, i am aware that none of you individuals can be held responsible for the actions of a group. But if no-one feels responsible, where do we end up?[/color]

they are not just a new brand of idiots theyare also a new brand of tattle tailers someone in that euro whore clan told *DAMN NotinkuwaitSnake that Cringe was cheating and planing to cheat on an upcoming Cb and smthing like Mauti had a picture of cringe "glitching" which everyone does in a regular game from time to time and that cringe was messing with the file that says the poeple who join that the kits are cheange he was just fooling arround god RnT stop being Narks and enjoy your Crumpets and Tea while it lasts

   They find ways of making shit out of nothing, they admit they cheated and then they hate u for breaking there balls about it. I've been to europe and Im going there again this summer, I know ppl there are smarter then this shit. I guess It's just the RnT clan or most of it thats not. I know Glue, Danny and BAmm are better then this shit, I've known Glue and Dan for ages now, and BAmm is a good guy.

   Wallie~

LOL, you ignorant fools, to my knowlege no RnT has ever cheated. Fuck, i dont even know how to cheat, let alone find out whodunnit.
Anyone have an accusation i challenge you to submit a screenshot or timed chat log. Otherwise i will not accept any flaming of my fellow clanmembers. you can call me anythying yoiui want, but i stand with my friends. And as long as those friends have not broken any rules, they can count on me to defend them through better or worse. Snake, Wallabie, and all others like Ultimo, i have no quarrel with you yet, but post a screenshot or TIMED CHAT LOG to support you allegations.
For now i dismiss your lies as a way your twisted minds seem to wat to brake down the integrity of my clan.
"Produce the body"

MacMan - fiercely defending his friends since 1983.

Please forgive the double post, if a mod can put the two together, i would be grateful.

iGnome, glitching in a game in not commonly acceptable. At least not condoned by decent players. It makes the fight unfair, because not all players know how to use the glitches to their advantage. Now, as god is my witness, i have never used a cheat or glitch to kill anyone in a game. If I find out that someone I (used to) respect did, i would immediatelypost at *DAMN and get the motherfucker off my Buddy List. But by the length of my BL you can tell that no-one is low enogh to use cheats or glitches. This may also be a reason you are not on it iGnome...

One, you are kid, quiet. Dont even know how to spell europe. Well yes, America is an empire, we are imperialists, and part of the reason why euros hate us is because we occupied their countries, raped their women, deficated on public statues. American soldiers behaved badly in other countries such as Germany during the Cold War. They were a nuisance. Do not deny it, I know Germans from the Cold War Era. The main reason why much of Europe was our ally back 10 years ago is because Russia was very powerful and in their minds "eager to invade." Being an ally of the United States does not mean agreeing with them blindly on everything. The American Army took the trouble of "liberating" Western Europe, that does not mean they have a liability to aid us and agree with us on every key issue such as Iraq. No one deserved 9-11, but it does not give us an excuse to be jingoistic and monger war. I would have to agree, the US government (not people) are war mongers. America has been in more wars in the last century than any other country.
Spanish American War---(caused by US Maine Explosion now discovere to be favbricated
World War 1- Britain got us into that war with the Zimmerman note
World War II- We did not instigate this war, but we were bound to join this war. Attack by Japan and declaration of war on us by Hitler. We were not the agreesors.
Korean War-Aided our ally South Korea who was being invaded by communist North Korea
Vietnam- How we got into this war is a shady and secretive story. The French were losing dominance in Vietnam, they got their asses kicked at Dien Bien Phu, in order to get france into NATO we took up the fight for them, and it escalated
Granada- This small island in the Carribean was a threat to national security we had to invade. This was an incident of US agression.
Persian Gulf- started as a despute over oil between Hal Burton and Iraq. Hal Burton (Dick Cheney was CEO at this time) used horizontal drilling to  extract oil out of Iraqi oil fields, Iraq invaded, we liberated, they died, we didnt.
Kosovo- getting our noses into Europe's buisness. For some reason it is America's job to make sure human rights are upheld in Serbia, when there are death squads runnin about in Central America.


As you can see, we have been through alot of shit. We have caused many of these wars, especialy during the last half century. Some countries (such as britain) have led us to war.
This ends my short rant, from your local Russian dick.

what context where those quotes in?
they were in 2000lines of saying how dumb i am for believing in my government, and how communism is so great.

To be fun the swiss have brought us those cool knifes, watches, cheeze and the mp3 codec(i think)  ;D

i just spent about an hour on a reply i was going to post then it got deleted so im going to summarize.
Iraq is much more of a threat than nOrth korea
and macmans post is total propaghanda, no offense.

Cookster, thats because this is the time of technological progress. Britain and Arab countries have done well without us forcing them to do our will for the last millenia+, we have been around for 100 years. They survived and earned the right to make their own decisions, afterall, they've survived as a nation this long. Lets say a mom who has been around is told by her son "buy me a candy bar". Her son is smart, but she is too. Must she buy him one?! We have a say in things, but we shouldn't have a day in their affairs. They are them, we are us.

Also, we were imperialists and still are. Check our bases for the war on Iraq. A couple countries don't want us there. Now, I love America, but  I'm more into the global perspective of news then ever before, and have learned a lot.

And yes, we won our independance... That was just because Britain didn't wanna send their soldiers over to America. It was too long of a journey and their recourses were thing because at the time France and Spain didn't like them as well. We won our independance. Does that give us reason to help rule  their countries?

Just to add to Cossacks post, most foreigners hate the American people, but not an American person or an American family. :)

Ok, I love my country, and I bet it doesn't sound like it, so I'll just shut up now

Ben

The only real way to insult the Swiss is that they are pussies (who are always neutral) so they can launder the world's dirty money (Nazi's, terrorists, etc.).

As for everyone else...this is going to sound brash and arrogant, but America has EARNED the right to stick our noses in other places. I am too tired to post everything, but look back throughout history and see where the world would stand today if America had not intervened in the several conflicts and crises that occured. We live in a Unilateral world and America is King, get over it.

Also, the correct terminology is "Eurotrash," but that is only reserved for complete morons who don't know anything.

Other crap I see in this thread:

1) Kosovo was something that the hypocrite Clinton pursued because there was one clear aggressor performing ethnic genocide Slobodan Milosevic/Serbian Army against Albanians.

The reason why we don't obviously get involved (we get involved, but not to the magnitude of airstrikes...read up on Panama '89) is because of oil (Venezuela), and because of the spectrum of the opposing forces (Colombia; Government Troops vs FARC leftist rebels vs rightist paramilitary types) We are active in the region, but in more of a CIA operative stance and Spec Ops training instead of full throttle ground deployment.

2) Nothing is wrong with Canada. They are our largest trading partner and combined with Mexico, make NAFTA one of the strongest economic alliances in the world. There should be no cultural bias - but there will always will be because that is human nature. Everyone is biased and that will never go away...some hate blacks, others rednecks, and others just hate people different than them.

3) We are economic and political imperialists...welcome to Globalization. You know why we are like this? Because other countries have brought it on themselves. No one forces them to consume American products and media. By accepting our culture, they start to accept our beliefs and become Americanized.

If you are trying to throw out the term militaristic imperialism, look up the definition and you will see that you are wrong.

4) Sorry Ben, we now have full access to the bases we need in the Arabian peninsula to bomb the crap out of Iraq.

There is more, but I am too damn tired to respond to everything here...maybe another time.

P.S.: If you love Communism so much and think that it works, look towards North Korea...they blame their own problems caused by their Government on the United States so they don't get overthrown by the starving masses.

P.P.S.: Anyone who was glad 9/11 happened can choke to death on their own cock.

We disagree here. Some things are better off left untouched. A bit over a decade ago we put Al Queda as ruling government of Afghan. We gave Bin laden money to take on the Russians. Most of our decisions bit us in the ass.
I've read The Lexus and the Olive Tree. Good book. Globalization is not Americanization. Basically, it's us breaking down the walls that seperate eachother's cultures in order to learn about eachother, and make a profit off eachother :)...  I disagree of "why we are like this". Other countries aren't pissed at us because we help them make money, they hated us before the Globalization came about, during the Cold War and post-Cold War eras.


Nay, I didn't mean it to sound like that. i know we got awesome locations like Turkey, Qatar (wow that rocks), Pakistan, India, Israel, etc... (I haven't checked cnn.com/world as of late) Just I seem to remember something about Pakistan Germany Turkey and Saudi Arabia objecting to us using our military bases in the war. Germany we backed down from but we were aggressive with the other three. I haven't checked at all since Winter Break though.

Communism is shit. Look at Russia or China too. Russia, failed. China, "Communists" BULLSHIT! Capitalists. North Korea is making the effort, I admit.  You're right on the nail about N. Korea. People starving, they won't let media in. Their people MUST worship a statue like 3 times a day or they'll get shot. They lie to their people about reasons for their problems... That's a very sad situation there. People are terrified to say they hate their government.


Don't give them that much mercy.  Let them burn in hell for eternity. I cant wait until thats where Bin Laden goes.

Ben

Lol, you dumbasses. Psycho i only red the first sentece of ur post, its quite too long for me. Jeb and his little friends started the whole conversation. GOD was the one who started talking shit about Switzerland and changed his names to "Swiss suck" and things like that. So i also started. It was a 3v1 chat war, wich i could really laugh about it. Then suddenly macman came online and helped me out and pwned them. So i think jeb is just sad now, his ego is a bit smaller now he opens a stupid post here. If u want something talk to me, not to the whole RnT clan, you fag.

I could probably fill a couple of pages of why I think what I do but why the hell would I do that on an RS gaming forum...?

Turkey agreed to let us use their bases. Im not sure about Pakistan but I know that Saudi Arabia has their fingers in their ass.

"One, you are kid, quiet. Dont even know how to spell europe."


Cossack I misspelled it on purpose.

this post is mainly for ben to read, since i know he's about the only one who would take the time to read it all :)
Thats BS, Britain has been pushing around Arab/ Central Asian countries for a long time before we ever did it. Plus, who says they've done well? Obviously with raging internal and infrastructural problems they can't be doing THAT well. Do you call the takeover of the Taliban as the ruling government force doing well? Doubtfully. Arab countries can be broken down as such: either you're really really rich (and corrupt) or you're very poor. People live in fear their of their own rulers... and in my opinion, that is not doing well. As for Britain, they have been doing fairly well but the fact that a noob country can make twice the amount per capita they do says something is amiss.
Once again, this is about seniority. Just because Britain and some Arab nations have been around longer gives them the right to do whatever they want without interference? What kind of world is that? So theoretically, Britain could be giving money to Al Queda but we couldn't do anything about it because their country is OLDER and we shouldn't be interfering because we have no say in their affairs? That's bs! :) And I still think the US should reserve the right to interfere where it concerns the safety of it's citizens. This is NOT to say i support an immediate war on Iraq, but I do think Hussein needs to be unseated sometime very soon.
Like assassin was getting at, countries can reject our imperialism but they choose not to. Since we support so many countries with foreign aid and are thus dominating, why dont they reject us? The fact of the matter is, many nations need us but silently hate us, and  theorize this is because they want to support themselves but cannot. They are tired of needing a big brother. Like North Korea, who is a "threat" now. We give them a shitload of aid annually yet they are now growing militant. Anyway, all i have to say about the bases is what the hell did these countries think bases were for? They have to face the facts, and realize that those bases were established for war and thats exactly the purpose that they will likely serve. (this is assuming the bases were there before)
so what? they lost. boohoo.
ok, first, we didnt win our independence from the countries we are exercising authority in right now, like afghanistan. We won it from Britain, who as far as i can tell has willingly been our ally. If Britain truly disagreed with what we were doing they would step up, but they haven't.
the american family is the unit which comprises our population, which is supposedly hated. And if they hate the American people, they hate me too, so bah!@

First of all, we did NOT install Al Queda as the ruling government, Al Queda is a terrorist network, not a group of people capable of governing. Perhaps you mean the Taliban, which we also did not install. After the 1979 Afghan jihad, the US left Afghanistan to self rule, which later turned out to be a mistake since the Taliban was allowed to take over. The US didn't intervene there, look what happened. And yeah, we gave Bin Laden money to taken on the SOVIETS, who were trying to invade Afghanistan. That decision did not bite us in the ass. It was LATER when the gulf war began that Bin laden starting hating us, for different reasons.
Americanization is a facet of globalization. We are spreading our culture, and as assassin was alluding to, trading our products with other nations in exchange for theirs. This is promoting "americanization" while still exchanging information mutually. I also disagree with your definition in that it says globalization must 1) be mutual and 2) break down barriers between cultures. This is ideal globalization, but not the true face of it. Globalization can be unilateral in which a culture spreads its ideals and other aspects without reciprocation. This is sometimes how our own culture spreads, this is what you call Americanization in one of it's forms.

I remember something about a certain cookie's new years resolution ;)

anyone who knows me well is aware of the fact i break promises (and resolutions) very very easily  ;D

pfft kami, and i thought we were good friends!

Haha, that's sad to hear, I myself never break promises or resolutions, I just delay them.. a lot. Of course we're friends, I said that in the friendliest of ways! :)

This post is mainly for cookie because she's just so damned sexy. (and others wont read it as its boring to them)

Nay, they used to push around the Arab world in a very militarily imperealistic manner (Thus India and Ghandi) But recently I haven't seen Britain say anything like "you don't side with us we'll kill you" or "you could be invaded next foo'" like I've seen from the United States. Maybe they stopped being militarily.... threatening? They don't talk shit, they just do (as in actions).

I'll say that was as wise as the Amerricans giving money to Bin Laden. (Yes, it hurt us. It gave him 1) A name to the Arab people. He became a hero! 2) MONEY! You made a huge stereotype. Not all rich Arabs are corrupt.  Hell, plenty of poor Arabs are. The Arabs are just contived of the simple joy of information. They never have been given the truth about whats going on in the world. They think America is the root of evil. Why? That's what they have been taught. Is that corrupt? No, in fact, it's very willful and standby-ish. If we did what we were taught to their extreme, think of how America would be today (awesomely rich, but very impersonal). Yes, Britain has been doing well. America hasn't proven we will survive as an empire. We've been losing money since 9/11, California alone is 40 billion in debt. America is so far in debt it's not funny. This is how we handle any extreme situations. We forget our natural rights and trade them in for security. Also, take a look at the size of America and the size of Britain. Compare populatiuons. We have more machinary and a bigger population to work with then they do, of course we'll make a bigger income on trading, we have more to create.


Seniority does play a part in things, I hate to tell you. (Actually, I love to tell you that) The older countries have proven they can get along fine on their own. They survived for so long that it's obvious that their lifestyles and governments work for them. Who are we to come around and say "You're not doing that right!" when they've beenaround 10 times longer then us? And, I agree, we must defend the American population, so why do we get mixed up in civil wars in small Arab countries? Because the government wants to put in place a leader THEY like. This is in no way to protect the American population, and thus, in no way even concerns us. Yet, they still do! This is what I'm saying, we shouldn't get involved in Civil Wars that don't concern us unless we are immediately threatened by one side or if Human Rights are largely being violated (such as in Black Hawk Down)

So, say American soldiers were in Pakistan. They were gearing up for an assault on Iraq. Now, Pakistan approaches a solider and starts cussing him out in English, and then tells him to leave their country immediately. Is that what you mean by rejecting imperealism? The American soldier could shoot him, laugh it off, or ask "or what". Frankly, Pakistan can't make us leave, and we wouldn't. I disagree, most countries either hate us or love us. If they hate us we help them minimumly, if they love us they get tons of financial aid and even military backing. Your North Korea isn't really valid. We gave them aid in exchange for their guarentee of not making nukes. It was an agreement, not a Big Brother Helping You thing. They broke it, we stopped sending them crap, they said we broke it, then they admitted to be working on nukes. Also, you don't think them to be the bigger threat now. Frankly, I doubt Iraq would use Nukes on the US. I doubt N Korea would either. I believe both would sell them on the black market though, thus I think them as an equal threat. The main reason you'd think that is you listen to the media. Just remember, the media does what it can to sell, not to actually give us the news. They twist stuff. So does the government. "Iraq has killed its own people using biological weapons." Ahahaha. Sorry, but this is not exactly what happened.
I didn't sympathise they lost you know :) They don't disagree with us, well at least, the people don't. Britain thinks of itself as America's parents. After all, America sprung from Britain. Thus, they are going to be Americas ally to the brutal end. (In my opinion). And Britain would never publically denounce America, just in private, behind closed doors, tell us we're lunatics. They just would not help us in our causes (such as civil wars which dont concern us)

No, you're an American PERSON, not the American PEOPLE. Ever hear the quote "A person is smart but people are stupid."? It applies here. The American people are nationalistic, patrtiotic, yet self centerred and extremely ... well... stupid. We rush into things without knowing why. If you went alone to China you'd be greeted with open arms. If you anfd the whole country of America went to China, we'd be hated and turned away.

Ben

Cookie was dead on with a lot of her stuff, so I will elaborate on the finer points.

Globalization is a giant theory with no definite answer or definition...don't argue with me about this since I just took a course titled Globalization. Everyone has their own theories to Globalization - all are basically right to a certain degree, but it is widely noted and agreed upon that Globalization spreads Western culture, most notably American culture. I can argue almost any facet of Globalization and win, so if you want to go, be my guest  ;D

Ben, America sticking our noses in places has done more good than harm for the world. Think of it this way...if we didn't intervene in many conflicts, the world would be saying "Heil" or possibly even "Comrade" to some supreme dictator. Unfortunately, our meddling has pissed off extremists and those with power, but that is because they feel like they are being violated when a foreign power has more influence than they do.

Also, the Taliban came about when Mullah Omar became a strong enough warlord to overthrow the King that was in place...Afghanistan was built on civil unrest and whoever had the largest army was in control.

As for bases or operation...the Saudi's are letting us use their bases as long as we provide protection from Iraqi SCUD missiles. Pakistan wont let us use their bases for normal air operations (most likely covert ops only) because that would lead to the ouster of Musharraf - a a pro U.S. ruler.

Again, more crap to post, but not enough time to post it.

Nay Nay and more NAY! Sorry, I was tired last night, lack of sleep and stuff. They put in the Taliban, not Al Queda. And yes, we put them there. We picked a puny and rided it to the end. We aided them economically and admitted they were who we wanted in power. Also, how can you say the Bin Laden didn't bite us in the ass? He originally got his name as hero to the Afghan people while fighting the Soviets. That's how he became so popular and so well known. This is how he got followers. Yes, the decision bit us in the ass! We also paid him, We gave him money for weapons. What do you think his people are using now? Weapons. Do you think he wasted his entire budget on the war? No, he put them in the stock market, he openned charities all over America. He actually expanded the wealth which he never would have had if America didn't give him money!

You're looking at it from our side directly. So, other people are expected to change to our styles while we aren't expected to change to theirs? That's just not right. If you wanted an example for your statements you shoulda said "Look at Cuba". But you didn't :) (We're getting along with them now. They are using our money system mainly (dollars) we openned many American food diners there , and recently openned a sampler of a buncha American food which brought our cultures together.) But still, there are two sides of the coin. We are supposed to learn about others cultures, not just have them learn of ours. Thus the process is Globalization, not Americanization.

Also, the Cold War system everyone was putting up the walls in between cultures, not letting other cultures in. Globalization is breaking that down in that cultures are exchanging valuable material with eachother. Their status IS our buisness, afterall, its our money they're living with.  We have to predict how they react to certain things in order to realize where our money goes, so we have to learn about them. So yes, we break down the barriers between our cultures. And yes, it must be mutual. If you don't wanna use Globalization, your country will die. So many countries practically fell off the map because they weren't using the main offsets of globalization. So yes, it is mutual. Its their choice whether their country lives or dies.

I forgot what country it was, I think Sweden, That was given the option to join the European Alliance thingy... And they rejected. They were doing fine, didn't need financial aid, and they did not want to lose their individual culture to the rest of Europe. So yes, it needs to be a mutual decision.

Wow, this is the longest I've ever taken on a string of 3 posts. An hour. Geez! Wuv you cook!

Ben

She is sexy, i'll give you that :)
True, we could debate about what Globalization is UNTIL the system os replaced with the next system (my guess is we'll isolate again) and still not have a true definition for it.

As you can most likely tell from these posts, I love a good debate. So any time kid  :).

That's not what I was talking about and you know it. World War 2 was our buisness. Hence the name "WORLD WAR" :). I'm talking about Civil Wars in countries that don't concern us, or the financial backing of certain governments in small countries (that usually ends up biting us in the ass) But, I'll take your "Comrade" statement. How did we stop that exactly? Vietnam War? I take that war as a loss. After all, we fought, we lost so many men, then we pulled out. Korean War? How many of these did we actually win? Maybe 1!? How did we stop the spread of Communism. The paranoia of the day was that Communism would spread globally. Hence McCarthyism. Is that the way we're supposed to deal with Communism? Paranoia? Trading in our freedoms for security? Ruining other innocent lives so we feel safer? Nay! I feel we dealt with Communism all wrong. Also, this isn't what pissed off the Arab extremists :). We pissed them off by aiding Israel, by our provocative way of life, by not respecting their religion (as in desecrating their holy ground, we didn't know enough about their culture to do that. They didn't even know they were desecrating it at the time!)  
As are most Arab Countries. Iraq? 3 sects.  Hussein has the most power, thus he's ruling it. When we take him out there will be 3 equally powerred factions, and again it will be a vie for power, and again we will aid the one we want to win. It's their way of life. I understand why you'd take Hussein out of power, but I'm just saying this is how they live. Who are we to fuck up their civil wars if they aren't going to hurt us in the end!?
Thanks for the update :).  The Saudi's and Egypt are seriously insane in that they're like "Use our base. NO, GET OFF OUT BASE. Ok, use our base. WHAT THE FUCK YOU DOING KID!? I SAID GET OFF :).
I anxiously await your reply :)

Ben

P.S. Now it was an hour and 15 minutes in 4 posts :). This is the longest I spent on replies ever!

I just read that whole globalization thing and I have come to the conclusion that I'm having trouble even deciding what the argument is here. So, I guess I'll just add my 2 cents on all the topics that have been discussed.

1. Globalization has both positive and negative effects. It can be a fair economic exchange between cultures or it can lead to further economic domination by more powerful countries. It all depends on the way people use it? I have no problem with globalization for mutual benefit, but I believe that the effect our culture will have on less-civilized nations should be examined before trying to exploit them for a profit. In this regard I don't believe that the US has lived up to the responsiblity that goes with all of the power that we have? just look at the environmental havoc that some IMF/World Bank programs have wreacked? to whose benefit are these "development" programs actually working?

2. I agree with the argument about others consuming our culture to a certain extent. But I think this needs to be looked at from the point of view of both the leaders and the citizens of a foreign country. The leaders need to accept the development money offered to them by US/international/corporate interests because their 3rd world countries are facing economic ruin and they need any help they can get. But in return for this money, they have to agree to let US-multinational corporations set up shop in their country (which will proceed to destroy any sort of local business interests or local farmers by running them out of business). So McDonalds becomes popular, Indians living in adobe huts own television sets, and the whole country goes down the road of Americanization. People in these countries don't really have any choice to consume our culture at this point, because our culture is being forced on them through their government. The alternate choice of the leadership of the country would be to reject US aid money, following which they will be criticized by the international community as anti-US and be painted as a leader who does not care about the well being of their people. But which way are they better off? It really appears that they are damned either way? either the people will be angry because they are starving or they will be angry because US culture is forced upon them? and thus the possible BS of globalization. Why do you think that extremists are fed up with the United States? our policy is basically love us or suffer, bitches.

3. No communism isn't a good idea, I don't really think its an issue anymore.

4. Final consensus: The US needs to be much less selfish in its international pursuits? and I don't support a war with Iraq or whoever else the hot topic in the "axis of evil" is because I don't support any fighting other than self-defense, and I definetely do not consider the "war on terror" to be self defense.

To respond to tasty. Thanks for support in number 1-3. I like the calvary (1 on2 isn't really fair)

Number 4's jacked up in my opnion. The war on terror is a good war.  They hit us, we hit back. I just don't believe Iraq is a terrorist country. Bush is using the war on terror as an excuse to hit Iraq. I agree we should hit Iraq too... So, thats where we differ sexy tasty :)...

I love this debating, no flaming, everyones friends with everyone else debating. its awesome!

Ben

There are several explainations for this:
1) the US took over that role, now all Britain has to do is kick back and say they're our friends.
2) Britain realizes it is now at a geographic disadvantage to wage war with potentially nuclear capable countries.
3) Britain has nothing to fight for anymore. They didn't have a 9/11.
and also, the US hasn't said "you don't side with us we'll kill you". There are several neutral nations not willing to side with us (yet), and we haven't threatened them with death. Sheesh (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/so.gif)
Bin Laden would have become a hero in life or death, thats generally how Islam works. And yeah, he has enough money.. it's not like he needed more to do the terrible things he has done. He probably used it in the war anyway. And even if it was a mistake, the US still did a good thing in saving a country from Soviet rule. Bin Laden probably would have hated us even worse if we didnt help him, anyhow.
Britain has also incurred 3x the bloody wars we have. It's not like their country has been perfectly in order all these centuries. They have made mistakes, they have done many more terrible things than the US has. Why does being around longer give them more claim and authority than we have? We are bigger, we are stronger, we are more capable. Naturally we are on an equal basis with them, and our word should be just as good as theirs. It's incredulous to say that duration of a country should dictate authority. Look at India. They have been around since the beginning of civilization but are still impoverished in many areas and internal struggle is evident. Does India get to tell Britain what to do now? Senority is a bad example ben, because you have to apply it to all areas.
How is it not valid? We give them aid, they are getting pissed at us. Nothing in your statement disproves my point.
Hussein is an egocentric madman bent on becoming a figurehead, and he has nothing to lose. He doesn't care about his people, his country, even his own life. He cares about power and being revered. There is no doubt in my mind that if he had the full capability, he would strike out. It's also been recently revealed that he has taken up Islam, and had a huge section of the Koran translated in his own blood. (I went to a seminar on Iraq, so booyah :P) But i do agree, N. Korea wouldnt likely use a nuke against the US.Ben, FU and speak for yourself  ;) Im not patriotic, nationalistic, OR STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and quit with the stereotypes, you're giving me a headache. um... duh? China doesn't have room for all of us :P

It should be no suprize that we where going to attack iraq, they were on the list of the "axis of evil."
So was north korea and they ended up having weapons of mass destruction. I'd imagine that the bush administration has proof of nukes in iraq in order to lead the UN to allow us to attack.
A local rep from washington visited iraq, jim mcderment. He is against war however he mentioned that the people of iraq would rather us have taken Sadam out of power in 91. Most, if not all the country's food comes from the oil for food program, meaning that sadam controls all the food in the country.

Absolum, you live in a extremely rich country like america. Your problem is that your government has no balls, and you learn all your hatred for america thru your parents or other ignorant people. You acually believed that the CIA (i bet you don't even know what that stands for) organized the attacks on the world trade center. Your broad stereotypes of our society are idiotic, do you acually know what life is like over here? or do you just see our images from the media.
If i was to follow your train of thought i'd stereotype you as a nazi gold hoarding swiss cheeze eating pussy. Btw, communism is bad retard.

No, we supported a leader (cant remember the name) who eventually got overthrown and the Taliban took over. Where does it say the US supported religious fundamental rule over Afghanistan?!
Dear god, Bin Laden was a millionaire on his own. and it's not like we gave HIM the money to put in his bank account for safekeeping, we gave his forces the money which was of course ALL USED!!!
I never said it was right but thats how it is. And also you said later that globalization can have many defintions and forms, and this is just one of them. This is the American form of globalization.. not americanization. And like i said before, globalization doesn't neccessarily have to be mutual, thats arbitrary. It happens in many ways, this being one of them.

I got beef with people now.
 Absalon you think communism is so fucking great huh? Take it from someone if not the only one on this board to have ever lived in a communist country!!! I know freinds even during peristroika that were exiled from the Soviet Union. Are you a German? Swede? (I dont know I am asking) You should have lived in East Germany, communism's mark is still in the east. Look at the wide difference of standard of living between West Germany and East Germany, today. Economic differences and standard of living are much lower in the East.


Now to Assasin, you say the united states has "earned" the right to dig their noses into other peoples buissnes??!?!?!?!?!? YOU FACIST! how dare you make that claim, you arrogant pompous Hillbilly ! You put your nose into Russia or China we send a nuke up your ass! America has no right what so ever. True America was making its values spread throughout the whole world during the cold war, but Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter , and Reagan (even that asshole) did it for the world's interest. Now you are doing it for Oil Companies. Here is a little peice of history that is hidden from the general public. I picked this info up at a microfilm in the Library:
Hal Burton a construction company and an Oil company performed horizontal drilling into Iraq from Kuwait. Iraq warned Kuwait that they would invade if they didnt stop Hal Burton from drilling there. Kuwait refused because Hal Burton was a very large company in Kuwait. Who was the CEO of this American company? None other than our benevolent Vice President, Dick Cheney. I am not saying this gave Iraq a pretext to invade Kuwait, but shows you how a present day leader caused a war. Iraq has millions of gallons worth of oil reserves in the Tigris and Euphrates, it is totally idiotic to say that America is not at all in it for the oil! It is bullshit propaganda from America saying that this has nothing to do with oil. You people are just about as brainwashed as the Iraqis. It is clear that this war is for the United States intrest, expanding it economic hedgemoney into Iraq. Syria, Turkey, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia have come out against a war. The only people that are for it in the Middle East is Israel. Zionist such as Wolfowitz(sp) control American foreign policy. America is fighting this war on behalf of the Zionists. America is an empire and to give them the right to get into other peoles buissness is COMMITING TREASON AGAINST THE WORLD COMMUNITY Many of you will hate me, for spewing this anti-american "rhetoric", and I bet some of you will be calling me an anti-semite for my remarks about Israel. Well Fuck you who think I am an anti-american jew hater, I dont give a flying peice of monkey shit what you hypocritical son bitches say, talk to my ass motherfuckers!

haha, u guys still funny. i dont think communism is cool, i just bitched jeb coz he started bitching at me. If i would think communism is cool, would i write in these forums? or would i even have a mac, dont think so.

btw, i dont read ur stupid long posts like "Yea, we americans are the best", "we only attacked coz the other BAD GUYS attacked us first" "Bush has prove that Irak (q)  has nuclear weapons"

u know who received those fucking 12'000 pages first? mr. bush of course. And u think he didnt change anything? omg, he changed all to his matter, so i can war a bit! (u understand?, if not also ok)

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah i can only say to you

How's that funny? We're not talking about that.
We haven't said that either. We said in our posts "This is made to Ben" or "This is made to cookie." They are addressed to a certain person, not you, because we know people like you wouldn't read it.  I doubt anyone said "we american ar ehe best" or any of that. I said I supported BUsh's policy, but thats it. Tasty said he doesn't agree with this. You should really read posts before you assume and make an ass out of u and me. Mainly u though.

We weren't talking about this either. I suggest next time you read our posts, or if you don't wanna contribute, don't. If you want to contribute and haven't read the posts, don't. The first people to get the pages were the UN Weapons Inspectors actually.  They knew what was on the list before, and made more then 1 copy, each country in the security council got one. America got one, Britain got one... Thus, if he changed anything, it would not be like the other countries copies... and people would figure it out. Please research before speaking.

Ben

Proving your own ignorance, nice job.

Btw, great posts guys.  Assassin, Ben, and Cookie have some really nice reply's, well thought out.

Sorry Absalon, I only heard it from jeb that you said communism is the ideal government, but still, the first part of my post goes to anyone who does like communism.

Here we go again. This won't be as good :(.How could you even say such a thing. Yes, America had ONE attack on American soil. Yes, America lost hundreds of lives on that single attack. Britain has been attacked SEVERAL more times then America has and has lost at least as many men. Britain has more to fight for than the U.S. does in my opinion.  They have more pressure due to location, and more motive due to numbers of attacks.
You're right, I did exagerate a lot, but yes, whgenever we make a statement you must realize we have the threat of power and force behind it. Do you honestly believe that if a strategic position that could save hundreds of American lives were denied to us by a neutral country, we would just accept it? No, we would start by trying to be democratic, if they continued to deny we'd move onto force.
Uuuuuh. No! Bin Laden became hero of the Afghan/Russian War. Probably seems like no big deal to you, eh? Well, it's a huge deal! People heard his name, knew his military genious, and followed him. We gave him the power he needed. We funded Bin Laden and his campaing against Russia. Because of us he got the money and weapons he needed to take on such an opponent. After all was said and done he was able to keep the remains of the money AND the weapons. Now, with this money he invested very wisely in the stock market. Then he built charities. The result, he has some major bling bling flowing back to him. We, America, gave Bin Laden the MEANS and the POWER to carry out the 9/11 attacks on us.
Lets make this simplar then. A mother gives birth to a child. Who's responsible for the other? Who has more life experience? Who understands how the world works? The mother is the one who knows what she's doing. Now, India would be like the grandpa. Does the mother need to hear shit from the grandpa on how to live her life? No, she's lived it long enough to understand whats going on. Now, America is the child. Should we go to Grandpa and mom and tell them how to live their lives? I don't know about you, but I hate it when people tell me how to live my own life, I hate it when people try to nitpick my lifestyle. That's America. We go to other countries and tell them how to govern their people. What they do works for them, just let them be!


Ben - More coming

The reason we gave them aid is we had an uneasy treaty with them backed with the threat of nuclear weapons arising. Yes, we gave them aid, only to stop them from building nukes. Giving them aid out of the goodness of our hearts and having an uneasy treaty with them because we don't want them to have the power or responsibility we have are two completely different things.
I don't care what you say, Hussein does care about his life and his self image. He has bomb shelters in his palace, kills anyone who would dare challange him, and forces his people to at least say they love him. He does not want to be thought of the madman who launched a nuke at America to be counter attacked by Britain, Germany, France, Russia, America, India, Africa, Basically the whole damned world. If he launched a nuyke at anyone that would be the result. He would lead his country to a suicidal death. He's smarter then that. He cares whether he lives or dies. He cares how he is thought of. Would you want to be thought of the man who brough nuclear weapons to his country, bringing them up to the technological standards of the day or would you rather be thought of the man who launched a nuke at America only to be wiped off the map in a horrible counter-strike? (I know your not a man, but bare with me!)
You took that out of context so badly. If a person were around and Y2K happened, he or she would go to the store and get some food, and live life as normal. If this happened to people MASSIVE rioting would occur. Yes, you may not be patriotic. You = a person. Us = people. See the difference?
LOL. I concede that point. Damnit cook! The score: Cookie = 1, Ben = 0!

Ben -- Your next post coming. I love ya seksi girl!

First off, Vip, thanks for the compliment.

Second, Reno,  I can't see your flash. Dunno whats up with it.
Actually, I do believe we supported the Taliban, or that form of Government, while Russia supported another which would side with Communism.
If I were in a war I wouldn't blow my account on one attack. That's not wise. I would spend some here. Wait, see how the attack goes, then spent more. Basically, at the end of the war, he was allowed to keep the weapons he spent money on and the money left over... This had to give him an edge, and I bet partly contributed to the 9/11 fund.


Well, to us other countries may seem to be changing. To them we probably seem to be changing. Its impossible that something that would effect the rest of the world would not effect us at all. Not everyone is becoming little Americas.  The world is changing, I'll give you that. The world is not becoming America, but it is changing.

Ben -- Aaaaaaand done!

Recently, Ben? Not since WWII :) we're talking about current world affairs!
First of all, the US already has it's strategic positions mapped out so i don't think they're going to be pulling any new ones out of their asses anytime soon that happen to reside in a neutral country. And second of all, if the position could save hundreds of lives, what difference would it make if the country said yes or no? Human life is more important than Country X's wishes, to me. And also, like you said, the US would attempt diplomacy before resorting to other measures, so obviously the US isn't the dominating tyrant you portray it to be.
I never questioned that, I only made the point that Bin Laden would have become a hero with or without funding, in life OR death.
Do you seriously believe that after a huuuge bloody war that he'd have money left over to burn? And also, do you think America gave HIM the money to do whatever the heck he wanted? NO! That money never would have been entrusted to an individual person, and I guarantee if there was any leftover cash the US wouldn't be letting Bin Laden keep the change :P
But if grandpa wants the mother to do something, shouldn't she listen to him since he's been around the longest and by your standards, knows the most? After all, you did say seniority matters. And ALSO, so what if Britain has been around longer? It's leaders haven't. The country doesn't have a mind of it's own, it's the leaders making the decisions... and i think a countrys authority ought to be judged by it's political status and the people ruling it rather than by how long it's been around. Hell, Malaysia has been around longer than the US.. does that give them the right to tell us what to do now? Do they have more authority?
However nothing disproves my theory... because one country acts as the aid giver (even if under certain terms) and the other country recieves and gets pissed. I never said the US was doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, I only said they were doing it.
Damnit Ben, I went to a seminar! Saddam Hussein is a man who used his own people as test subjects for chemical warfare. He is also a man who, when his sons were eight and ten years old, began showing them homemade videos of dissidents being tortured in an attempt to indoctrinate them into the world of being a dictator. He later executed his eldest son. Does this sound like a "smart man"? Or someone worthy of control of a country? I think not. However, you are right when you say he cares about how he is thought of. He wants to be thought of as the dictator, the most powerful man in the world. He also wants to be remembered, even if it is at the cost of his life and his country. If he launched a nuke attack on the west or possibly Israel, he'd be hailed as a martyr in the radical Islamic world. That is what he wants. Um, but i have a question. What if 51% of people in the US were smart.. would the body still be considered stupid? I wonder at what point can you assume the whole to be something such as stupid or patriotic? And isn't it unfair to the people who aren't stupid/patriotic to put them in a body that is considered to be such? AND isn't it unfair to let a minority of people give the US population a bad name?
I know  8)
cookie- (100,000,000)  ben- (-2)

like i said, i doubt we backed Islamic findamentalists. If anything, the government we supported later morphed into the Taliban.
cross apply my points on this subject from the previous port. yaddayaddayadda
Im confused. whatever.

Lets see how to attack cookie's post. The issue on strategic positions

Strategic position is like money, you can never have too many strategic positions.  You think we would be happy if America could have the Tigris and Eurphrates? that is definently a strategic position, its fertile, oil rich, and seperates the Arab World from the Persian World. It is where the Middle East meats Central Asia, and keeps a stranglehold from anyone moving from in between the Caspian and the Persian Gulf.

If there is anything I know, I know the Afghanistan. America knowingly supported Islamic Fundementalists. True not one cent went to bin Laden, Saudi Arabia supported him. Brezhinsky (secretary of state under Carter) was willing to do anything in his power to kick the Russians out of Afghanistan, even support radicals. You have to understand the mans charecter, he is Polish, and he hates Russians with a passion and is not afraid to hide it. He was willing and did support these radical elements with stinger weapons and arms. Also you forget that during Clinton's drug war, America praised the Taliban for harshly punishing the Opium farmers in the Panjshir Gorge, who were serving the Northern Alliance (remember them?).

Would bin Laden have money to burn after a huge bloody war.

Bin Laden did, he was supported by the Saudis. He also made profits from the war. If nothing it raised the amount of money he had. The Mujahdeen paid bin Laden to make highways in Afghanistan. You see, even though bin Laden's orginization did do some fighting in Afghanistan, they were mostly in it for construction in the later part of the war.

I second what Cossack said.

Thank Cossy. You summed it up quite nicely AND proved me wrong :0. I thought America funded Bin Laden, I guess it wasd the Saudi's.

Also, the confusing quote, sexy cook, was saying you think of globlization as Americanization... Well,  you see everyone becoming America's, we're spreading our culture. They are doing the same though... Spreading their cultures that is. Thus you can't call it straight out "Americanization". We are changing as much as everyone else, so instead of saying Americanization, call it globalution... The world's culture is changing, not just every country besides America. That's what I meant.

Ben

God damnit you people post way to long and it's getting bitchy. This isn't RnT saying this shit it's the old R member im sorry if i didnt ready everything but R has been bitching about americans  since i was in U. When we beat them 6-2 they started cursing and saying stupid laggy americans, man were never cbing losey bitchy american's again, Then even tony montana got mad at them and quit on those fags cuz he is american. sheesh i think just about everybody who wanted to post got in there saying and this is enough about RnT because it's not them it's there new R members that they recruited after flies left.

-Psyks

P.S. sorry if my grammer sucks but im tired after reading one pointless post after another.

LIES N BS PSYKS! LIES. N. BS!


lol. First, the most recent posts are just debates meant for specific people who want to take part in them. Thats why cookie said "This is for ben, no one else should read it less they wanna respond." and then I said "this is for cook or any other debater" or something along those lines...

It's not bitchy, its a debate. No ones yelling, everyones sexy... Blah Blah.

You're sexy Psyks!

Ben

Blah Blah Blah? THIS IS FOR THOSE WHO LOOKED AT THE OTHER'S POSTS, SAW WHO THE POSTS WERE FOR, READ THEM STILL, AND GOT BORED HALFWAYTHROUGH[/i][/u]


Ok. What could they do anyways? So they bitch about America. What could they do? Unless they were a militant, but then they would be in deep shit. So just either ignore them or fight back, just don't complain.

as my final argument, i would like to say this, and only this:
FU ALL  ;D

Sweet Jesus, that's so mature cookie  ;)

Can we mb change the title? Coz what ppl are talking about in this tread is nothing else than america and its wars and victories (wow, ur the best)

so change the title to, "America, People hate it, People love it"

or just fucking close this tread.

what STFU GOD said in this chat, things like "war is cool", omg whats up?(jeb u could have copied this too) Thats the  problem i have with some americans. And as soon as they use the word euroslut, i start yelling at them.

Also, when americans join euro hosts, they bitch and bitch and bitch about laggy eurofags and leave the game(they bring the lag with them). But, if we join their games, its also us who lag.
"Americans dont lag" its just the fucking eurosluts (heard sometimes in games)

-> This one goes to you psyks fag:

U are a stupid Asshole who has no honour and deserves no respect. U know why i write this...And i think that u should go back to ur mommy and suck her nippels.

And the others:

Have fun and dont attack iraq!

I have also been yelling at the yanks that their country sux, but i must admit that they have far better arguments than me. So i stay to this: You ppl have chosen a fucking gay for president with an iq of 50 only interested in making war. Get Clinton back !

The Supreme Court choose Bush, not the people of America Dragonic. I bet some of the republicans will counter. Beleive me many people in this country will be happy if they see Bush impeached.

I am a republican. I am here to counter.

Die Cossack.  8)

On another note, "Have fun and dont attack iraq"

HAHAAHHAHAHAHAHH! We're gonna bomb the shit outta them.  :)

Bush won't be impeached and Clinton's a cock sucker. Everyone thinks he's so great but he's the one who sent our troops into Somalia and pretty much fucked up the whole situation. Besides...he avoided the draft and went to Canada. He's a pussy.

Where did you hear that Pyrex? I am pretty sure Clinton was in England attending Oxford University at that time.

Mogandishu was a mistake, but he did much better domesticaly than George I and George II

Clinton was smart, very smart... but definitely not a president i am proud of. actually, the last one i was proud of has been dead quite a while  ;D

and anyway coss, i agree he did more domestically than the Bushes,  but he also let alot go to hell on the world scene. plus, i doubt GWB has had much time to do anything domestically..

He was sucking in domesticly even before WTC.

As a president you really should be able to take care of both domestic and international affairs.  :)

Give him some time. I'm actually surprised  that Clinton got anything done with all his intern whoring.

Yes Coss....He was "enrolled" at Oxford but I can assure you he only went there to avoid the draft.

Absalon, no one said war is good or anything. No one talked about war ir victories or anything. We're gonna attack Iraq, we already did.

Cossy is right. Bush didn't win sadly, Gore did.

Cooky, stop talking about JFK :)

Kami, I agree + your sexy!

Ben

Even if he did go to college in the United States he wouldnt have been drafted. As long as Clinton was in college they couldnt draft him. The people that were drafted were high school dropouts, people with a high school diploma that did not go to college were drafted, and college graduates were drafted as the army's officers. So you are saying that whoever went to college at that time is a wuss. Also Clinton wasnt fucking Monica all day long. The whole attention on his mistress is sickining in the first place.

I do not think that George II would improve the economy. He is taking away many of the laws designed to help the general public, money from health care, and there is an up and coming social security crisis about to come up, AND HE IS TAKING FUNDING AWAY FROM IT?!?!?!? Explain that Pyrex. Many of the laws passed under Clinton and even FDR and LBJ are being taken away. Pyrex you say that people want the government to live their lives for them? This is not true, you will feel the same way when you hit rock bottom. You will feel the same way when you get in a devestating car wreck and the cost of the surgery is $100,000. Your private HMO will not pay for the surgery that will fix you up completly, but the surgery that will keep you alive as a cripple. These "libral" laws being past are not at all "the government living your life for you."
Now lets get to Bush's military service. He was in the air national guard bravely defending Dallas from charlie. Bush also went A-Wall for ONE WHOLE YEAR! The cocksucker would have been court marshalled if it werent for his dad. And if word about  his defection was told, I doubt he would have won the supreme court. You say Clinton was a wimp, look at Bush, he did even worse, HE DESERTED! I would rather have a draft dodger as a president (wich Clinton was not) than an ineffectual fool that went A-Wall for an entire year as my president. Arent those who desert their posts considered traitors to their country? Therefore our president is a traitor.

PS I want you Pyrex I want you BAD!
PSS You are sexy Ben

I think what Cossack said is right on, Bush sure is a cocksucker.

Bah, you aren't proud of any other presidents besides GWB? Or was that sarcasm?

Here are my reasons why Bush sucks:

1. He created a "tax cut" (really just an advance on next years taxes in hopes of "stimulating the economy") that completely fucked over the budget, then publicly warned congress about spending too much. The tax cut also benefitted the wealthiest more than it benefitted the poor.

2. He repealed environmental protection laws passed under Clinton? under the new regulations, corporations are allowed to inspect themselves, and inspection is voluntary. They are not required to submit pollution numbers to the government and no government agent will ever inspect them. This, according to Bush (and the industries that paid him off, like the oil and power industries), is going to actually cause decreases in pollution.

3. He took funding away from human-interest groups in Africa and Asia and reallocated it to "Faith based groups", aka Christian Missionaries. Also in Africa he is witholding about 40 million (approximately) dollars per year in aid until they stop promoting condoms as a form of birth control and promote abstinence only.

4. His new economic stimulus package is a piece of shit too. In addition to subtracting large amounts of money from medicaid, the package also is removing taxes from stock dividends. Bush called this tax "unfair", and "poor policy", but I hardly think that taxing dividends given to shareholders is the same money that is being taxed when corporations are taxed (for the few corporations that do actually still pay taxes). He hopes, in his retarded version of trickle-down economics, that people will buy way more stocks this year, and corporations will make money thus creating more jobs. This is just another example of a tax break for the wealthy. This money will never make its way down to the lower classes.

These are just a few examples that come to mind that show Bush for what he is: a friend of the wealthy and the religious right.

Clinton may have been the biggest Republicrat ever, but at least he had some conscience about what his policy moves would do. And no, I do not care that he banged interns. Presidents, like anyone else, should be able to hump whoever they want. So although I certainly wouldn't say I'm proud of Clinton, he didn't do such a bad job considering who he was sandwiched between (Reagan and two Bushes).

10 bucks says Cos is one of the guys from Anti-Flag