*DAMN R6 Forum

Here are some updates for you guys...

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/sigpromo.jpg)

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/hk53promo.jpg)
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/covertpromo.jpg)

You wanted the FAMAE SAF, so here it is.
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/safss.jpg)

All of thos look great Cobra. You and Mac did one hell of a job with everything so far.

Question - is there a space in between the gas tude and the barrel of the FAMAE SAF? If so there's not spposed to be one, you think it could be fixed?

Here ia an MP5
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/mp5ss.jpg)

MP5 RAS, very nice.   8)

Cobra,and Mac,
Stop teasing us please,tooo much eye candy,please release a weapons mod soon,especially my requested G36!!!!

Here's a close up of the SAF barrel. All SAF barrels are prepared for a B&T Suppressor
(http://www.itb.pt/images/saf/SAF-barrel.jpg)

It is a nice MP5, a tad large, but nice model. It's not the RAS though, I used that forend on a couple MP5's in a couple mods, it's a Brugger-Thomet accessory system, but it's a little bit butchered because the front of the actual grip has a mounting tunnel for a Brugger-Thomet laser or tac-lite, which would normally extend down from the front of the grip. The RAS is the Knight's version, all alluminum, ventilated  fore-end. The Famae is HOT, I've always liked those. SC is right about thelittle gap between the barrel and gas tube, but that's of course a very minor thing! ;)

Just when you think the bar has been met, you guys keep raising it. I cannot wait

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Actually its a Sure Fire grip...take a look here.
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/surefire.jpg)
And here
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/surefiremp5.jpg)

I wish i had that mp5 for swat3. there arent a lot of good swat3 modders eventhough i think its a lot more mod-friendlier than R6 GR imho :-)

Damn Cobra.. you and your gun pics... you oughta start a pic service, for gun textures...
 :o :o :o :o :o

Thanks guys! I found a better way to make weapons now and I am really enjoying it. Hey whisper...here's one for you.
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/echo51.jpg)

oh no i forgot the feedback
Cobra! Those things are looking great!

(sorry)

When can i expect a silienced version, the quieter the better, you know.

I'm pushing my luck, I'm sure...but you guys never turn anyone down, so I'm comin to the well until it dries up. ;)


I would love to learn how to make weapons, any chance you'll take some time to do a tutorial? Maybe after you get that keyboard fixed?

Ahh ok, the pic Cobra put up is much clearer. I originally thought it was a model of that airsoft MP5 with KRAS like this. http://www.tokyo-marui.co.jp/new/mp5ras/mp5ras.htm Just figured Cobra added the Surefire to it as well.  

(http://www.imt.net/~mele/images/ph_m82.jpg)

what about the Parker Hale m82?

(http://www.imt.net/~mele/images/delta51.jpg)
Delta-51
(http://www.imt.net/~mele/images/bravo51-2.jpg)
Bravo-51
Cobra...see like this

That very same rifle (Bravo-51 SD) is available in Sniper Armoury.

Thanks SC, Snipers Armoury is one of my stand by's...
I'm  a pimp for DTD_Pro....thats all :D

speaking of sniper rifles i found this .408 Cheyenne Tactial http://www.cheyennetactical.com/index2.htm
http://www.cheyennetactical.com/index2.htm
an Mac was hoeping u  might make me one up  ;D if you the time.

ooohhh i got that thing for swat 3. its soooo good!!!

I got Swat3 must have a look for it Raven u play swat online if so we should have a game sometime. :)

You can get it right here kazan.

http://www.10-david.com/fileinfo.asp?id=1892

Anywho here's some more pics of the Cheyenne Tactical Intervention.

http://www.gungirls.com/content/guns/weapons05.html

oooohhh yeah kazan I'd love to. anytime!!

Cool we well have to sort out the time diff as i live in NZ an SC thanks for the links man . ;D

hmm you live in NZ i live in Central europe... that means thats 12 hours difference huh??

Hi guys!
Anybody who cruises the ARMM or GhostRecon.net forums knows what Knight's Armament was kind enough to send me.
But I figured some of you guys would like to see 'em
Here it is, the SR-47

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p01c3a6847b4dedf1c128a05bd8f08785/fcf973b6.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p16c1853da6b34b1705fac9edcf4ca4b2/fcf973b8.jpg)

I've sent full size copies, Thatguy96 could only host the small versions, so if anybody wants please PIM me over at ARMM or Ghostrecon.net with your email, and I'll send 'em over ASAP.

Hi guys!
Anybody who cruises the ARMM or GhostRecon.net forums knows what Knight's Armament was kind enough to send me.
But I figured some of you guys would like to see 'em
Here it is, the SR-47

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p01c3a6847b4dedf1c128a05bd8f08785/fcf973b6.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p16c1853da6b34b1705fac9edcf4ca4b2/fcf973b8.jpg)

I've sent full size copies to the guys at Assault Armory, Thatguy96 could only host the small versions, so if anybody else wants 'em please PIM me over at ARMM or Ghostrecon.net with your email, and I'll send 'em over ASAP.

Sorry about the double post stupid back button  >:(

Any bigger pics?

Cobra6 I have messaged ogre_h and asked for the originals, I will forward them if and when he sends them, looks promising though.

Great stuff  :P

They sure look great!

Whisper they are on the way!
Cobra if you drop me an email I'll send your way, or Whisper can forward 'em.
And if anybody can host the full size ones I'll send 'em right away

Yeah they do, I bet cobra wishes he had those a while ago when he was building that thing, lmao. Cobras still blows the real one away

Hey like Whisper 44 said "I would love to learn how to make weapons, any chance you'll take some time to do a tutorial? Maybe after you get that keyboard fixed? " will you be makeing a tutorial coco + if you did do a tutorial could you find somebody if u cant already do it but make a "MAC" rogue spear weapon makeing tutorial

Great pics folks. I want to thank Kazan for that superb GunGirls link.

And Coco - U da man..!


BTW; Has anyone got pics of an integrated suppressed assault rifle called the Grendel S-16.

Anyone..?

Thanks ogre_h  ;D
I'm now in possesion of those SR-47 pics... if anyone wants them drop me a message with an email, I've forwarded to Cobra6 already. File size wize they are pretty small only 138kb when zipped.

And Mac for the record I'll have to aggree with you, the one Cobra "made" is clearer and very acurate from what I can see so far.


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You're all welcome guys.
KA gave them freely to me, so I felt I had to get 'em out as fast as I could to everyone.

Sorry I didn't think to write them sooner, but hey, now you know what the SR-47 designated Marksman will look like in IDF 1.4 hint hint  ;D

Security Arms has a picture of the Grendel S16 here:
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1549.htm
If you want it you'll have to do that screen capture cut-n-paste thing

I plan on making a tutorial on creating hi-res weapon textures using Adobe Photoshop. When the tutorial is complete (1-2 weeks) you will be able to create the coveted SR-47.

Hey ogre could you go bug the Robinson Arms guys for some nice big side shots of the RAV02???

hehe     ;D

Just sent the email to Robinson Arms. :)
You guys will be the first to know if they respond.
Cross your fingers.

You, my friend, are awesome!    ;D  I sure hope they do. That weapon, imho, is one of the best looking ever. Guess I'm just a sucker for Stoner's weapons system and their derivatives. I think the Stoner 96 is the best I've ever seen. Like I said this one is up there now too. Thanks ogre, your work is much appreciated.

I try. ;D
Q_ARMM has been kind enough to host the full size versions here:
http://forums.gamegossip.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=604736#post604736
Feel free to stop by and grab 'em

Well Robinson ARms has not responded to my requests, but Diemaco has:
"The C8-CQB (Close Quarter Battle) sports a 10" barrel and is
formidable in FIBUA with an EOTech Halo Sight. "

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/pba545caed21de2cc1a53bb4d0bbd21d0/fcf36a38.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p96ed698f461ff7b42ad83229fb50d365/fcf36a41.jpg)

very nice!

So when u gunna make one of them Mac. ;D

That's pretty spiffy.

I agree.... those look mighty slick, late addition for The _Arms_Room????

Here are some more shots they sent me (some are from their web site)
Diemaco LSW (Light Support Weapon)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p60996d5c7f040e4c42cc5f0766983067/fcf366a4.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/pc913b6ec2542e6ade7d6431e373a6428/fcf366a6.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p6a0ecbe94305484dd8cc47803a1efbe1/fcf366a8.gif)

Diemaco C8 SFSW (Special Forces Support Weapon)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/pf699a01c801ad10eb03f984fac400d31/fcf36a32.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/pc51680f374a0ea58240e70f913ef6af7/fcf36a35.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p2e7f4dffdb728692123d00b871efb21c/fcf36a36.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/pb3ce158e92ae16c29510450223931b43/fcf36a3e.jpg)

I also have front back and top shots of the SFSW, I know its already in IDF, but if anybody wants the full size versions
PIM me.

I should note that the third LSW shot, with the round hand guards is not a production weapon. The square hand guard versions are the production models. The round hand-guard version was an "X" weapon, whose improvements were incorporated into the square version.
Also the LSW can take the carrying handles and optics from the "X" version

I'll take the full size shots, again, if you don't mind ogre.   ;D

Can you re-PIM me your email please.

Click on the mail icon below my logo pic (whatever ya call it).

shoot me the full size copies of the Robinson Arms if ya would. Email is stephenmcadams@hotmail.com. Make the subject Robinson Arms or somethign like that or I will accidentially delete it, thx

Mac, ogre said he didn't get a reply from RobArms.    :(

and damn Cobra's sig pic is niiiice.

SC, the pics are on the way.
Mac, I didn't get the Robinson stuff. I'll try them again later this week.
Do you want the Diemaco stuff?

Hey Cobra, is that sweet SAF going to be released or is it just a cruel tease? ;D

yeah thats what I meant, shootem to me

They're on their way

Here is my next project
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/m4anpvs4.jpg)

And the Colt Light Support Weapon

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/coltlsw.jpg)

Very nice as allways like the bigass scope. :D

Looks great Cobra, nice to see you sharing again after some time away  ;)

Damn, now that is sweet!  Very, very cool.

 ::)

And thanks yet again ogre. I appreciate it.    :)

You are welcome

Mac, you gotta clean out your email.
Everything I send you is getting returned.

Cobra, the CQB shots have been sent.

Very cool Cobra.  8)

How many more weapons are you guys gonna make before you release this mod anyway?

Heres a commando version I worked on. Made it before but it came out better this time. Doing cobras latest masterpiece next, then the cqb, and stoner support.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/commando.jpg)"

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/commando1.jpg)"

very nice an like SC said how much longer do we have to wait. ;D

Looking Good Mac

Did you ever get that USP .40 I sent?

Yeah I got it Whisper

Heres the cqb orge sent

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/left.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/left1.jpg)"

looking good Mac....

I'm going to give that .40 a shot on my own, but if you find a free moment, I'd love to see what you ccan do with it.

Got to learn how to close a spline.  ;)

Looks great. I would've liked to have seen the tan version instead though.  Would've added to the variety more.

I dunno. I think I like basic black.
That was a fast turnaround on the model
How soon til we can play with it?

Here's another of Diemaco's light support weapon
Its the same as the Colt, but Diemaco puts such nice goodies on their pictures.
(http://www.diemaco.com/images/sal-lsw.gif)

Who said I wasnt going to make the brown version  ;D.

Everyone keeps asking, I dont know when it will be released. We are not finished with weapons yet, I havent talked to coco about it either. As usual, cobra and I just kinda started this thing. I know coco is busy working on something as we speak. Dont worry, before anything is done with it, coco will have the opportunity to work his magic on it. Im letting Cobra do all the thinkin and Im doing all the modeling  ;D

Well that'll teach me to open my big mouth.    ;D

Cobra & Mac you guys got my vote for taking your time.......

 ;)

Here is the M4 AN/PVS4
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/pvs4ss.jpg)

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


looking good Cobra

Thats f'n hot. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Wow! That is definately one of my favorites out of the ones you've made lately. Simply put, that is awesome.    :o

Looks much better at the original resolution of 1024x768 ;D

Cobra you're going to include that Mini SAF in your sig pic in the Arms Room mod, right?

I'm starting to anticipate this like I'm anticipating Assault Armory.

Here is a better pic
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/pvs4ss1.jpg)

HOO-HA! ;D

Hey Cobra, I don't know if its possible, but I think it would look a little better if the character's hand could be positioned on the RIS grip. It probably can't be but whoa!

Cobra,

I'm speechless......................

very nice. but whats the scope called??

It's an AN/PVS4...I used those when I was in the Army ;D

Cobra,
Did you make that model? Or Mac?

Mac and Coco do all the models...just my texture ;D

Got it.. that thing looks fantastic, I found my words, and can't say them loud enough.

Here is another one I may add. Took me awhile to find all the parts to put this together.
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/m60black.jpg)

Mac, Cobra- you're really stepping it up guys. I am impressed, the NV scoped M4 is really well done, the scope itself shows your attention to detail and the texture looks very natural. Great f'ing work, have a few brews on me!

Thanks, means alot. cobra did a great job on the texture. Hes turning into a madman  ;D

heres a artic zm and a shorty version of a L85

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/zm1.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/zm12.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/l85.jpg)"

the l85 looks like s--t. Cocos version for RDG is one of my alltime favs. I always try to recreate and fall way short. OH well, Ill try again,  ;D

Hey mac, go easy bro you got skillz....

you might be happy to know that I actually got my spline to close without the extra bumb at the end. Just like you said, I was curving my lines and didnt even know it. I think I got it figured out now, all that's left is applying the texture. I can't get it to fit quite right.  >:(

Thanks again

The stuff looks great. Its fantastic.

Here is a new one Mac and I just finished
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/coltsf.jpg)

looks nice!! whats that red dotty tipe thingy on the fron of it??

its a ICS (think thats what its called)

Looks outstanding as allways. :)

Are you using single or double sided texturing now?

DAMN!!!!

I want one.... ;D

Dave I learned how to use double but normally I just use the same for both sides. I mainly just texture and model various parts for one side of the wep, for example, the artic zm, the stock is only shown folded on one side. Finally  ;D.

The ics unit below on the m4 is just two cylinders connected together with two different color lenses.

WM: Thanks, redoing some weapons from the RS mod I did for GR, going to try and improve on the modelling and textures.

Let me know what ya think about this mp5 sniper. Im not sure if I like it or not

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/fbi.jpg)"

Here is the DSA coco redid for me, I think you will agree, much better  ;D

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/dsa1.jpg)"

Heres a cqb talon I did
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/talon1.jpg)"

That CQB is sweet Mac, the mp-5 is a bit dark but looks pretty nice from what I can see.

Gotta a really nice urban warrior cobra did. As soon as I figure out the damn setting for exporting in 3d max for gr, Ill make it.

U best be figureing it soon then that talon is sweet. ;D

hehe, thanks, Im also attempting to export a really nice looking fnfal with folded stock, aimpoint, etc. Right now its in the game, one small problem is that its like 100 times too large and laying flat on the ground, hehe.
Does anyone know of a tutorial that shows a ss of the export settings of 3dmax for gr? Ive looked at many tonight and none do. I know Ive seen a few that do but cant seem to find them.  Coco usually sends me the ss  ;D. I also sent him a email requesting it. Ill be back up soon.

Those are awesome! How many weaps you doin' for this mod?

Im not sure how many weps we are doing. Cobra and I usually make too many then some dont make the final cut. We will see....

Alright I finally figured it out, even my bro coco sent me the damn ss of it. I could have saved myself a hour and a half of aggravation and my monitor several left hooks, if I would have checked my email. Its all good, heres the fnfal I just did and Im knockin out the urban warrior tomorrow.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/fnfal.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/fnfal1.jpg)"

Im taking a beer break now

DUDE, Mac that thing is smokin... have 2 beers, you deserve it..

Just 2?! He deserves a 6-pack at least ;D

God dam we need to get mac a big ass beer truck. ;D :D ;D :D

Yeeee Haaawwwwwwwww, did somebody say beer truck?
Seriously, I need someone to tell me what the hell Im doing wrong with this model. I made it exactly the same as I have made all the others. Coco, Cobra, somebody, why is the texture messed up? All I did was "curve" the line I used to trace the wep. Anyone have a idea? This has never happened before, I did notice some small distortions in the fnfal I posted before this.
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/uw.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/uw1.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/uw2.jpg)"

WM:
Ive had this problem in the past, its something todo with one of the settings in the exporter, try unchecking weld vertices, that should do it, its not the texture.
Hope it helps

I don't usually have "weld vertices" turned on, but if you do, try reducing the "threshold" value. All I usually have checked is "clean vertex attributes".

That was it guys thx, much better now
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/uw3.jpg)"

heres one you should recognize, a blast from the past, good ole US Tac, cobra sent me this texture, probably the same coco used. Not sure though. I do like this little wep
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/fn.jpg)"

(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)

This ought to keep you busy for an hour or two.. just holler when you need more.. that fal is sweet

Not to be out done! Here is a HK 91 Custom that I made. Whisper you may like this.
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/hk91.jpg)

Cobra6, any chance you'd share that texture with me, I smell a signature pic?

This one is a freebie...Anyone who wants it can use it, I just made it for practice.

OH yeah I like that cobra. Ill see what I can do with it.

Let me know if you want the .psd file

Here is a SPAS
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/spas.jpg)

Cobra, do you have a Mossberg M590A1 anywhere? I'm having trouble finding a good one?

We are working on some Soviet style weapons right now. Here is the AKS-47
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/ak1.jpg)

Very nice..................... :o

And of course the AK-47
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/ak2.jpg)

very nice cobra and mac.
hey cobra are all things you post here "freebie" stuff?

Ooh Very nice

Could this be a possible? Its a decked out Bizon
(http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/posts/img/bizon_26.jpg)

Looking good, wish I had the time and patience to it, Ive got maybe 10 weapons on the go, some with complete textures but going off my previous mod itll be next year before its done :)


How do you get the hand placement to work, Im on max 3 and have all the helpers in the correct position but the hand positions never change, doing my head in.

That freakin Bizon is suhweet! Mac, I like the kalishnikov models bud, they are for the upcoming project. after all, Tangos need weapos too! ;)

Well I dont want to come across the tango thats gonna get this baby

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/bizon.jpg)"

Whoa! ;D
They export the bizons in 9mmParabellum, image the havok you could wreak with that.

Here are a few more Bizon shots
(http://club.guns.ru/images/fotog/1.jpg)
(http://www.milparade.com/2002/51/03_11_02.jpg)
(http://www.milparade.com/2002/51/03_11_01.jpg)
(http://www.rbs.ru/vttv/99/Firms/IzhMash/25bm.jpg)
(http://www.rbs.ru/vttv/99/Firms/IzhMash/25am.jpg)

Thanks for the pic ogre, here is cobras pic

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/bizon2.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/bizon3.jpg)"

That almlost looks real  ;D

hmm...the mag looks much bigger than Im makin it...may need to do the first one over, after cobra gives it a facelift  ;D

Those are great!
Yeah, the mag looks like it needs to be wider. Still, damn good.
This is what your competition (Earl, who was really cool about answering questions) did at baconbomb.
http://www.baconbomb.com/vympel/weapons.html
(http://www.baconbomb.com/vympel/images/bizon2.jpg)
In game all his weapons have trigger guards. This was a test render.

now i know what i thought was strange bout that wep... where does the mag go?

the round tube is the mag

lol whaaaat... and i thought thats a grenade launcher :-) ;D

Mac did an awesome job on the SVD
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/svd.jpg)

Raven, yeah its a helical-feed mag like the Calico. Sources report it can hold over 65 rounds. Lot of firepower in a compact package. Its intended user is Russian internal security.

SVD.....nice job guys

 ;D

Here are some shots of the Diemaco C8 Special Forces Weapon Diemaco sent me. I've already sent the originals on to WardenMac.

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid47/p7457a7dbcbb2b25fd7b6307d8db86b38/fcc87d09.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid47/p3aabe4099b486b88ef64c201ea8c70f1/fcc87d0b.jpg)

Here are the C7 and C8 CT (Custom Tactical) sniper rifles from Diemaco.
The C7 has a suppressor. Anybody wants the full size ones, let me know. WardenMAc already has 'em too.
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid47/padae68ab2b464c5f6f41a97c004cfea7/fcc872e7.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid47/p105c7f42109c518da0843c9b43151e38/fcc8686f.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid47/p6651348d8864a2745f8722e277942557/fcc872e9.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid47/p8633c9e39e88133345d2ad806f335b57/fcc86872.jpg)

I'd like to get em if you don't mind ogre.    ;D

wally@pcom.net


Feels good to be back in the land of functional computers again.

may i have them, too please??
Raven2367@web.de

They're on their way guys!

roger that ogre_h...

mikeadams2@cox.net

Thank you so very much

Done  ;D

Thanks bud.    ;)

Dont forget me ;D

sguth925m@cox.net

heres the c8ct, I love the weapon, model didnt turn out as good as I would have liked.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/c8.jpg)"

LMAO, I had the mipmap texture box checked in the last screenshots. I thought photoshop was screwing up on me, talk about a dumbass, I spent a hour trying to get the damn pic clearer, this is much better dont ya think?
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/c81.jpg)"

Okay Mac, you aren't wasting any time getting those weapons out, looking amazing as usual.

How about that m14 scout? huh huh huh?  ;D ;D ;D

warden... yours looks too cool!!!!
(http://people.freenet.de/greg_p1/diemaco4.jpg)
thanks a lot OGRE

You're welcome!
NICE  ;D

Raven, thats a nice model bud. I like it, I like it alot. Way to go

Heres the c7ct
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/c7.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/c71.jpg)"

The weapons appear two different colors because I took the first ss before I adjusted the texture, the bottom ss is how it looks now.

Nice.               ::)

SWEET! :-X ::)

300Mag from Assault Armory is thinking about putting together a "best of" mod from the GR community. You can check out the thread here:

http://www.ghostrecon.net/forums/index.php?s=4576950ada10e169cb5850d90df8f2ed&act=ST&f=16&t=470&st=0&#entry4023

MAc, that c7ct is F*****g HOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want one......

Maybe you have all seen this site, but they have quite the selection of Defense & Police Weapons

http://www.arsenal-bg.com/main.htm (http://www.arsenal-bg.com/main.htm)

Cobra I thought about the Soviet Stuff, and most of this will fit right in
(http://www.arsenal-bg.com/images/defense_police/7.62ar-m4sf_folded.jpg)
(http://www.arsenal-bg.com/images/defense_police/7,62ar-sf.jpg)

Hehehe...already in there 8)

All looks amazing as usual.  DTD set the standard for GR I reckon :o

Guys, great work on the soviet weps. One of the support weapon files was crashing though, all riflemen files worked fine. For this upcoming mod I'm gonna need some tacced out AR's, I can add some camo to 'em also. I'll keep you guys posted, but let's keep some of the weps for this mod a secret ;) till the last minute, that is, lol.

Here is a MP5 SD6 for the GR Net community mod

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/mp5sdss.jpg)

Just thought you would all like to see some others who are doing quality work.

Earl over at http://www.baconbomb.com/modworks (http://www.baconbomb.com/modworks)

is doing some nice things with a replacement mod for the original GR weapons.

This made me drool
(http://www.baconbomb.com/upgrade/images/m4_sopmod_desert.jpg)

Yeah that guys fantastic, he can build a model. Good stuff

And I get to beta test it. heh    8)                         :P

Yeah SC? well my dad has two corvettes and a ferrari   ;D

Seriously? That's pretty impressive. What kinda Ferrari?

LOL, that doesnt surprise me one bit SC, not one bit

Yeah, what can I say, I'm an ass kisser.         ;D

Just givin you a hard time SC, I was tryin to one up you.....

You do seem to be a beta tester extrodinaire, though  ;D

Oh, ok.  :D I was gonna say you've got one rich father.

Yeah I've had the absolute privelege to test a number of mods now. I like to think that I'm a fairly knowledgeable and active member of the modding community. I just wish I had the skills of the DTD family, Earl, Piccolo..etc.     :(

I wish I had skillz too

You guys assist more than you realize. There would be no need to mod if people were not interested. This forum is the best at keeping the ideas flowing with feedback. We really appreciate it

@ Mac & Cobra,

Check your emails.. I sent some works in progress, would appreciate your input.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

My Planetrainbowsix email has been down now for quite some time. Can you send it here: sguth925m@cox.net

Roger that Cobra6, new e-mail has been sent to address provided..thanks for the feedback

Hey guys, I have a request. From now on when you make models could you extend the buttstock on the weapon models, the ones that have em anyway? I think it makes a whole lotta difference and only in rare circumstances is the weapon used with the stock folded in. Is this a possibility in future DTD mods?

Yeah, I try to mix it up when I do them, and usually they are short only because some characters are different than others and the placement looks weird sometimes, also I just like shorties, but I do know what you mean. Maybe I have someting in the bag of tricks coming up.... ;)

Sweet. Thanks Coco. Can't wait to see more new pics.     ;D

Introducing the HK SL 9 SD

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/sl9ss.jpg)

Looks great, the bipod arms look pretty thin though but it could just be the angle of the shot.

I think it is the angle...I can never take good SS's

looks nice
click,click

very nice as allways. 8)

That thing is smokin Cobra... great job....Can't wait to gear-up

OOo, that looks, good. Should be a little blacker though.
When you set up the GUN file for that guy, remeber the SL9 SD is a .30 caliber variant of the SL8 civilian legal sporting rifle with a proprietary new caliber instead of the SL8's 5.56. This new caliber, metric designation 7.62 x 37 is a cartridge designed to be subsonic from the muzzle, and specs indicate an aural signature in the area of 100dB!

(thanks to HK Pro)

Found this over at gr.net
(http://www.heysercycle.com/jj/500sw.jpg)

Mac? got some extra time?
S&W 500 Magnum

Woulda been a nice addition to the Expert Hangun mod, does it really fit well in GR?

I don't know SC, can't you just see your Warden Mac IDF advisor character running around with an SR-47 primary, and this as his secondary?

SHOOT EM UP COWBOY !!!!!!!!!!
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/uzi.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/uzi.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/uzi.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/uzi.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/uzi.gif)

Yeah, I could see that. Mac might prefer the .500 Hunter though.

(http://www.smith-wesson.com/products/firearms/images/standard/170231.jpg)

or S&W's 1911.

(http://www.smith-wesson.com/products/firearms/images/standard/SW108282.jpg)

Now thats some fine handguns i could see Mac with the .500 Hunter. ;D

Yeah, he needs the strap to keep his hands free for beer cans/bottles.         ;D

Or he could just get one of those hats with the cans on the sides an a tube that goes to your mouth. ;D

Hey I have one of those, wear it when I mow the yard  :D

Hey Mac! if you wan to do the50 cal S&W I will make a small mod out of it for people to use. What do you think?

Now that's what I call taking requests...

Here's to Mac & Cobra....
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(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)

dunno if anyone has made a FAMAS yet...but here's a couple;

(http://www.airsoftzone.com/guns/famassv.jpg)
or
(http://www.airsoftzone.com/guns/famas.jpg)

www.airsoftzone.com is good for pictures, but alot of them have been done already.


the pics are actually bigger when you save them

S&W is nice, but I love the look of a classic Springfield

  (http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/a1/PX9105L.jpg)

Since we are posting pictures.

(http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/usp40_utl_large.jpg)

I'll take 2 of these  ;D

souds like a plan to me, Ill start making a few of the ones posted. Im caught up anyway I think.  I think I am.....maybe forgetting a few.

Red, I agree with you. Ive always loved the springfields. Nice pic bro. I may borrow it  ;D

I've always been a big fan of Para Ordnance though, I agree, that Springfield is nice.

(http://www.paraord.com/pages/guns/LDA_Limited/T1445ERSR.jpg)

14.45 LDA

Hey Mac,
macsgun is SWEET!! , I have to tell you.

I'll also take some nice 1600 x 1200's of my own Para-Ord, and send them off, maybe I can carry my own sidearm in the game?  ;D

Oh, and I almost forgot my favorite pistol of all time which I will never be able to own (unless I somehow manage to get a Class III license).  The one in US Tac is classic.                 ::)

http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/guns_1100px/fn_hg_fiveseven.jpg

Honest opinion: Is this too ahhh...unique?
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/unique.jpg)"

MIke, here ya go, also added some night sights  ;D
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/usp1.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/usp2.jpg)"

heres the 500mag

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/500mag.jpg)"

whoops, I gotta quit drinkin  ;D wonder who will catch this?

DAG! You and Cobra with those freakin cannons, lol. Must be the Texan in ya, lol. Yo mac, I like the shorty in the background, looks familliar.  Might want to scale down the pistols some though, the USP is a lil big ;) Nice work, I gotta make me some HK's, maybe I'll start with the UMP eh? hmmm

UMP? did you say UMP? Now why didnt I think of that

MAC, that USP looks awesome, as do the 50 S&W, and macsgun is a freak!!!!!!
 ;D

Looks awesome, is that Kitty Kat from RDG going to be used in the Delta/DEVGRU mod???      ;D

yeah Im gonna submit it, I think coco may change the color, kinda stands out but came out great, coco's taught me a few tricks since I made it for RDG  ;D. My favorite gun so far.

Yeah, I hope it's used. Very sweet gun, you really did it justice.

The USP40 and the 500 Mag look awesome. I can't wait for this mod!

Hey guys, I'm looking for a HK MP5 PDW with a red dot scope and with/without supressor. Every model i've ever seen has the hand placements all messed up. Think you guys might be able to add one to ur demo guys for ur next mod? BTW, love idf!!!

Looking good an Coco must make more HK's. ;D

The 1st model I ever made was an HK USP. Come to think of it, the 1st 150 models I made were HK's lol, pretty much every HK there is! I will include some nice HK's in this mod as well, and don't worry, the hand placements will be correct, they are actually similar to an UZI. Now in GR you can't rotate the hand to hold a vertical grip like on the MP5k, that's the only drawback.

Sweet how about a  UMP45 with suppressor; Picatinny receiver and forearm rails; vertical fore-grip; 25 rd. magazine; tactical flashlight; and red-dot sight if that's not to much to ask. ;)

This thread could be useful for the current mod. It's all abot U.S. fututre arms.

http://forums.gamegossip.com/showthread.php?s=66dde5981f20aac7d55ff7dacd01a74f&threadid=28792

I had suggested this before to Trance, but in Sum Of All Fears, the hand placement can be made to hold a vertical forgrip, if u could play around with that.... Just a suggestion:}

Not possible I'm afraid in GR. That ability isn't coded into the GR engine. Wish it were though.    :(

This one is for Mac
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/whisper_44/macsgun_05c.jpg)

nice!! who made it?

That is Warden Mac's Gun.. I simply dirtied it up a bit..

Thought Id throw you guys a bone. We havent stopped creating a few surprises  ;D

(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/m4shortyss.jpg)
(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/colt635.jpg)

oooh ive waited for so long for this topic to update.
It was worth the wait. fantastic guys... just brilliant!!

 ;D

Nice work Mac... I've seen that 635 somewhere...GREAT JOB!!!!!

Cobra where you at with your teaser pics?.. :P

That is sweet!
I coulda used that for the Ravenshield Demo!  ;D

I guess I'll add my 2 cents worth of textures...

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/m14rev.jpg)

 :o :o :o :o :o

Cobra....
Find me, I have a request

Very nice guys.      ;)

Edit - Guys I've got a request. Can someone make an M60E4 with 100 ammo box? I've got some excellent shots of the weapon if needed.

That's a great texture.

Are you guys looking at the SR-25 K?

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggg...did someone say m60?

ah cobra, why havent you sent me that? The one I made sucked ass.  >:(

Okay the second one I made sucked ass, I officially hate that weapon too now, damn hand position

Hi guys ,thanks for the encouragement with the CAG mod,I'm hoping to have a beta uploaded to the SBS clansite tonight.
I've been modding a few weapons,and have a question for all the guru's out there?
What is the maximum amount of polys you should have,reason I ask is that I made a n M4/203/peq4/Taclight combo,started off as a trial thing was getting so carried away,and it started to look good,I didn't reduce the cylinders etc,the end result was 3500+/-,but it looks and runs fine on my system!!When I sarted to isolate element and optimize them,I sarted to loose texture effect,and it took me tooooo long to make in the 1st place,so I left it at that!!
How can I rectify this,apart from remaking the whole thing?

If you saved it before export, you can probably reduce many polys by taking cylinders down to 6-8 sides. I always say my weps are high in poly count and they are, but usually Im around 1000-1500. I would love to see your 3500  ;D

I went back and checked count on the last colt635 I posted here, its 1268 without any of the faces deleted. Could cut it in half actually.

Warden,
             do you mean in a screen shot,or a render,or the max file itself?I can email you all 3 if you want?.I've gad it running in the game with no problems at all,In fact It was 5000 polys before I sarted cutting it down,by element selection and optimizing the mesh,It started to get a bit distorted,I guess I never used the smooth action!!.

I dont use any of that, most do though I guess. Send any ya want, Im just curious how ya did it. Im always looking for ways to drive coco crazy. A 5000 poly count model would do it  ;D

I don't think it takes any EXTRA effort for you to drive me crazy, lol. And I agree, more than 8 sides on a cylinder is very hard to see the difference in game, and on a slower computer it'll lag a bit if you go too crazy.

M-14  :o *drrrrroooooollll*

Are you guys going to give the M14 the usual Tac treatment with all sorts of non-functional goodies hanging off of it?  Perhaps a bunch of different varients with different scopes attached (and one without a scope)?

Because that would be great!

M-14  :o *drrrrroooooollll*

Mep,

I cant seem to do the weapon justice. I absolutely love it, so I may be just a little picky. I havent got any feedback from the guys on the one I submitted. Its in realtree camo, hehe. We shall see

Cobra and I have finished with the weapons part of the mod, so its all on coco now,  ;D.  You guys need to give him some encouragement to stop slackin, hehe.

Cobra has been lost in RvS, I have to admit I have been too.  I did find the time to do this

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/dsa2.jpg)"

That is a very cool looking FAL. Think I'll have to go post in that skins thread.    

that looks great!!

Nice Job there Mac..

I do see that Coco graced the front page with an update, that just means he is hunkered down, putting the finishing touches on this highly anticipated Mod..

 ???right ???  ;D

Yeah Coco definately hasn't been slackin. Out-freakin-standing job!    :o


Hopefully we'll see the mod soon, though it's going to be worth the wait if it's longer, that's for certain.

Warden,did you get the M4/203 files(the 5500 poly ones!!)?
If you did what do you think?

Just a note so you don't think he is ignoring you, WM is outta town this week. I think  ???

Can you guys make some of the great guns that have got no attention from modders thus far?

MAT 49
Mechem BXP 9mm
L34A1 Sterling
FRF1
HK G8
Mauser SP66
Mauser SP86
Beretta SC70/90
Denel NTW-20

Those are just some examples.  Mostly guys MOD billions of CAR15's and MP5's. Would be great if some of the exotics in common use were included too.

Thanks

I like the name, the Meprolite M4 is one of my IDF faves.

Now as for the exotic guns, if you've played any of our other RS mods you'll find some real exotics, but moreover we always try to keep the mods' weapon lists true to the topic. (check out the US TAC "Arms room" weapons) For IDF, almost all the true IDF weapons are represented, including past ones that are no longer in use. But you won't find any HK's in there for example, because the IDF doesn't use them. This upcoming mod will feature more variety because the US forces use a more diverse array of weapons, and also there will be other allied forces represented with their indigenous weaponry. WW2 era weps don't really fit the theme most of the time unless it's a WW2 mod..

In the end though, it's all about high resolution pictures to build the textures from. We do considerable work on an already high res pic to achieve the desired effect.  If we want to add a certain weapon, but can't find a decent pic, it won't be made because the quality level will not be up to our standard. Some say our standards are pretty high ;), I hope so! The NTW may make an appearance however, in the latest mod...

just wanted to keep the thread goin  :D

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/m4's.jpg)"

Those came out great Mac.. nice job.

(http://members.cox.net/whisper_44/sniper.jpg)

Can you do one of these? an AI i believe, I think I passed along a nice large texture? If not I can provide it again.

Yeah, those look great as usual. Cobra and Mac already put together an L96A1 similar to the one in the image you posted. However they donated it to the community mod so who knows when we'll see it, along with all the other amazing models they contributed.    >:(

edit

And Mac thanks a ton for posting in the GR.net forum about that community mod. I was just getting ready to ask you and Cobra if you wouldn't mind sending me the models as it was looking like the mod would never see the light of day so to speak. Hopefully it'll be out soon so for now I'll hold off on that pm I was gonna send.    ;D

Oooo I can't wait to use those badies!  ;D

Thanks SC, you just hit me in the head with a  board, I forgot that they had already done that for the community mod.  ;D

Might just have to throw a desert camo scheme on there.

it seems like you visited the militarymorons website, wardenmac. very cool weapons, have been looking at those gun pics for a while wishing someone would turn those guns into guns for GR.

looking forward to the mod!! :)

Calum I sure didnt bro, I just noticed your post asking me that question. I never received them or accidentially deleted them.

Thnaks swarts, I change the textures some in most cases. They have great pics over there. Ive spoken the host a couple times. Nice guy. He actually owns those weps, hehe. When I recently asked for updates, he stated its expensive, lol. Great stuff though.

Cobra said I made that too SC, I dont remember it. Hope it came out ok,  ;D. I musta been drinkin a little  :o

yes militarymorons is a great website, great pics of weapons and uniforms

i have to ask you, will those guns be featured in the upcoming mod, love to kill some tango's with those models.

Im not sure, Ill send the files to coco, he will make the decision. We have many m4 variants this time.

no worries here, i love the M4 in all its variants. really looking forward to this mod. ;D

Mac those are freakin sweet. Make sure ya send them along with the other weps and I'll tie it all together this weekend, bud. Great work. I wouldn't mind using that awc sniper for this mod either, can you send it also? Community mod or not, doesn't mean we can't use whatever guns we need to also for other purposes right? 8)

(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)

Coco, that's music to my ears, and your mod will probably be out first.

Obviously, I just stated that the rifle didn't need to be made again and that it had been donated to that mod...unfortueately.   >:(

I think Whisper's right too, this mod will be out first.

-Edit-

And Coco you might wanna snag that C8 CQB that Mac made too for either your RMC and SBS characters. I love that tan one but there's a black one too.

You are absolutely correct coco, I thought about that many times. You will work your magic on them anyway so they will be a different variant. Sounds good, let me know if ya want anything else. I forget what all is in that thing.

I don't know either, I never saw the mod! ;D

cobra packaged it up nicely for the community mod, Ill see if he can get ya a copy

Mac,did you get these files this time?
I sent them to the email on your profile,is it the right one

no I didnt bro, sorry. I bet I keep deleting them. If I dont recognize the name, it goes in the trash. Sorry man, send me a message stating the name you use I will save it and remember it.

Say, are you guys considering that SR-25K?

 ???,
Mac My email address is ckeen63241@aol.com,I'll send it again 3rd time lucky!!

SR 25 K
(http://www.quarterbore.com/images/sr25K_39_f.jpg)
(http://www.quarterbore.com/images/sr25K_39_a.jpg)

Coco - here's the list of the weap's that Mac and Cobra donated to the community mod.

AI L96A1
Beretta M12
Cobray 12ga.
Colt M4 AN/PVS4
Colt M-4 SUREFIRE
Colt M4
Daewoo K1A1
Degtyarov LMG
Diemaco CQB
Diemaco CQB/Desert
FAMAE SAF
FAMAE MINI SAF
FN P-90
FN F2000
FN 40mm G/L
Galil 5.56 AR
Galil 7.62 AR
H&K MP5
H&K MP5
H&K MP5 SD
H&K Model 32
H&K Model 53
H&K G36
H&K G36c
H&K G36k
KAC SR-47
KAC SR-25
KAC SR-16
OA-93
Sig 552
Steyr ACR
Steyr AUG SD
Steyr TMP
Stoner M96
Stoner M96 SD
S&W Stealth Hunter
Taurus .480 Ruger
Tromix Jackhammer
Valmet M82
Walther WA2000
ZM LR-300

:o

From what I've seen that community mod is never going to happen (or will be really huge and lame).  Is there any reason why you cant (or dont want to) release the DTD weapons from the mod as a seperate pack?  

We won't tell anyone ;D

Meprolite,
                Have you contributed anything  to the community mod other than a thinly veiled comment?,about whether this mod will see the day?and it being large and lame!!
I have been working pretty much flat out making skins and new characters,as have a few others,there have been lots of stuff contributed,weapons skins chr etc,and these all take time to piece together,then it need beta tested,again time.
It'll be ready when its ready............if you think it's going to be lame,then don't download it,if you are not contributing anything, then perhaps you can do better?If not keep the lame comments to yourself!!!!!!!!!

Relax! You'll give yourself an ulcer.

(http://home.imaginet.co.za/meprolite/relax.gif)


That's my point.  If DTD would be so kind as to release their weapons in a seperate pack I wouldn't have to download the community MOD.

In my personal opinion, DTD weapons don't need a bunch of other nonsense to "sell".  They're gold all on their very own.

Right on Keen,
Meprolite just didnt have anything to add...only that kind of coments.

Meprolite,
All regular soldiers are ready and eager to kill tangos.......i'm just waiting for the updated sniper skins from Cush 1.....the weaps Mac and Cobra donated  are all good to go........very nice to play with. I'm spending my holidays working MAO so guys like u can play a nice mod.
Show a little more respect for those who deal with mods.....we do it because we love it...we dont get paid, so u can play mods for free............Do you think its fun to play just to seek for errors?  I bet u never spent a half hour to try it.
Get yorself better informed before say stuff like that.
Me and rest of the guys are going to sleep around 3 am........make some effort like us.....then u can say whatever u want.

Meprolite,
The commuity mod is under way, yes it was stalled earlier. I know personally two of the mod assemblers and they have assured me it will be released. If not for some reason or another, I will be just as upset, and yes I will make available what I did for the mod, if it isnt released, in some form or another.

I prefer mods with a smaller theme as well, I must confess, but this is a community mod and community effort, so the size as indicated by the name will probably be rather large. The problem has never been getting contributions to the project but rather help with assembly. One of our fellow modders was originally tasked with the assembly himself. You can imagine its a lot of work for one person. He did a great job, but now others have stepped in and are assisting. Lets judge it when its complete, not before. Ive seen what has been contributed in most forms, the material is good. Alot of people have worked hard on what they have donated.
If it sucks, I will be one of the first to stand up and say so, but I will not make that judgement before I see it completed. Im sure you will find many that share this opinion.
I do thank you for your interest in DTD's weapons in the project. We shall see what happens my friend.

That's all I wanted to hear, thanks Warden.  Two thumbs up for the epic work you guys do here at DTD.  Nothing else, IMHO, comes close.

Thanks for the support Mac,have you had a look at my site?
It has some characters and stuff I've done rescently,some for the Mod some for fun and all for ME!!!!!!


http://members.lycos.co.uk/calumkeen/index.html


Meprolite some of the chrs for the mod are ther if you want to have a preview

Mac I just sent you an email with the high poly M4

Hey meprolite,

Would you like to be a beta tester?
You know....be a part of it?

Looks excellent Callum, you're a hell of talented guy.  Let me clarify my position so you can best understand me...

DTD skins and weapons have - I'm sure you'll agree - a very unique style at a very consistent quality.  They're the only MOD's I play, and the only MOD's I take any interest in.

Anything non-DTD in the community MOD, regardless of quality, is wasted bandwidth AFAIC because it's going to look out of place alongside the style my eye favors.  I don't want those weapons in there, because it'll mean that I can't plug them into IDF or the new Delta MOD. They'll be stuck in a MOD I just won't play.

I didn't mean to insult you or anyone else involved in the community MOD. I was posting on a DTD forum so I didn't tread quite as carefully as I should have.  You have my sincere apologies.

Forget it Mep,
                       I'm like you I'm waiting on the DF mod myself,btw I have released one,too,skins only plus some very unique chrs.!!
I didn't mean to come over so heavy handed,been working hard on the mod,and I want to see it through,I've put a lot of effort into it to chuck it now,same with all the guys!!.
Coco and crews mods are good,so's Bajabravo's sabre teams,and both these guys have given me the thumbs up,so I'm delighted to be recognised by the 2 Skin Gods!!

So hurry up coco!!!!!

so there's no harm done Mep!!

Well said on both counts guys. Mep, thanks for the support man. Post like that are why we do this stuff.
I dont believe anyone will be disappointed with this new mod. For the most part, cobra and I are done, except the last minute weapon coco requests. As usual, coco is carrying the load now, adding holster points, working his majic on wep textures, splash screens, characters, etc. Now you know why I sometimes feel guilty about receiving equal credit for work on the mod  ;D. Rest assured, it will be a good one.

Heres a sr47cqb that Whisper 44 threw together

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/whisperssr47.jpg)"

Now that's what I'm talking about! Awesome :o

Is that for the Delta mod Warden?

NO its not Mep, its just a variant that Whisper 44 made. I made it for him.

Heres a Wilson Combat cqb

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/wilson.jpg)"

Is it supposed to be so Blue?
Did you get that max file I sent again?

I havent gotten it yet man, dont know whats up

LMAO, I dont know if its suppose to be blue? I just make the weps, coco and cobra sort all the small details out, hehe.

Mac, you knock me back my friend, thanks for maikng that, turned out pretty good, started out as a joke really, guess it will find a place in my arsenal.

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Erm, if that's not going to be released, is there any chance I could twist your arm and wangle it into MY arsenal?  I've got a Shayetet 13 specialist with his eye on it.

Don't make me boil your rabbit dude ;D

I am not opposed to it's release at all, I'll see if I can twist Mac's arm & put a small file together and get it up here. Somehow, Someway  :-[

Those nice SOAF maps will never be the same ;)

Its actually cobra's original texture cut down to shorty variant. I dont mind if he doesnt

I sent an email to Cobra, hope to hear something very soon....



@SC I have not forgotten your request, just been a bit on the busy side.

No problem at all. I'm a patient man when I need to be. I've got way too much school work to keep me occupied at the moment anyway.   :(

Cobra gave the okay, as soon as Hula boy gets back and gets me the files I will attempt my very first mod - only one weapon,but I guess you have to start somewhere.  

(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/wallbash.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/wallbash.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/wallbash.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/wallbash.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/wallbash.gif)

Thanks my man. Really good of you guys to do this :D

Mep,
Give your email and Ill send you the rsb and qob link.

Oh btw Whisper, "Hula Boy" is back from Hawaii. A tad hungover and jetlagged  ;D

Heres a sr16 with ics I was playing with. I need to size it down some and extend the stock

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/sr16laser1.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/sr16laser.jpg)"

very nice not bad for a hungover "Hula Boy"  ;D

Yeah! Mac can you send that one bud? Maybe slim the body thickness a small amount also? Looks great!

Mac I know you've done quite a few M96's but how 'bout making one from this pic?

http://www.robarm.com/M96%20w%20Accessories.jpg

Dont worry SC, already done, hehe. A good friend of DTD for the gun gossip forums sent me the pics a while back. By far the best Ive seen of that weapon. Keepen coming, nice to know your still looking for stuff, you know I get bored easily  ;D

Ahh ok. Is it going to be included in a mod anytime soon?

I thought I posted a ss of it. Ive noticed some are disappearing though  ;D

Hmm, I don't remember seeing a pic of it... And is there a snowballs chance in hell I could possibly get it from you??      ;D                              :P

Heres a 635 with a tank stock. It has somewhat of a muzzleflash  :D. Hey look on the bright side (no pun intended), what you dont kill with lead, the fires your sure to start with this thing will kill the tangos.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/635tanker.jpg)"

I know its blue, havent messed with the texture, thinkin Im going to have whisper camo it. We shall see.

So a dual-purpose weapon, rifle and flamethrower!  ;D

What about a taced out version of the M96 recon rifle (in tan or black  ;D )
(http://www.robarm.com/M96%20Tan.jpg)

Ogre,
I thought about it, maybe with a sd thrown on it. Ill see what I can come up with. Where is cobra when ya need him  ;D.

Heres a sd variant of my fav shorty of all time

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/macsgun5.jpg)"

yeah shes very cute!!

The Shorty is Not bad. It'd be nice for some of the more urban GR maps.
The SD on the M96 sounds cool! Stop teasing us!  ;D

What are you doing in terms of support weapons?
I'd love to see an update to the IDF M4 light support weapon. I think the front site was a tad too large on that bad-boy.

We have a few support weps  ;D

ogre,
I built the m96 tan texture today, added a aimpoint, some side rails, and sd. Ill build the model tomorrow.

You are too good to us!

Looking Good Mac,

You guys keep getting better, who said you were out of practice???

Find me online, I have  a question about the SR47CQB..

Ok ogre,

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/m96tan.jpg)"

Didnt turn out as good as I would have liked. I may do it over, color is not right either. Didnt adjust that

That's a helluva lot bet than I can do.  ;D
But you're right, the handguard looks a little odd.
The ribbing doesn't show up in the picture
Its still the first SD M96 I've seen for a mod.
If tan doesn't work out, there is a black version. That might be easier to texture, but may not fit in with the Afghanistan theme.

I came across this website trying to find out about Stoner's LMGs.
http://www.clgunclub.com/news/read.asp?id=20
These are airsoft replicas, but they're pretty cool.
(http://www.clgunclub.com/news/img2/2002102821394445731_big.JPG)
(http://www.clgunclub.com/news/img2/20021028221345423608_big.jpg)

MAC, can you send me those latest ones? I don't mean to pile it on ya, but do ya think you could whip up one of those bad boy minimi's from the last post for a specialist? Since you're always complaining that you've got no work to do, lol.... 8)

It's actually the Stoner 96 LMG currently being produced by KAC. I'd loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove to se one in the next mod as it is, imho, the best looking weapon ever created.       ;D

coco did one of those a while back didnt he?

You made one awhile ago, though some metal parts were now black like those pics. Also it was missing the linked ammo belt.

Stoner always made cool guns. Whatever you call it, its badass  ;D
I found these cool shots of an FN MAG 58 GPMG
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/341fnmag58b.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/341fnmag58c.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/341fnmag58f.jpg)

Yeah he was a true weapons genious.

I'm still holding out hope of an Crane SPR and an M60E4 making it into the mod............

That would be cool. And the Bizons. Whatever happened to those cool models of the Bizons?

SC, I'm having trouble finding references to the Stoner 96. Every site I go to has talked about the LMG or LMG-1 with no mention of the 96 (except for Robinson) Could you point me in the right direction?

Q_ARMM posted this nice comparison of the 63 and 86 Stoners

(http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/armm/images/Stoner_63_and_86.jpg)

The Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons, 5th Edition. Krause Publications, 2000

It's got five pages on the weapon talking about it's history and current specs. They state the guys working on it gave the Stoner 96 LMG designation, which I assume is official. I specifically bought the book just because it had the editorial on the weapon. Its got quite a few other pieces too, such as one on KAC, a nifty looky Parker-Hale sub-gun, the M249, MK19, crew served weapons, G36 series, An-94, etc.

Specs.

Name: Stoner 96 LMG
Caliber: 5.56mm NATO
Operation: Gas-Operated
Cyclic Rate: 600 RPM
Weight: 9.36 pounds (without bipod or buttstock); 16.07 pounds with bipod, loaded 200 rnd magazine
Length: 26 inches (without buttstock); 32.5 inches (with buttstock)
Barrel: 15.63 inches; quick change capability with head space adjustment: 1-7 inch twist.
Magazine: Linked 200 rnd M249 box magazine or M-16 rifle magazines, with adaptor unit.
Sights: Aperature rear, protected-blade front; integral sight rails for optical sights, other fire control systems
Maker: Knight's Armament Company
            7750 Ninth St.
            Vero Beach, Fl. 32968

Thanks SC. I'll have to try to find that one.
I think though I'll call it the LMG, 'cause otherwise I'll start confusing myself.
Which isn't hard  ;D

There's a mod Idea. All Stoner weapons. The only thing you wouldn't have is pistols. Now that I've written that, I'll find a Stoner pistol :)
Rifles, carbines, LMGs, sniper rifles, anti-material rifles. Wow.  

Glad I could help bud. Wish I could just cut and paste the whole article, it really is quite interesting. I just love that gun though.....        ::)

Yeah.

More fodder for support candidates. This is the MG42 the 7.92mm Father of the MG3
MG42
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/mg42crad.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/mg42crae.jpg)

Ogre, you da man....

1200 RPM goodness.        ;D

and don't get me started on you SC...

What'd I do now???     ;D


And this AMD 65 would make a great tango weapon for the mod.

http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/461amd.html

(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/432sacob.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/432sacoa.jpg)


 ;D

Time to share i think

(http://www.members.cox.net/mikeadams2/AA9126.jpg)

Yeah this new mod definately needs that E4 for the SEAL contingent.

More great pics and info here.

http://www.m60central.com/

 ;D
I'll bet Coco is saying to himself
"NOW!! they post the good pictures!! When I'm almost done! NOW!! Arggh!"  ;D


That E4 looks good. I wonder what kind of acessories could be put on it.
And guys feel free to post good pics here http://forums.gamegossip.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7393

Hell yeah I can  ;D

Ooo Ooo Ooo! ;D
That'll be great! Are you going to do the all black model or the silver version?
Personally I think black looks kickass.

Hey if the LMG can take KAC RIS rails, it should be able to mount a 40mm Grenade launcher. Hint Hint  ;D
It'd probably weigh a ton though.

All black and taced out. I thought it should have came out better. Coco can work on teh texture I guess. Thats all he needs is something else to do  ;D

Can you post a pic?

And what about the M60E4 and AMD???



 ;D

While we're at it what about the MG3 and FNMAG?  ;D

Seriously, here are some more shots of the stoner lmg, hope they help
(http://www.1086cn.com/ipsc/custom/img2/2002122920725740962_big.jpg)

(http://www.1086cn.com/ipsc/custom/img2/20021229201313395433_big.jpg)

(http://www.1086cn.com/ipsc/news/img2/2002102821394445731_big.JPG)

(http://www.1086cn.com/ipsc/news/img2/20021028221625499734_big.jpg)

I don't think there are any units in the mod that utilize the MG3. The FN MAG is another story though...

I grabbed a few pics of the m60. We have a m249 and stoner LMG taced out already. Lets not forget the theme here. Ill whip one up and we can see if it makes final cut.

Nice to see you back in business Mac, so much for lack of inspiration

Wait, so there won't be any German SF units in the mod?

What units will be represented?

U.S., U.K., Australia, Poland, Columbia....

Think that's it.  

Mac won't touch the M60E4, or the E1, 2 or 3  ;) or will he????

You might say that those are Moby Dick to his Captain Ahab...

Well hopefully Coco will see my enthusiasm for the weapon and churn one out.   :-X      (keeping my fingers crossed)

I firmly retract my earier statement, as we speak, Mac is working hard on the M-60 (In between rounds of kicking my butt in MP) ;D ;D ;D If we all send him warm and fuzzies he might just like it when he is done.  

Warm Fuzzies?
Whisper, you know Mac likes cold frosties! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/icon_lol.gif)

I did this for the community mod. Stalker wanted a ammo box. I dont like it due to the fact the ammo on the left side does not line up with the feed port or ejection port on the weapon.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/m60e4.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/m60e4-1.jpg)"

Orge, I will make another version without the ammo box. I will have short ammo belt on the left side. Should look better, who knows

That's not bad, The box seems a little tall though. I'd still use it.
A couple of other modders have used belts instead of boxes.
The big reason people like boxes is because it doesn't look odd to blaze away for a couple hundred rounds with a box, while it does with a short belt.
With the quality you pump out, people aren't going to care either way.
Noticed you put the holster/sling point helper on that model

Just saw this at Nishi's site
Nishi made the Stoner LMG!
(http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/nmm/news/stoner_ss1b.jpg)
(http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/nmm/news/stoner_ss2b.jpg)

Between you guys, Nishi, Earl, and Projectile my personal combo mod is approaching 200mb! I love it! ;D

Well the reason why it doesn't line up is because the ammo box mounts on the left side of the weapon on the ammo can hanger. Also there's a protrusion on the end of that tube (not sure if it's a gas tube or guide rod, etc) that shouldn't be there. Also the barrel should be alittle thicker and the triggerguard alittle less boxy.

If you fix up those little things it'll be awesome. The sight rail over the top cover of the receiver would be outstainding too. If you need, go to http://www.m60central.com/index.htm and look at the pics for perspective, as I said.

Thanks a lot Mac. I know you hate the weapon but the SEALs in the mod wouldn't be the same without the MK43 Mod 0.

-Edit-
Yeah I saw Nishi's model earlier today. The aimpoint is really in a bad spot as it's obstructed by the front sight post. Kinda funny lookin.  :D Other than that it is a great, albeit high poly model.

Nishi's also made two great models for Wildcat's Spec. Ops. skins mod, the XM177E2 and XM23 aka Stoner 63.
http://mercenariesproject.tripod.co.jp/

I knew about the box sc, I told stalker that. I redid it for this mod with jsut the belt. Should come out okay.

Nishi's model is damn good. Guys got skills
 His 60 is nice too.

I'm surprised Nishi went with the aimpoint. The Acog looks better.
He's put aimpoints on alot of his models, I guess he's used to 'em.

He uses that same scope for alot of his weps, its a nice texture but always too small in my opinion. Still a great model

as far the holster point goes, Earl at baconbomb.com has a great tool for these points. Makes it easier.

What's going on with the mod currently anyway. I know the burden is now on Coco's shoulders which translates into a huge workload. It's now been quite awhile since a main page update too.

I know that he has several scriptors working on Maps and Missions, but I think that the majority of the models/characters are done.

Although an update to the main page would be nice, maybe I'll volunteer to be the update guy? Earn my stripes? I know he likes to do all that himself though. "Mr. please I'd rather do it myself"

We are getting close. Working on finishing touches on weps, gun files, mission scripting, etc. Still dont have a date

Ok, thanks for the mini-update WM. Just wanted to know the details of what was going on at the moment.    :)

As for the M60 it's really had to explain without knowing the specifics of the terminology about the weapons parts. I'll do this instead.

(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/432sacob.jpg)

(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/m60e4.jpg)

(http://www.m60central.com/M60E4.jpg)

After looking at pics of the various models I see what it was you modeled I just think the barrel and attendant parts are alittle out of proportion. The triggerguard is fine though, I was mistaken. I'm sorry to give you such a hard time. I know you hate the weapon so I respect your efforts that much more. It's gotta be difficult to get these details right as none of us has ever utilized the weapons at all.

Hey dont get me wrong buddy. Im not busting your hump, lol. I see what your saying, I usually extrude a little more than I should possibly. I like a beefy looking weapon, hehe. Its really not the gun itself I hate, its the ammo I can never seem to make look right.

The trigger guard is too large and too square, you were correct. The pic I used to make the model was shot from the left side so the trigger guard wasnt showing. I kinda made it myself, without looking at other pics, lol. The barrel is obviously too thin as well. I like the pic you posted, Ill try that one and see if I can get closer.

Orge is also correct, the ammo box is too thin and too long. Looks strange looking at it now. Ill see what I can do with that pic, later bud.

Thatguy96 came across this weapon
(http://www.oberlandarms.de/arms/oabilder/images/oa-spr.jpg)
Its the OA-SPR rifle from Oberlandarms. Apparently its an SPR clone.
Might be good for reference, as most shots of the SPR are crappy.

I know that there is a good shot that Cobra6 has of the SPR (if it's not, it sure looks darn similar), maybe he'll post or allow it to be posted.

You guys all know how secretive these guys are about their stuff.  ::)

Also for anyone who wants a heads up, don't play Raven Shield online against Mac on the Streets Map, I think we ended up last night, DTDWardenMac - 27 Whisper_44 - 0, he holds an unfair home court advantage.  :( [All this with a ping of like 250-300] it was highly frustrating to say the least.

Good Games Mac, I look forward to more gunfights

You mean like this?
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/spw.jpg)

Cobra comes back with a bang. (no pun intended) Excellent work.

Hehe ;D
It's not even finished yet. Need to add some different parts to make it  "Gun Shop" quality. Give me a few day and I'll post another pic.

Piccolo posted these over at the ARMM forum
They're shots of the LSS magazine fed shotgun system for M4 type weapons

LSS torture test
(http://www.tacticalgames.net/piccolo/1000%20A.jpg)

Generation 4, 3, 2 Top to Bottom
(http://www.tacticalgames.net/piccolo/LSS%204,3,2,%20Lft%20Side%202%20A.jpg)

Gen 3 with stock and grips
(http://www.tacticalgames.net/piccolo/LSS%20Gen%203%20Lft%20w%20PGBSA%20A.jpg)
(http://www.tacticalgames.net/piccolo/LSS-SAC-2.jpg)

Good to see you slumming it bro! heh heh
Whatcha think about the shotgun here? Think a wep file for the underbarrel one could properly re-create the shotgun effect? Whatcha think?

Hell yes its good to see him

Oh and Whisper, dont feel bad, I GOT SKILLLLLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.  ;D

He's so modest (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/icon_lol.gif)

You guys might want to check this out
http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/hornet.html

From autoweapons
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/horneta.jpg)
"THESE 40MM AMMO INSERTS PACK SOME FANTASTIC FIREPOWER! MADE FROM PRECISION MACHINED AIRCRAFT ALUMINUM, THE HOUSING IS BORED OUT AND TEN (10) STEEL RIFLED .22 BBL'S ARE INSERTED. YOU LOAD UP WITH TEN .22 LR CARTRIDGES, INSTALL A LARGE PISTOL PRIMER AND FIRE YOUR GRENADE LAUNCHER. WITH ONE PULL OF THE TRIGGER ALL TEN ROUNDS ARE DOWN RANGE, MAKING FOR ONE OF THE ULTIMATE DENSE BRUSH ROUNDS. THE HORNET'S NEST IS MADE FOR A LIFETIME OF USE, NOT LIKE THE UNLINED, HOMEMADE 18 SHOT MODELS THAT WILL DAMAGE YOUR M79. IN ANODIZED RED ALUMINUM, COMPLETE WITH UNLOADER TOOL. $495"

Check it out Nishi put the ACOG on the LMG
(http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/nmm/news/stoner_ss4b.jpg)

I think it looks better.

Never a doubt in My Mind Mac..

Good to see Cobra6 has been hiding in the shadows, waiting.................

That front sight post is still obscuring the view though it does look a ton better with the Acog. Hopefully Nishi will use the M68 CCO he's got on that M1 to replace all his previous Aimpoint models. It looks a lot bettewr than his original.

Amen

Earl has sent me shots of the LSS and asked me to post them all over

So here they are
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/pfe9c329f4f355916841c3e81673f49bd/fc10388b.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p4dd379385d269ac4298baa654a8fc7f1/fc103895.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/pf2399d01ee2e86ded4033466d34f34dd/fc103899.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/pbcfd041b407ad2a3a1d52d66064508e7/fc10389d.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p7a9d134eef2d8dfd222f508f1ebe56d8/fc10389f.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p97ffd9a681f63caacd4d8ca57f24b15e/fc1038a3.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/pccfa01ba159fcc9997819a5a28cb5da2/fc1038a9.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p2dd3c48bc4b2a12ecc05aed8260d822a/fc103ad0.jpg)

Here are more shots of the LSS.
I have full sized versions for those that want and can email, and I believe Q_ARMM and WardenMac
will also be hosting them.
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p6c163f596db6c9b42476b4a3084fd2cb/fc103ad8.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p3f03cae3cc7d9923ee51cfdbb75ba473/fc103aeb.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p167f4599b980523e9dc8a9ef1203ee98/fc103afc.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p88d9f2c7cfe0e254c0dabd1e5fbb0b75/fc103b17.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p59ddc55ced2a195ac97c09bb4d53208f/fc103b4d.jpg)

Break me off some full sizes Ogre_h   ;D

I have some things to send you as well, you might be able to post them faster than I can.

email deleted

Yo, I'll take em too if it's cool ogre.    ;D

wally@pcom.net

OK, I just sent you guys what Earl sent me.
Its 3.5mb zipped so it may get bounced.
If the email gets bounced, I'll send again in pieces.

Whisper can you check your email box?
I'm getting alot of bounces.
I think Hotmail is being anal about message size.

Thanks ogre.    :)

Ogre_H

I received parts 2, 3 & 5


email@deleted should allow for the full zip

ooooooh Mac

Found something right up your alley
(http://www.dlask.com/images/dar701/minimoose_r.jpg)
(http://www.dlask.com/images/dar701/minimoose_l.jpg)

Mini Moose" model with 8.5" bull barrel, adjustable gas block, free-floating aluminum hand guard, full-length picatinny rail, ergonomic grip, 4-position collapsible stock. Price does not include Dlask front sight, ARMS rear sight, or magazine.  ;D ;D ;D

do you know this site?
Its got some big pics under Team&Gear.

http://www.czt.nu/ (http://www.czt.nu/)

(http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/nmm/news/m4sd_no_ss2b.jpg)

Nishi continues.......poly count is anyones guess

Whisper, I sent them again in two zips.
So far no bounces.

 ;D

Thanks Ogre_H, I have 3 total .zips to send to you, not sure on sizes, do you have any preset limits? I can send links for download if that might be easier for you?

Oh yeah I like that. You can bet Im gonna make that one, hehe. Thx bud

If I can ever take some pics of my Ar15 that are up to standard I will make the model. Just put the reddot scope and bipod on it. Looks sweet.

Actually for you Ar owners, there is a scope rail out with the middle drilled out, this allows you to still use iron sights. May have been out a while, first one I have seen though. I love it, great buy for 15 bucks. Ill continue with taking pics of it, may post some before I build model.

Whisper, I think as long as its under 10mb I'm golden.
Send away, if it gets bounced, I'll clear my mail and you can send again.

Here is my AR-15. I need to add a the clip. The pics arent turning out as good as I would have liked.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/macsar.jpg)"

I dunno, that doesn't look too bad.

Oh, Mac, if you're still having problems with the M60E4, Nishi did an E3 you may want to look at in NMM GR 2x. He has the box magazine hanging right at the feed ramp. It was a nice looking solution.

Way under the 10MB limit, sent 2 emails with .zip attachments rifles.zip pistols.zip and xd.zip let me know if you get them, or not

Got 'em
Will work on posting them tomorrow.

Here ya go whisper

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/minimoose.jpg)"

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

NICE JOB MAC!!!!!

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/pdw.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/pdw1.jpg)"

Heres my ar-15, I had to cut the barrel a little short to get it all in but other than that this is it. The color is off as usual, its actually black, lol, if you didnt notice. When I take the pics it has that damn blue tint to it that drives me crazy.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/macsar4.jpg)"

Lookin' good

I'v eposted the Springfield Armory shots Whisper sent me here

http://forums.gamegossip.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=913562#post913562

Lot of nice M1911's and M1/M14/M25's

Muzzle Flash a bit large for a small caliber suppressed weapon? or no?

I think your AR turned out nicely. The MP5K isn't bad either.  I hate those 15 rnd mags though.

Be a good sniper back-up

made the model of the mp5 for Sgt. Croc over at gr.net forums, hes cookin something up for the future

Anyone know of a mod with the HK USP Expert in it?

(http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/usp45_expert_large.jpg)
(http://www.hkpro.com/uspexpertrt.jpg)



Not an Expert but cool
(http://manta.univ.gda.pl/~kazik/tools/zdjecia/weapon/hk/usp_las.jpg)

Mac, Whisper suggested that I post these drum mags here as you were looking for some shots

pics of a chinese made 120rd drum for AR-15/m16 rifles (Note the chinese drums have an extremely poor reputation but this is a game, and who says they have to be chinese?)
(http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/magazines/chinese_120rddrum_rambo.jpg)
(http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/magazines/chinese_120drum_left_right_jaybell.jpg)

Back
(http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/magazines/chinese_120drum_back_jaybell.jpg)
Front
(http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/magazines/chinese_drum_front_jaybell.jpg)

90 round
(http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/magazines/firepowerardrum_rambo.jpg)

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/552seals1.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/552seals.jpg)"

OOooh
Nice

So when are you going to stop teasing us and release these bad boys?

Well ogre I just made that for the hell of it. I have a project Im workin on for whisper. I suspect he is up to something, so Im gonna make him wait  ;D

Make me wait huh? Might be longer than we both expect, I reformatted and am still ahving the same issues..

I am at a total loss  ???

That does look real nice, though I think the milling on the handguard is up alittle too high. Maybe it's just me...

 :P

Hey Mac lemme get those. 8)
Guys, I'm down to doing the kit images for the weps and it'll be a working beta...

That's really what I like to hear.     ;D  Nice o see you around Coco. Thanks for coming out of the pit and giving us an update.

Ill zipem up for ya today

Heres a desert m4, I like the camo scheme alot

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/m4desert1.jpg)"

Damn Mac that looks awesome. My only complaint is that the AN/PEQ-2 should be mounted directly on the top RAS panel. That spacer thing isn't needed. Sorry to be such a pain in the ass.      :(

No need to apologize for being a pain in the ass SC, the "spacer thingy" was in the pic so I modeled it. Hey and besides, I extended the stock for ya. What else do ya want?  ;D

Really. I've never seen one configured like that, might as well leave it then. And yes the stock looks sooooo much better with the butt extended.   ;)    ;D   The model is really sweet though. Most definately gonna be one of my fav's in the mod.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/silencedm4.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/silencedm41.jpg)"

nice camos there Mac!!

What i wanted to say is thank you to Whisper and Ogre_h for the Springfield Armory Pics :-)
(http://people.freenet.de/greg_p1/m14sa.jpg)

Raven did you make those models? Great stuff man. I really like the rifle.

yep, thats all my work. I'm glad you like it :-)

Love these M4's Mac,superb work,and I love the wpn No. adds a bit of realism to it!!

That desert camo M4 reminds me of Earl's SOPMOD. Very cool.    8)



Raven - Those models look great. Keep it up.    :-[

Very very Cool! Great work both of you!

Nice job there Raven, glad you made use of those pictures...

@Mac, I'll be up and running again very soon, isolated my PC problem, turns out my Vid Card took a  crap, never imagined a hardware problem, but alas right there in front of me the whole time, looks like it's time for an upgrade  ;D ;D ;D

Mac, I just sent you two images of a Camo schemed SOPMOD. Maybe you can use em. I zipped em up, the title being "SOPMOD Pics".

-Edit-
The mail got bounced back, I sent it to your hotmail account. Maybe it was the size, it's about 1.5 megs for two images zipped.    ???

SC my bet is his email is full (that's cuz he never checks it) ;D, I can get them to him if you want to send them to me?

mikeadams2@cox.net

Sounds good to me Whisper. Thanks.   :)

Email and file received, I will pass it along as soon as I see Cowboy

Thanks again Whisper. Like I said I just hope they come in handy....

My new video card - I fried my NVIDIA running 1600 x 1200  ;D

(http://images.bestbuy.com/images/esku/custom/11222760cv1A.jpg)(http://images.bestbuy.com/images/esku/angle/11222760anA.jpg)
PRODUCT FEATURES
 Powered by RADEON 9600 PRO graphics processor
 
 128MB DDR SDRAM memory
 Quad-pipe architecture delivers real-time cinematic rendering and animation
 SMARTSHADER 2.0 supports DirectX 9.0 and the latest OpenGL functionality and feature sets for more complex and cinematic-quality lighting effects
  SMOOTHVISION 2.1 delivers sharp, clear textures without sacrificing frame rate
 128-bit full floating rate point precision enables billions of color variations to render professional-quality lighting and effects
 Full AGP 8X support doubles gameplay fun by doubling the available bandwidth
 FULLSTREAM removes blocky artifacts from streaming Internet video for smooth, high-quality content
 CATALYST 3D acceleration software included

Nice card
But will it render a model of this AR?
(http://www.sacairsoft.com/albums/album10/redneck_swiss_army_gun.sized.jpg)

 ;D

You model it, I will test it :)

Nice vid card Whisper. Beats the hell outta mine.

All that gun needs is a fridge and a grill and I'd be sold.     ;D

why would anyone need 4 flashlights...??? lol

AND a Spotlight. Don't forget the Spotlight!  ;D

Whisper I just got back into town, send away. I cleared my email. I think I can accept something that big, not sure. If it comes back, let me know.

@ Mac I'm in vegas bud, will be back in town Sunday night, if SC doesn't send it to you before I get back , we'll do that Sunday if you are on. I got my PC up and running again as I am sure you saw. Ready to roll when you feel like target practice.  :-[

Damn, that's just not fair.  ;D   Hope you have a great time.


Tried sending it again Mac, still got bounced back.    :o

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/552folded.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/552folded1.jpg)"

SC, I think it may be too big bro, thx anyway.

Tried sending them to Coco too but, alas, no go.    :(


On a side note colt has some really outstanding pics on their site.

http://www.colt.com/mil/downloads.asp

Ive made a few new models, the sig 552 sd folded, and a green m4 shorty. Pics will not show up for some reason.

SC, yeah you are correct, the colt site has some great pics. I grabbed them a while back.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/greenm4.jpg)"

 :DMan, those are really nice!

Heres a mp5 I did for someone

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/crocsmp5.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/crocsmp51.jpg)"

Those are very hot Mac, nice job as usual.

Thx SC, I thought it turned out well. Not that crazy bout the color though.

On which the MP5? I think it looks good but I guess there is like a kind of "scaling" effect on the stock. Still though it's nice and badass.    8)

Yeah you are correct. There was a sling attached to the weapon. I used my limited photoshop skills to take it out  ;D

Looks good MAC, I'll be on later tonight for some MP, finally..we can talk about the CQB stuff too..

Did you clone stamp it?

Here are some more shots of the SPR
Claimed to be a Mk12 Mod1 SPR/B
(http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/M4_Carbine/spr_b.jpg)

MK 12 Mod 1 SPR/a
(http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/M4_Carbine/spr_a.jpg)

Mk 12 Mod 0 SPR
(http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/M4_Carbine/spr1.jpg)


(http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/Special_Forces-Philippines/a_sfp46.jpg)

Mac, just remembered, I can transfer the SOPMOD pics to you over ICQ unless Whisper has some way of getting them to you.

damn that mp5 is nice!!!
mac, could you post a wireframe picture of it? I'd just like to see how you work please. Perhaps i can learn something.  ;D

I will MSN messenger them, or upload and link, whichever might be easier for Mac.  ;D

Nice SPR pics Ogre_h.. very nice.. gotta get me one of those.
Off Topic but Earl is at it again..  :o


(http://www.baconbomb.com/modworks/screens/cdnops2_tac50_07.jpg)

Great, thanks Whisper. I'll owe ya one.    

Guys and Gals, I will be deleting alot of the old posted pics of weapons I have made in this and other topics. I will leave the latest pics up. It seems I have uploaded nearly 1gb of various items and my isp asked me to clean some of it out  ;D. I will continue to post future work, just getting rid of the old stuff.

I actually cut a small piece of the stock and pasted it over the sling.

Pfft. Jeez is that it?!?! Slacker.      ;D

@ SC - File delivered  ;D

Mac's doing some great new stuff, saw a texture last night. I think Coco is getting close too, IMHO seems when he doesn't update - means he's getting ready to drop the  bomb. I guess we shall see. (fingers crossed)

Thanks again Whisper.    ;)

Good! I can't wait to play!

Here's an FJ Vollmer Conversion HK51b Belt-Fed machine gun!

(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/hk51ba.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/hk51bb.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/hk51bc.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/hk51bd.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/hk51be.jpg)

I actually made that weapon for the comm mod If I remember correctly.

Is that mod ever going to be released?

Posted today over at GR.net by Stalker Zero
Ok an update.........

My dad had the angiogram done monday. And they decided to do the angioplasty right then. There were two blockages in two arteries so in one procedure a stent (very tiny spring like device) was placed in one artery opening it up. And the following day (they kept him overnight) they placed another stent in the other artery.
They kept him another night and now today we are picking him up to go home. Everything looks great so far. And today is his birthday as well.

60 years young today. heh heh.  
I have been extremely busy taking care of home and family and I even am in the process of losing my bedroom.
So I have to worry about installing some cable to the basement so I can have access to the home router. (the basement oh god no!!!)  

But I have to give it up so dad can have the bedroom near the bathroom. So until my life at home calms down I am yet again delaying this mod.

Please try to understand. Its almost done. Just some stuff has to be assembled yet.

Thank you all for your patience.

This post has been edited by Stalker_Zero on Jun 18 2003, 10:16

Alright people, dont bash me too hard now. Whisper and me made an attempt at a custom (built from several pics) spr. He has a custom camo scheme to apply as well.


"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/spr3.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/spr4.jpg)"

That's ok considering it's a kit-bash job.

You guys should've finished what Cobra started or asked him to do so. I think it's a great start, I'd love to have it.    

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/spw.jpg)

Ok won't bash too hard :)
Is the scope supposed to have a RIS attachment on it?
The texture needs to be leveled out colorwise
The reciever looks a tad large in comparisson to the rest of the rifle.

(http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/M4_Carbine/spr_b.jpg)
(http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/M4_Carbine/spr_a.jpg)

Remeber this rifle is in basic form an accurrized M4 with or without SD. On top of that its got a KAC RIS system with associated gizmos and doo-dads.
You may want to take an Mk11 mod 0 model/texture, and slap a carbine stock and a 5.56 magazine on it. As the pics show, you can also use a fixed stock.
The airsoft sites have loads of shots of m4's and stoner rifles with RIS systems and accessories. You may want to check 'em out.

I think a basic black and camo model would be good. The prob with camo models is that the camo won't work on all maps. But black is perfect for all occassions :)

I have, no response.

This is what Im going for folks

http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/M4_Carbine/c_spr04.jpg

The Camo that Mac wants is a work in progress i hope to have another sample for him tonight, first run was a bit too cartoonish I think, I've been expirimenting with the overlay property in my camo layer, with practice I think I can get this done.

If anyone can get Cobra6 to finish his, it would be great, (SC, why not pester him? ;D) as to the rail on top of the scope, it's actually in that original spr pic that has been out there for a while (gun has a greenish hue).

Whisper, you may want to go through the Phillipine albulm, as they have some very nice camo patterns you can sample.

Sites like this have camoed stocks you may be able to get a pattern off of
http://www.jarrettrifles.com/prod_stocks.htm
http://www.rimrockstocks.com/
http://www.truwoods.com/patterns.asp

Changing gears, this is the Battle 7 pump action shotgun. It fires mini-shotshells
I posted these a long time ago, and they've gone down, so I dug 'em out and am re-posting 'em
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p18f988aee79032c83f87701e78766807/fbe350d3.jpg)

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p0642d92cda9a902495c9288ae28c8680/fbe350d0.jpg)

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p13d2e66997e4e61a711486dbbe2b73f9/fbe350cf.jpg)

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p3941befcfb72bb4d1240077b9ccd7b8b/fbe350ce.jpg)

Here's the "civie carbine" version with 20in barrel

(http://www.southernohiogun.com/images/MAG-7M1.jpg)

either version has a 5 round mag firing 12 gauge (12 bore -60mm) minishells

(http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/mag7.jpg)

 ;D Coco promised pictures and  afurther update tomorrow... YIPEEEEEEEEE

Sorry guys, just not into modding like I was. I have been working on this super hi-res m203 though. I think this is what you are looking for


(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/newspw.jpg)

Here is the 203. Its half size and half way done

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/m203rev.jpg)

way to go cobra!!!!!!!!! looks good!!

Welcome Back Cobra...  ;D

Hi Cobra! You know we miss seein ya around and all. You'll prolly re-catch the modding bug once to tools for RvS come out.    ;D

Now on to business. Got one comment for both, then two more for the SPR.

1) On both weapons, would it be possible to include the right side of the receiver (shell ejection port,etc) on the texture so Mac can use it on the model. It looks so much more realistic than mirroring a texture on both side.

SPR
1) For some reason only 20 round mags are used on the weapon, at least they are in all the pics I've seen.

2) The SPR's also have what looks like an AK74 style muzzle break/flash hider. Be great to see on the texture as well.


Ok that's it for now, I promise.   ;D  Again, good seein ya around Cobra.  

SC and orge,
The things pointed out on the custom spr model can be corrected. However, no compromises on the camo, thats the reason we wanted the gun in the first place. If Whisper cant match the scheme, probably wont release it.

On cobra's weapons,
I can include the right sides no problem. 20 or 30 rd mags? I would assume if most could have a choice, it would be thirty (if possible, dont know anything about the weapon. If its a m4 variant, it should take 30). I agree with the muzzle break, makes the weapon stand out some.
If he makes it, Ill model it for sure.

Should have checked my email first before the last post, hehe. Jean came through with some great pics of the spr. I will scrap what has been done so far, and begin again. Im sure Whisper will be happy to hear that  ;D

Ooooohhhh, can I get copies?    ;D

Let me see how it turns out first. If its good, I will have coco add it to the mod.

edit, nevermind. I got hooked-up.    ;D

Whoa!
Cobra those weaps are great
I've been dying for a good m4/m203! Don't forget the SD version  ;D

Mac, I didn't say no camo I said camo AND black  I'm greedy ;D
If you're only going to relase a camo version, would you consider sending me the black texture?

I'd vote for the 30 rd mags too. I've seen pics with both. Why handicap the game?

(I'm at another pc and don't have my PWD :( )

I have seen the goods...  ;D  I will attempt that pattern that Mac and J-M are requesting.. wish me luck..



The Silenced is deafening

Good Luck ;D
Can you post the pics you're using are is that hush-hush?

Hey guys, spider c$k asked me to do a review of his British Commandos mod which I did. I think it turned out ok and Rocky was kind enough to mention it on the main page.  http://www.ghostrecon.net/forums/index.php?s=61363fdc8d93e91302e8355c2348c474&act=ST&f=12&t=6349&view=getlastpost    

Soooooooo I hereby promise to write one for the new mod. Sound cool?

As always SC your input is appreciated bro.

I will attempt to build another spr tonight, gotta do some grillin first, drinkin, and eatin. I will keep ya posted

Got both sides of the 203. Finishing up the right side now. The SPR mag can be changed in about 2 minutes (aint Photoshop great)
I plan on finishing the 203 tomorrow.

Alright, SC, Orge, if you dont like this one, build your own, lmao. This is the best I can with the textures I have. Serioulsy, this is pretty close, taken from actual pics of the gun.

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/spr1.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/spr2.jpg)"

The scope texture needs to be darkened and of course Whisper is applying the camo. Ill keep ya posted on how it looks when hes done.

Cobra,
Good to see ya man. Bout time to get back in the game isnt it? Im tired of hearing Whisper whinnin (best girly voice) "it doenst look anything close to what cobra puts out",  ;D

Just finished up the best M16 plain jane I have ever done. The texture is 14.5mb ;D I am also finishing up an M4 Commando (same 14 mb size) ;D and of course I will finish the M203 tomorrow. Also I have a real cool M16 shorty I think you will like it.

hmmmm 14 megs huh? I feel a 2048x1024 model coming on  ;D. That should drive coco crazy, not that I would ever want to do that  ;)

I want to see that one! ;D

Mac that SPR looks awesome!
Is there going to be an SD version?

Thanks, I worked hard on it. about a hour on piecing the textures and 40 minutes building and texturing the model. I liked it. As for as the sd is concerned, maybe. It would be easy to add, and probably needed.

! Mac, that's perfect! I think your the first in the GR community with an in game SPR! can we 2 versions? (with and w/o camo).

might just be me, but it looks like the position of the model needs to be lowered a bit.

Yeah, thats a easy fix in max. Glad ya like it. IF the camo scheme from Whisper comes through, it will be very nice.

if the camo gonna look anything like this: media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/M4_Carbine/c_spr04.jpg I'll be happy ;)

while i'm being picky, how about an anpeq laser aiming thing on the side?

That is exactly what we are going for. I will see about the laser.

Mac that is f-in awesome!!! I just love the look of the SPR, I kinda like the A2 stock better but that only a personal preference I guess. Thanks for extending the buttstock.   ;D And I swear I've only seen the 20rnd mags used with it. Maybe JMH can shed some light on the subject.

Cobra, I can't wait to see what you've done. The details just gotta be unbelievable judging from the size of the textures. I hate being a pain but could you extend the stock as well. I think it looks a million times better and is more realistic.

Thanks for all the hard work you guys have done. I really hope that beta drops soon.   8)

Extending the stock is a piece of cake. All I need is for Mac to tell what size he wants it and then I can add it.

Im not sure about the mag. My theory is this, if it will take 20, it will take 30. Which would you carry in battle? I know the extra weight and that argument, but realistically I would prefer the extra 10 rds.
Im sure it makes a world of diff, I was really amazed how much weight the rail, red dot scope, and bipod added to my ar-15.
My son is in Tekrit or whatever the name of the town is (saddam's hometown) and doing well. Hes carrying 4 30 rd mags, not counting one in the gun obviously. Says the weapon does get heavy, but likes having the extra ammo  ;D. He needs more in my opinion.

Actually orge, I do have a m16 already made that is 2048x1024  ;D

Cobra - Thanks man. You guys are great.  ;)


Mac - I'm just saying that every pic I can think of that features operators in the field with that SPR all had the 20 rnd mags in the weapon. ogre said he's seen otherwise. I'd really like to see the pic so I'm proven wrong. I just want this to be perfect so other annoying people like me don't bitch and moan.

It is not one of my habits to post in a public forum, but I will answer your question as best as I can, Suicide_Commando. Firstly, I posted the official Department of Defence concerning the Special Purpose Receiver used by United-States Army SOCOM :

Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) for the M16/M4-series rifles and carbines

Notice Date : 4/1/2002

Description : This announcement is for the re-initiation of an earlier project that was delayed due to urgent support of current hostilities. This announcement constitutes a Commercial Agency Announcement (CAA) and a synopsis of an upcoming solicitation. This CAA cancels and replaces SOL N00164-01-R-0103. This CAA is advisory only, alerting industry to the government's plans to publish a Request for Commercial Offerings (RCO) solicitation, and summarizing the future RCO for industry information.

The Navy is issuing this CAA on behalf of the U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) Special Operation Peculiar Modification (SOPMOD) Program and other federal agencies. A solicitation will be published on or about 19 April 2002 that seeks to award IDIQ contracts to vendor(s) who can provide accessory parts and assemblies for performance improvements to the M16/M4-series rifles/carbines.

Specifically required are Special Purpose Receivers (SPRs) for both short and long range precision fire, with improved MILSPEC 1913 rail interfaces, as well as related improved weapons parts and assemblies. These improvements may be Non-Developmental Items (NDI), Commercial Off-The-Shelf (COTS), or NDI/COTs that can be rapidly developed into suitable items for U.S. Special Operations and Law Enforcement.

Background : Special Operations Forces (SOF) operates around the world in extreme conditions including underwater, surf-zone, desert, arctic, jungle, and urban environments. They subject their weapons and equipment to extremely high usage rates and stresses. Due to the manner in which SOF utilizes its equipment, normal military specifications are in many cases not stringent enough to support SOF use. Although the currently fielded M16-series Rifles and M4A1 Carbines meet military performance specifications, these weapons have exhibited performance characteristics that do not meet SOF requirements when subjected to the extreme operational conditions imposed upon them by SOF operators.

General, Objective 1 (SPR Rail Interface) : Sources are sought for new SOPMOD rail interface designs. The SOPMOD program is not seeking alternate sources for the currently fielded SOPMOD Rail Interface System (RIS, NSN 1005-01-416-1089), rather is seeking alternative Forearm rail subsystems with improved operational performance characteristics :

(A) Rail Positions : As with the current SOPMOD RIS, MILSPEC 1913 rails are still required in the 12:00, 3:00, 6:00, and 9:00 positions on the rifle/carbine forearm. As an objective, the SPR 12:00 rail will be continuous and unbroken from the rear of the upper receiver to the forward gas assembly to permit rigid mechanical alignment of eye-axis aiming accessories.

(B) Forward Compatibility With Future EGLM : A rigid or monolithic interface method is desired that will allow a future EGLM to be mounted in the 6:00 position, while

(1) Withstanding the shock of firing all currently fielded 40mm Low Velocity rounds,
(2) Maintaining zero repeatability of the EGLM when removed and remounted,
(3) Allow the EGLM to be mounted as closely to the rifle/carbine barrel as possible without interfering with host weapon barrel harmonics during firing.

General, Objective 2 (SPR Performance) : To ensure system balance, also sought are rifle/carbine parts, components, subassemblies, or modifications that enhance reliability, endurance, safety, and operational performance as compared to the current M16/M4 series rifles/carbines. The Government is not seeking alternative sources of current parts for the current M16-series/M4A1 carbines, rather is seeking alternative parts and subassemblies that significantly increase weapon reliability and performance.

(A) Parts And Subassemblies :

These improvements, listed in priority order of government interest, may include new and improved

(1) Magazines,
(2) Bolt assemblies/bolt carrier groups,
(3) Barrels,
(4) Upper receivers and upper receiver groups,
(5) Trigger, sear, and hammer sets, (6) ambidextrous weapon controls,
(7) Flip-up/spring-up front and rear iron sights,
(8) Front and rear pistol grips,
(9) Buttstocks, and
(10) Bipods any other components of, or mechanical accessories to, the M16-series/M4A1 carbines, with the exception of the lower receiver.

The government wishes to avoid modifications to the lower receiver.

(B) Versions : The SPR, should be optimized for

(1) Precision fire operations, and
(2) A capability to adapt weapon to mission needs with barrel lengths appropriate to the operational mode.

The barrel lengths are nominally 9 to 11.5 inches for close quarters battle and 16 to 18 inches for precision fire. All versions must fit M16/M4 series lower receivers. Parts commonality between the two versions is a secondary goal.

(C) Other Performance Goals :

(1) Increased reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, lubricity/reduced friction; fully functional for a minimum of 15,000 rounds (Threshold)/30,000 rounds (Objective), performing up to the standards and firing rates to be published in the Solicitation, functional reliability exceeding that of the standard M4A1 carbine at high and low temperature extremes as well as other hostile (sand/dust/dirt/mud/surf) environmental conditions

(2) Improved safety- delay cook-off, fail-safe features, fires/functions safely and without delay of draining in the Over-The-Beach (surf zone, weapon flooded with water) environment.

(3) User Acceptance: operational suitability, increased live-fire hit scores, decreased live-fire engagement times, speed/accuracy of engagement, controllability in semi-automatic and full automatic fire, improved handling qualities, light weight, snag free in movement through vegetation and battlefield obstacles.

Now concerning the magazine question, the answer is quite simple. Currently, the civilian clone of the SPR, which is now quite popular, use regular twenty-rounds magazines and pre-ban thirty-rounds magazines. Yet, the military version, can use the issued thirty-rounds magazines and the now rare twenty-rounds magazines. Hope that is what you wanted to know...

Yes, that clarifies the matter completely. I just thought there was something more to it, as I've said the only pics I've seen feature the older 20 rnd mags which is odd. Like Mac said I too would want a 30 rnd in the gun as, if I were in the field, my very life might depend on the extra 10 in the gun.

Soo I now fully relent my opinion, and have thus been doubly enlightened.

I know what your saying SC. Dont worry SC I listen to your bitches and moans becuase I know you. Other frequent forum goers as well, anyone else, I usually ignore  ;D

lmao, that's why I love you guys.     ;D

I really can't wait to see Whisper's camo texture on it. I remember I posted a pic of an SPR too way back in the day thinking it was a MK11 Mod 0. It's gonna be great.    ::)

lol, well in that case i should be doubly greatful to you Mac for not ignoring my posts.

Thanks Mac! :)

 ;D just clownin around as usual

lol, good one JTF.    ;D

SC, that pic JTF-2 references has a 30rder and a carbine stock, no SD though.
media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/M4_Carbine/c_spr04.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/view_photo.php?set_albumName=M4_Carbine&id=c_spr06 this has a fixed stock ;D

Now that I've mopped up the drool.  ;D
 

Yeah thats a nice weapon, I made that weapon, did not turn out well at all. No detail.

Yeah, I'm wrong....  A very rare thing indeed.     ;D

Mac how were those camo SOPMOD pics that Whisper was able to get you?

lol. i know mac. ;D

thanks for all the hard work all of you are putting into this. it really shows. this is gonna be one of the great mods...

And, I always liked this one.

(http://specwargear.com/images/weapon-spr-2.jpg)

I guess I could try a jungle camo

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/spw.jpg)

That looks great cobra  ;D. Since  your in the mood, how bout this shorty, ole buddy, ole pal, ole friend of mine?  ;D

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/shorty.jpg)"

You know what? He never sent them. Hes a lazy bast....   ;D

Cobra, that does look cool.

You know, I love the Navy's CQBR M4. It's real spiffy lookin. And the DEVGRU operators protecting Karzai looked like they really meant business during that assassination attempt way back now.

Here's a pic of the actual receiver.    
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/view_photo.php?set_albumName=M4_Carbine&id=cqbr

Whisper said he sent em to ya..... I've got to look around about getting some webspace.

Like this?
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/macsm4.jpg)

That will work  ;D. Finally broke down and bought RS and UO again. Played a friend online with the Tac Mod  ;D. Had to go ole school, lmao.

Thats BS and u know it ;D get on now, get Mike to host, we'll see, all that lag didnt know what the hell i hit!

 ;D Calm down man, I wasnt implying anything. When I said ole school, I meant the game itself.  ;)

What do you think?

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/silencedm4.jpg)

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/silencedm4short.jpg)

I think you've really freakin outdone yourself Cobra.     :o

-edit- I think that laser designator is on backwards though. Should be facing the other way, if I'm not mistaken.

I guess I was the only one who did not catch that ;D

Stop teasing us man!!Are you making these Warden?

(http://members.lycos.co.uk/calumkeen/hpbimg/M4_CQB_Cammo_2.jpg)

This is my attempt

Yeah I will make them, cobra making a few changes to it for me.

Almost there!

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/silencedm4rev.jpg)

Me likes Cobra!!!,I have one made with the surefiregrip,by snowfella,but I do like the peq mounted on the top RIS tho!

It's awesome. What else is going on it? One orther tiny thing I noticed is those screws on the 1913 rail, on the side with the AN/PEQ. I think they come off with the carry handle.

And it's great to see you back in the saddle again Cobra. That sig pick would have me cracking up if it weren't for the hell I know you went through.  8)

God dam you boys have been hard at work go to hospital for a 5 week stay come back an your almost finshed an i must say all those pics look amazing can't wait to get my hands on this one. :D

What happened?

You know what? He never sent them. Hes a lazy bast....   ;D

you are such a a lying Sac Mac...I sent them to you last week..if you misplaced them in a drunken stupor, that's not my fault ;D ;D (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)

I dont recall that. I think you were drinkin

well Whisper some dipshit hit me with his car an needless to say i came of second best snaped my right leg like a toothpick along with my hip got a steel rod an a hole load of screws in it now.Got a broken nose an some cuts an stuff to but i gess thats life could have been alot worse. ;)

Screws? LMAO, SC, back away from the computer, grab a beer, relax, get a girlfriend to come over, put some Pat Green on, kick back. You need to get out more man.

Shit kazan....

(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)

to your health my friend..get much better soon

LOL!!!

I need to get out more?!? Hmm well let's see in recent memory you've talked about playing the new D.F. game, buying RS/UO, playing multiplayer in addition to modding. I only play GR, and rarely at that nowadays. I am, as you know, a very active member of the community because many modders seem to find my comments helpfull.

Additionally, after my last post yesterday I went golfing for two hours, went to a barbaque and went out on my friends 24 foot Baja. Did you do anything more eventfull than me yesterday? The parable "practice what you preach" comes to mind.      ;)

Now if you just want me to shut up about my critiques then just say so instead of posting some misinformed comment about my perceived lack of a social life. Believe me it's more than average for a guy my age.  

Kazan - I'm so sorry to hear that.  ??? I can't even imagine ever having to go through something like that. Please accept my humblest condolences and wishes of a speedy recovery.   :)

Last semester I read a short story in a Composition class about Stephen King's ordeal of his own near fatal incident of getting hit by a van. It was basically about how he had to rediscover his love of writing and about his wife whom has helped him get through all the hardships in his life, especially the last ordeal. Anyway, as I said, I hope you're doing ok, all things considered that is.  

What do you guys think?

Its a M14 conversion

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/mz14.jpg)

That sight must be about the size of a baseball bat!!!.........it's not my cup of tea Cobra,keep the M4 CQBR's coming tho!! ;D

I prefer the Troy Industires SOPMOD 14

Q_ARMM has confirmed that the SPR is officialy designated the Mk12.
the different mod numbers "depend upon which optic is mounted (2.5-8x vs 3.5-10x), which free-float forearm is used (PRI vs KAC), which service assembled the rifle (Navy vs Army), and whether or not the SPR uses a M4A1 or M16A1 lower receiver."

Calm down there  buddy. It was a joke. I dont even see screws on that damn weapon. OH and I did plenty yesterday, I drank some beer, grilled some steaks, drank some beer, went to movie, drank some beer, you sense a pattern here?

Cobra, is that the scope off my deer rifle?  ;D

Sorry if I sounded kinda pissy. Was a long, hot day at work today I guess....  


As for the M14 conversion Cobra it is...uhm... unique.     ;D

Dont sweat the small shit bro, no need to apologize, we are all friends here. I was just clowning around, as usual  :D

Yeah I was just kinda pissed off at the not getting out remark in conjunction with the fact that some bastard stole my C.I.A. emblem zippo lighter while I was at a club on Friday night. My best friend gave it to me for Christmas a coupla years back. That'll teach me that being a nice guy doesn't pay off, never trust a women to watch your stuff. Not like I shoulda been smoking in the first place, I just can't go out to something public like that and not.   >:(  Anyway at least I've found the place where my friend bought it and a replacement is on the way.

hmmm....pissed huh, hehe. You should not let me know its that easy to get a rise out of ya. I just may start pissing ya off more, lol.
Stop smoking, its bad for your health, stunts your growth.

Thank's SC not doing to bad guna take some time to heal.Anyway i like that M14 conversion cobra did  ;D different but looks cool.

Uhh...guys that's a Ruger mini-14, not an m14. The mags a give-away
Its a wild conversion and I want to play it.  ::)  ;D

Heres an Israeli M4/203 and what looks like a Negev in the background
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/94260/6_25_062403_israel.jpg)

Coco forgot about us?   :( :( :(

Mac said Coco is really busy squashing bugs of all kinds. He also said he'd light a fire under Coco's ass to get some new pics posted.   ;D

We are getting close, close enough I think.


(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/spr5.jpg)

Oh yeah BABY!

updated

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/spr6.jpg)"

Whisper did damn good on this one guys. Not easy to match, we got close, as stated, close enough.

That is amazing. You guys both did on exemplary job.     ;)

!!! WOW. that looks great. thanks guys. ;D

Oh YEAH BABY!  ;D

Ok where's the SD version? No we're not demanding  ;D

Really good work.

I think we can find an SD to put on there, and pretty sure I can do that camo again  ;) we'll see

Do the camo again? It looks pretty good right now. I just don't know about putting it on the magazine though.

I meant recreating it for the SD, not redo-ing the whole thing..

Duh! [smacks forhead]

@ Ogre_H - No worries man...truthfully that was the hardest texture job I have ever done. I'm just glad that J-M liked it.  ;D

The actual gun we are attempting to imitate is camoed (not a word I know) on the barrel, scope, clip, etc. The entire gun. That is why this model is camoed entirely.

Camoed : Military jargon

Camouflaged : Civilian language

Did anyone here know that WardenMac was a crack sniper?

LOL

Silenced, in Texas camoed is civilian language  ;D

I stumbled across this site on an unrelated search.
www.nouglyguns.com
they make custom camo stocks, and may be a nice source for camo patterns for texturing.
an example
(http://www.nouglyguns.com/AK47.jpg)

CETME in Afghan Camo
(http://www.nouglyguns.com/cetme1.jpg)

Custom m14
(http://www.nouglyguns.com/m14.jpg)

HeHe, nice find Ogre_H, looks like some of my early stuff..

side note: Coco did another update, 2nd one in ten days.. we are getting close I can feeeeeeel it. Beta release soon  ;D

(http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/SPR-A.jpg)
(http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/HK/G36c-2.jpg)
(http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/Area51/DESERTTOYS.jpg)

(http://world.guns.ru/machine/mk48mod0_2.jpg)

MK 48 Mod 0
A scaled up 7.62mm version of the Mk 46.

http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg38-e.htm


Mac, are we going to see some of Cobra's excellent creations in game soon?   ;D

Here is a Galil ARM

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/galil.jpg)

Nice 50 rd mag  ;D

I like that Mk48. Any chance of it making the mod or is it too late?

Yeah, that mag is huge.   ;D

And I don't think it'd be too dificult to make the 48. All you really need is that high-qual image of the 46 from the FN USA webpage and make it look alittle beefier. I too would like to see it in the mod. I just love support weapons I guess.   ::)

How about an MG42?

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/mg42.jpg)

Mac, are we going to see some of Cobra's excellent creations in game soon?   ;D

Yeah, saving them to my folder now. I love the galil. just a mean lookin sob isnt it?

The Galil should look real good in the game. Merged some good textures together for that one.

Gee... only 1200 rounds per minute? I dunno.  ;D

Heres the galil. Sorta big ss

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/galil.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/galil1.jpg)"

Wow, that turned out great. Would've been perfect for IDF. I hope Cobra finishes those M4's soon so they can go in the new mod. They were looking really outstanding.

Mac...that Galil looks really good!

How about a VZ-61 Skorpion
(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/vz61.jpg)

At this point sc we just about have all the weps we need. Especially the m4 variants, you will not believe how many  :D.  I will send coco the finished spr whisper and I did, due to the fact there is already one in the game. This last one blows it away though.
Cobra usually adds something to the beta too, hehe.

Oh, ok. I just thought that CQBR M4 should've definitely been included since there's more an more pics of SEAL's fielding the weapon coming out.

damn that galil is nice!!

That Galil is sweet.
Can you give us a partial list of what weaps will be in the mod?

Wouldnt that spoil the surprise  :D

No a partial list would be a tease the full list would spoil the surprise.  ;D

I am very happy to see Cobra6 back in the gunsmith chair, even if he decides to take another break, it's good to see you back.  ;D

Keep turning them out.

Nice job on that Galil Mac, translated nicely!

Here's to my boys
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Thought I'd try a different question out today, what kind file size are we looking at for the mod? I assume it's gonna be really big what with the retextured maps and all.

duh!! good question!

I dont know guys. To tell the truth I dont even have the beta  ;D. I like to be as surprised as you do. I want it just as bad.

Coco feed the sharks bro, post some shots.

Yeah I agree man, good stuff.

Cobra do you have a handguard with more detail? In game the one you did didnt turn out that well. 'Think its the camo layer. How bout a diff handguard and a aimpoint?

Mac, I know these are of a G36, but does the RIS help?
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/posthkg36bt.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/posthkg36ct.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/posthkg36et.jpg)

M4 RIS
(http://www.quarterbore.com/images/kacm4ras.jpg)

I love that G36, one of my favorites

I have one that will work, it's just getting the camo to look right.

let me camo it, huh huh can I?

@Cobra look for an envelope

Better hurry with that envelope. My gun shop is getting bigger and may not fit on a CD  8)

I can send a couple  8)

I think tis one is ready to go...

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/silencedm4rev.jpg)

 ;D I like it! err.. what's not to like though?
 Cobra6 = Photoshop Genius

As long as that CQBR M4 is in the mod I'll be happy.  Well, that and the SPR.     ;D

Cobra, is that the Crane stock wiith the battery compartments?

Yes, it is the new Crane stock. By the way, Cobra, could you add KAC rail on the top of the weapon, under the cut iron sight ? Thanks in advance...

cobra send me the version with the attachments to the side if ya would. I may not model the anpeg, or whatever it is. I may also add a aimpoint to it  ;D

I made that for you didnt I?

the G36 you made was a Whisper_Custom  ;D, I was reffering specifically to the G36 in that Picture Ogre_H posted.

Could you post a pic of he rail you want?

Cobra -  any chance you can ad something like this
 (http://www.jtdistributing.com/pics/sl8ras.jpg)
to that SL-9??

That's the SL8
(http://www.hkpro.com/SL8-1.jpg)
The SL9 is its prototype brother firing a special subsonic round. It looks the same except its usually in black, where the SL8 is usually in white (although it comes in black too)

The new MG4 HK MG34
(http://www.hkpro.com/MG43_1.jpg)
(http://www.hkpro.com/mg43strip.jpg)
(http://www.hksystems.com.au/images/millaw/mguns/bigMg43.jpg)

Ok...how about this

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/silencedm4rev.jpg)

That is not what I meant, but I appreciate your unparalled effort. It would need a rail like on this one :

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/devgru/41265606haq_20021027_00122.sized.jpg (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/devgru/41265606haq_20021027_00122.sized.jpg)

Better?

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/silencedm4rev1.jpg)

Excellent ! Please, Cobra, contacts Coco to let him add this masterpiece to the modification !

MAC...here it is. Just make it like the photo above.

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/silencedm4final.jpg)

Thanks Ogre_H, I was refering to a weapon  the SL_9 that Cobra6 did some time ago.  ;D

nice work on the pieces there Cobra, you made Mac's day. thought I would at a twist?
edit: picture removed

Simply outstanding Cobra,!!!
The mounting I think thats being refered to is the KAC RAS II like this one!!
(http://quarterbore.com/images/kacrasiik.jpg)

I can change it to that one. I used that same rail for the SR-47

No need to on my behalf its just sublime as it is!!!!!
Is that the cut down carry handle rear sight?My only point on the cammo Cobra is that the edges are too sharp!!,most weapons are painted from spray cans and they're pretty well feathered!!!!

Actually, the rail is quite correct, Cobra : The KAC RAS II does not fit on the CQBR.

That's my Camo CK... but I will make some changes

Ok whisper!!
Silenced I don't see why not,all thats different is the length of the barrel is it not?

All around great work guys. Can't wait to see that in-game. Question, is there going to be a non-SD and SD version? I'd prefer the non personally.                   ::)

I added the Silencer as a change, Cobra6's did/does not include the SD

Heres the pic of the commando I shot today, that I refered to in another post

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/parksgun.jpg)"

Hey Mac, could you take some hi-res pics of that. I can turn that into one mean M4.

way ahead of ya cobra, hehe. I got them of both sides ahhh....I think 1200(something)x900(something), very nice pics  ;D. Didnt think of takin some while my handsome ass was shooting it  :D. Heres some ss of what I did. Cobra I was thinkin you could tac it out too

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/parksgun3.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/parksgun4.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/parksgun5.jpg)"

Sublime Mac!!!

that is the best gun i've seen for GR in a long time. i love it. please, please, please put it in the mod exactly like it is there. *down on knees begging!*

 :o  That looks awesome. Great job Mac. Bet your friend would be pleased with the results.  ;D I'm envious though too, I've never had the privelege of shooting a full-auto weapon before.

Oh and please, please, please, please, please, please, please make that CQBR M4 that Cobra did..... Please.  ;D

Yeah I know. I was surprised he had it. The last time we talked, he had a semi auto ar. I was showing him my ar and he stated he had his new one too. It was great fun, again, really hard to control, much harder than you would think. Without alot of practice, I wouldnt think of carrying it on full auto.

Yeah I believe you. It's hard enough keeping my DPMS AR on target when blazing through a 30rnder. Course mine doesn't have a muzzle brake either but still it takes a lot of skill and a lot of practice to shoot like that. My buddies got an AK and that's even worse. Bigger round though too. God, I need to go shooting again soon.    ;D

I didnt know you had a ar. Thats what I have too  ;D

Yeah, bought it a coupla months back. $800 bucks plus another 60 for two 30 rnd mags that are in piss poor shape, damn weapons ban.    >:(  Mines got the non-retracable M4 type stock. It's not too bad I guess. The barrel is super thin and the heat from the barrel radiates through the handguard after a dozen or so rounds. I wanted to buy a Carbon-15 but it was $1500 or so.

so Mac, is that m4 commando of yours going to be in the mod? i think it should go in just the way it is...unless you want to make another version with silencer...

Yeah, paid 700 for mine, came with one 20 rd mag. It was only shot three times according to the guy I bought it from, if it was shot more, it wasnt much more. I think the next item Im putting on mine will be the adjustable stock, his was really nice. I have the bull barrel, it sitll gets rather hot, very hot, but I dont feel any heat through the handguard. AFter about 40 or so rounds, you better not make the mistake and grab the barrel, hehe. I recommend one of those.
As far as mags go, my first one was defective. It was replaced, I can get several 30 rd mags, thinking of investing in some.

As far as the m4's go, putting them into the game, I dont know. I think the best plan at the moment is to allow coco to fix the bugs, release the beta, and then deceide if we need to add anything.
I say that becuase no one really realizes just how many m4's are in the game, approx. 10 different variants. For example, the first ss shows a cqb m4, it has the handguards, light, etc...I realize its not the cqbr or whatever it is, and I will make it, lets just see if we are going to add it.
Same thing for the commando, I love the gun, it has a special feel for me, especially since I have shot it  ;D. We shall see.

Mac...here is your friends rifle modified slightly for desert combat
BTW...tell him I am sorry for cutting his rifle into about 20 different pieces ;D

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/camom41.jpg)

Very nice

Heres one Ive been workin on for a while

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/zm.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/zm1.jpg)"

Happy belated 4th of July!

That's some awesome work guys!
If they're too late for the mod, will they be released as a patch?

Looks good Mac.       :)

after some positive feedback, thought I would share my latest attempt.

(http://members.cox.net/mikeadams2/SR-47-Sniper_woodland.jpg)

My favorite is the urban camo you did. That looked realy good.

(http://members.cox.net/mikeadams2/SR-47-Sniper_urban.jpg)

 ;D thanks Cobra

I liked the desert the best, its fantastic. Im gonna be gone all next, I will have my laptop and will check in to make sure everyone behaves  :D

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/m4sir.jpg)"
"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/m4sir1.jpg)"

(http://members.cox.net/mikeadams2/SR-47-Sniper_desert.jpg)

okay Mac..  ;D

Holy mother of God!!!!
You guys just keep on pumping out total quality!!These SR47' are superb Whisper,and that M4 with the SIR stock is again outstanding Mac!!!

That's great!"An SR-47 for all seasons"  ;D

Thanks Ogre, just to clarify, Cobra6's SR47, my Camo & my SD.. I will not take credit for the texture - "yet"  ;)

Dude it is great!
I hope you can release models with each version of camo.
I know its a pain, but its cool to have the weap match the environment.
Is this for the DTD mod or a seperate project?

Believe it or not, it's actually just for fun. I am working on a small CQB type weapon mod, but it has stalled at the moment. I have been told that some of the wepons in the new mod, have some of my camo, but these SR47's are by far my best work. (IMO)

I will continue to throw out some variations and attempt to perfect my craft. Thanks for the support.

Well when you get it running, please send 'em my way!

No Problem Ogre_h, if I get it finished I will make sure that you get it.  

(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)

It's more of me directing the important people who do all the work, and getting it packaged. I have made the textures & skins, Mac's doing the models and Marcinko is my package guy, I'll see if I can get it wrapped up here shortly.  8)

I agree with CK and ogre_h, those camo schemes look great Whisper. I think your best is still that SPR, I can't wait to get that.    ;D

Is that desert tigerstripe sniper skin going in your mod? I'd still love to have it.      :)

That desert tiger might just make it in, never really thought about it. I do still owe you that, don't I?

Thanks Whisper! ;D
Can you give us a run down on the weaps you're thinking of having?

Well I wouldn't say you'd "owe" it to me. But, like I said I'd still love to have it.  ;D

I do remember you asking for, and then me saying that I wopuld put it together, so in my book that is something owed.  ;)

As far as weapons go, they are semi-realistic (my creation) versions of the following:
1. G-36-TAC SD
2. SR-47 CQB SD
3. SR-47 SHORTY SNIPER SD
4. COBRA6'S M4SHORTY (modified and cut to pieces)  ;D
5. SA 1911 SURE FIRE SD
??? What am I forgetting Mac? I know there is something ???

I still need permission to release the .chr's/uni that I wish to modify, until I get that mumm's the word.  8)

I can do the .gun files for you if you want. Also you may want to look at making a few rets. 8)

"SA 1911 SURE FIRE SD" oh SWEET, that sounds really cool :o

damn!! whisper those camos are.... phantastic!!

You are hired.. I'll send you a 6-pack along with that envelope, what flavor?

Cobra? you up to this one, just saw it at militaryphotos.net
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Close_Protection&id=getdoc_api (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Close_Protection&id=getdoc_api)

Mp5K with retractable stock  ;D

Did I ever post shots of this guy here?
(http://world.guns.ru/machine/ultimax_2.jpg)

Its the Ultimax 100 From Singapore, rumored to be in limited use with a number of Spec Ops groups, including the US Navy Seals

Nice site for specs of the MKII version
http://www.dwsuk.co.uk/New_site/Other/umax.htm

More Specs
http://www.stengg.com/land/downloads/tech%20spec_Ultimax%20100.htm

The Ultimax is reputed to be one of the lightest and most controllable SAWs in service to date.

Got tons of Mp5's

Never seen an MP5K with retractable stock, only the folding kind  ;D

Uhhh, that is not an MP5. Like ogre stated it's arguably one of the worlds best LMG's.

Quoted the wrong person ;D
I ment to quote Whisper.

(bad Cobra, BAD!!!)

I knew you were talkin to me..

Beer Flavor?

Rgr, sorry.        :D

Beer Flavor = MMMM...GOOD  ;D

Michalob Amber Bach...mmmmmmmm gooooood ;)

(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif)
Amber Boch it is..

heh, nice sig Cobra.     ;D

Here's a shot of the Ops Inc Suppressor that is used on the SPR
(http://opsinc.us/img/product/silencer.223.02.jpg)

This is their CQB model Designed for 11.5 inch Colt Commando
(http://opsinc.us/img/product/15thcqbmbs.01.jpg)

They also make a "high endurance" modle for 5.56 SAWS like the M249

It also looks like their muzzle break is the one used on the SPR
(http://opsinc.us/img/product/brake.jpg)

That's good stuff ogre_h  ;D

You're welcome!
I figure the better source materials you guys have, the better models you can make!

When Q mentioned the company in the Gun Pic gallery, I decided I'd see if they had an online presence, and viola!

They have a video section with a couple of videos of the SPR
http://opsinc.us/video.php

The video has the SPR going full auto with the suppressor on. It sounded crappy on my office speakers, but maybe someone can use 'em for a sound file

Those post about the Expert Handgun had me thinkin about the beloved DTD past. I would kill to see an HK53 like this in GR.

(http://planetrainbowsix.com/dtd/webimghkitd/HK53NV.jpg)

or

(http://planetrainbowsix.com/dtd/webimghkitd/HK53KNV.jpg)

Yeah, I remember those.  ;D
The closest thing I've come across for GR was that Bundeswehr mods G3A4s taced out. A good mod for under 1.5mb. I think Llyod had 'em but his last mod was sub-par.
Everyone does the G3, MP5, PSG-1 and G36. They forget about the 21, 33, 51 and 53.

I did a 51 for the community mod, one of cobras favorite weps

Speaking of the community mod, it looks like Stalker is mothballing it. From his last post it seems that he wants the thread shutdown and he doesn't know when he'll be able to release.
Do you have any info?
Could you release the stuff you did for the mod?

wow, how did I know that was gonna happen.    >:(

I think he bit off a little more than he could chew. I thought it was just going to be a weapons mod solely for M/P play. Thats what I would have done with it. I would have taken all the weapons, made all 5.56 (9mm 7.62 etc.)have the same stats except for zoom levels, so there were no uber weapons and release it as a M/P mod.

Mac is going to be Pissed!!!  :o

I never really understood why stalker was doing it all by his lonesome. I thought there were a number of people who volunteered to help out. I mean it seemed like there were plenty of modders contributing stuff.
Its too bad really.

The problem is he just keeps asking for more and more content. There's just gotta be a point where you say "I need to get this mod out soon" and stop looking for stuff to put in. He's even asking for lots of maps, the hardest things to create.....     bah                            ::)

So instead of a great weapons mod, we wind up with a mediocre conversion mod that doesn't exist. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/wallbash.gif)

I asked stalker to stop taking stuff back in May,to keep the size down,I let them have a lot of chrs from my mods too!
He's also had some personal stuff to deal with,it's a pity,as I had one of the early beta's!
My own opinion was it centered too much on Sniper weapons!!my 2cents worth!!

More bad news, I just found ou that Projectile's site is down.
Back up your copies of Sniper Armory.
Real life was impacting him hard too.  >:(
The beta of Assault Armory wasn't that bad. Pity.


Came across these at an airsoft site
(http://www.airsoftextreme.com/images/games/qm4a.jpg)
(http://www.airsoftextreme.com/images/games/qm4b.jpg)

I made that weapon for gr a while back.

Stalker hasnt stopped, or I dont think he has. He asked me to make a pistol for it last night. Also I know cobra still has what we submitted for the mod. If nothing is done, we can release it. Somehow, somewhere.

Give me the guns I will release them in my project  ;D

See that's the thing. He keeps asking for more stuff instead of finishing what he's got. Combined with his personal probs it keeps getting pushed back.

I just may do that whisper. Let me get with cobra. It would add several to your already growing arsenal  ;D. Plus, Ive got a surprise for ya, Im gonna make ya a special sniper wep.

Woooooo!  ;D

Haven't posted here in a while because I haven't found any entertaining GR mods to play. Plus I've been playing VICE CITY on my alien ware for a while now and I'm like a crack fiend on that darn thing! I beat the game in three weekends!  Plus I have an internship with MORGAN STANLEY in Boston so there's been little time to play a good round of GR and VC.  :(

But like I always say, there's nothing like a good tactical game to balance things out. This mod you guys are working on looks like its going to be a doozy and a half! Can't wait to play it and write a review for it. MAC's weps are amazing! makes me want to do the safety dance or something! That's right... the safety dance.  :)

"We can shoot if we want to!"

I MEAN, DANCE IF WE WANT TO!!!!

Anyway keep up the good work, this mod looks ace. Good luck on that paintball  thing COCO.

FYI...I found a great website that has tons of pistols. Here is a sample

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/m1911.jpg)

eeewwww, I like that, old like me  ;D

Cool, a Mobster pistol.  :-[

Here ya go Whisper. Hand placement is not done. What ya think? I was wanting the desert camo scheme on the sr47sniper  ;D

"(http://www.starrlyn.com/gunpics/Untitled-whispersniper.jpg)"

Ambrose,
where ya been man. Great to see you. Thx for the kind words

what's the site you found Cobra???

Very nice Mac. That 1911 is cool too.

My God... I want that!  ;D

www.desertshooting.com

great site thanks Cobra! ;D

If we ever do a WW II mod this would be cool

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/bar.jpg)

Send it to me Mac, the original jpeg, and the .rsb.  ;D

Nice BAR Cobra

Whoa!
Dude, please send me the black version!

I have been on a roll here finding good weapon pics. Here is a S&W 10mm

(http://members.cox.net/promodteam/sw10mm.jpg)

Nice cobra, Ill see what I can do with it.

heh that S&W reminds me of Denzel Washington in Training Day.  

He shouldn't have gotten an oscar for that  though >:(

Here's a real cool shot of an M4/m203 mounting
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/ddkam203.jpg)

Knight's stand alone M203 shoulder stock, M4 upper and M203
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/ddkam203a.jpg)

Thatguy 96 found nice shots of an HK53A3
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/516prehk53a.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/516prehk53b.jpg)
(http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/516prehk53c.jpg)

Politics man, politics.    {Platoon}

Yeah Figures.

Hey Mac, what's that rifle you just made based on?

shhhhhhhh - airsoft - shhhhhhh  ;)

 ;D