*DAMN R6 Forum

Yah... I'm perma'd... I assume Bondo is as well... First he banned tech for 30 minutes for telling Evill he was a "true faggot if you ban Ben" Then I told him Tech called him a faggot again... He told me:


" Evill: You've shown that you have absolutely zero respect for something that is provided free."

Heres the log as far as I got:

" Evill: You've shown that you have absolutely zero respect for something that is provided free.
 Foxy.aHa!: Who's in trouble?
<< <azn>Musashi<AZN> closed Age of Empires II game 'blood' >>
*NADS Ben.wo: Uuuuh. I am hoping NinjaX
<< Rachis left GameRanger >>
*NADS Ben.wo: as he threatenned to hack my friends computer
 *DAMN Snake: OMG << +-KoS-+ Tech N9ne was disconnected (banned) >>
 *DAMN Snake: prema?!?!?
       Evill: No, Ben. You.
*NADS Ben.wo: but I sincerely doubt that
<-pOb-<Ingra: hacking, isnt that illegal<BR>   Foxy.aHa!: Evill: You've shown that you have absolutely zero respect for something that is provided free.   Evill, who are you talking about??
*NADS Ben.wo: No Snake, 30
*NADS Ben.wo: Get it over with then Evill
<< BananaFish started Aliens vs Predator game 'Alien Tag' >>
<< Ikeadan started (?) game 'WILD LAGS. some 1 w/fast connection oast' >>
 Evill: And to think I actually went to the effort of unbanning your accounts.
<< SLAPPY closed Risk II game 'War To End All Wars' >>
*NADS Ben.wo: As I did nothing wrong
<-pOb-<Ingra: well im off to go play avp<FONT COLOR="#800080">
*NADS Ben.wo: and still haven't
Evill: Not according to the logs.
<< ??g??SNiPE?idling and afk has joined the room >>
*DAMN Bondo.: this sounds exciting
<-pOb-<Ingra: Evill, who r u referring to neway?<BR>   Foxy.aHa!: hmm
*NADS Ben.wo: No, I did that because they told me they were forming a clan
   Evill: Yes, Bondo, I have logs of you being involved as well.
*NADS Ben.wo: Bondo is legit, leave him out of it
Ben EM IG:      Evill: Ben, shut the fuck up. I said he's in the logs as well.
*NADS Ben.wo: Evill, why do you not go to pressing matters, like the guy who's trying to permantly crash my friend. Is that not as important as a clan named Evil?
  Evill: I'll be addressing that as well.
   Foxy.aHa!: Yay!!!
   Foxy.aHa!: Take action
*NADS Ben.wo: Thank you. That's all I wanted to hear
*DAMN Bondo.: I protest this limitation of what clans we can be in. just because your name is the acronym...isn't my fault...so me and my clanmates feel there is nothing that deserves punishment
  Evill: Bondo, fuck off.
<< *DAMN Bondo.fwu was disconnected (banned) >>
 Foxy.aHa!: Evill, maybe just a bit harsh

Heres where I got banned Indefinately. The Logs not complete as its what i told over AIM to tech, so I skipped what some people said that were irrelevant. He also told me if he found out I IP'ed in he would talk to my ISP.

P.S. Tech's banned was raised to 24 hours..

Ben

OOOOH MAN! Bondo didnt get perma'd and I did... Someone show me the logic in this? Such bs, I didn't do anything cept give lip...

Ben

And the stick up Evill's ass has now been upgraded from branch to trunk.

BTW, I think Evill is still scared to ban me permanantly because I am...me...runner of all the RS activities.  I still think we need mass revolution...I'm talking the whole RS community on GR...Evill needs to learn that his GR didn't create the Mac gaming community, the people who play on GR do...and he should show us some respect for choosing his app to do it with.

omg Ben, I was there when it happend... Evills out of controll, I mean my god... hes still in the room... I wonder how long he will be here..

-semp

Bondo only got 30 minutes.

Hey my man! Join the club! - All of you who are still there, you should all protest the recent bannings, ( Yes, this includes myself ). Everyone should either wear one of the names of us ban people, or just an anti Evill name.

Some serious BS. 30 minutes for Bondo, Bondo holds all the keys, Evill's scared to ban him, cuz if he does, talk about a revolution. So many people would leave GR, but little old me, he's trying to set an example. Don't let him do it...

Ben

Evill: Yes, Semper, I'm still in the room.


?OoA? Semper Fi.SS: ???


Evill: "Evills out of controll, I mean my god... hes still in the room... I wonder how long he will be here.."


Thats a quote from my post... He reads our posts, woah!!

-semp

No, the reason that he doesn't ban Bondo is 1, that Bondo hasn't done anything yet against the rules, and 2, is what you've all said, everyone would get mad, right now though, I think that if near anyone gets ban, everyone's gonna freak.

We knew it semper. Just dont cuss him out or give him lip because he's such a dumbass for banning people for no reason... (Like me... whats the reason again Evill... Still waiting for it... Mb your drunk...)

Ben

omg you people are stupid, mabey if you dident impersonate him and call him names he would not bann you. i never had a problem with him and every time i have had a prob hes helped me.

Thats what ticks me off. I was one of the 13 Evill's... I'm the only one who gets banned. I never cussed him out, always used proper grammer and well organized arguements, granted, I was arguing against him... Tell me Snake, I'm dying to know, what did I do that was so evil? So set apart from everyone else? That's all I need to know to shut up...

Ben

Hey, I used to be by his side all the way, 'til you know what.  Don't worry Ben, you can still play RS, it's just a little harder... It's up to you guys who are still there, to start the protest. - Don't just make it a little joke like everything else, make it big, wear the names of the people who've been ban, things like that.

-Typhy

Ironic, finally my dude on the left side fits me... The icon picture for me here on the forums. Hehehehe. Anyway, I will not IP (thats just for evill to believe... as he checks here... such bs, I'll IP into any game I can) Only way Evill will know, however, is if someone tells on me. Does anyone here hate me THAT much?!

Ben

Ben, not only can Evill not do anything about you're IP joining, why should he care?

same here snake, Evil even sent me an email telling me that he
updated the GR indicators when he came out with the new GR.
Even if it only took 2 months to respond. ;)

2 monts?? Wow, faster than usual ;)

Ty, he told me he would contact my ISP if he found I ip'ed... To get me disced... Little does he realize the 40 bucks a month vs him saying "dont do it"... Hrm, who would win...

Also, Special thanks to the 4 who got banned in Typhy and My name... Bondo, Infection, Rapid, and Cookie, you peoples are my hero's!!!

Thanks,

Ben

Snake, you are too pussah to realize what harsh constraints Evill has on GR...This is like Britian an the colonies...So I say  *music starts*'

Vote Yes.....Vote Yes....Vote for independancy

Right out of 1776 the musical, damn fine thing that I just watched.  I'll spare quoting more.

Ben. Your whole arguement is invalid. You should not be worrying about the other people that impersonated Evill, you should have worried about yourself. If you had half a brain, you would learn that even though it can be very funny, impersonating an admin gets you banned permantley. Shit, look at Typhy for a pefect example. Is it fair that you were the only one banned ? NO. Would it be fair if you tried to get the rest of the idiots banned for the same reason as you ? Yes. But what is it gonna prove ? That just because you feel you have to take other peole with you ? Take your punishment like a man, and suffer the consieciences like any normal person would.

sorry kids, no need for all of us to go down with your
sinking ship. You all brought it upon yourselves.

Even if some of us did support you guys it would just mean that
a bunch of us would be banned. So...no thanks.
But it was a valient effort. ;)

looks like Ultimo beat me to the same point that
i was trying to make. ;D

Yes, wear those names as much as you can, also names of other people who he's ban that you want back.

-Typhy

Come on, no one is so daft to think we are actally Evill just because we have Evill (our clan name) somewhere in our name.  We don't even use his icon...why would we.  We don't try to impersonate him at all, we just happen to have the same five letters in our name.

Just thought that I'd say congrats on 2,000 Bondo! :)

Wow Ultimo... As... Inspiring... As that was, it's a load of bs. I mean, yah, I'd rather not everyone get banned, but he did not just ban me for that. It's bs if you think he banned me for impersonation. look at everyone else, NO ONE else got banned for 30 minutes. He banned me because I got mad at him for 30 minute banning Tech and Bondo. Yes, I AM thinking about everyone else here, that's the truth, is that a bad thing? Should I be selfish, keep quiet, and watch everyone else fall around me?! That's gay if you would Ult. If you saw Ejo, or Rebel, or HG, Geek, SBD, Nomad, Dest, Silvio, or Tech (wait you did see tech) get banned, you'd sit there and do nothing? Wow, at one point I wanted to join KoS, but you would not even protect your players... In that case I don't even want to hear it. People should stand up for their friends, should feel responsible for their clanmates. What the hell kind of world is this if we are all selfish like you say?

Ben

free typhy/evill (ben) is stupid if you dident act like monkeys in the first place you would not be banned. now try not to tourn this into spam

omg, the 2000 post forum whore!  LMAO! :D

You know what's funny, I tried to change my name back, but he still banned me!  so basically he banned me when I had a diff  name.  Bastard! ;D

This isn't spam Snake, this is important talk of revolution...
"I've never seen nor smelled nor touched nothing so awful that it couldn't be talked about...hell yes I'm for debating independancy"-1776

Yes Snake, this is one of the most inportant topics in a long time, our guys get back into action in 8 minutes, so you can expect things to get interesting on GameRanger in a few minutes.

good job on getting others banned Ben

Evill: It's not going to be permanent for Ben.

What you fail to mention Voods, is that comment was followed by "Maybe just 6 years".

Ben, first of all your missing the point. What I said was that you shouldn't point out to Evill the bad stuff other people did along with you to try and get them banned too. I never said don't stick up for people, because that is why kos is such a strong clan, we watch eachother's back. Also, I was not on Gameranger when all of this was happening, so I did not see Tech n9ne get banned. Please don't tell me how I would have "acted", because truthfully you don't know me.

And I really love how people give me the "Well I really wanted to join kos but now..." speech.  Thats a load of bullshit. The truth is your pissed at me, and can't think of any ways to come back. It's not like I am really missing out on alot . I wouldn't want you in my clan, if I did you would have already heard from me. So don't try and make me feel stupid off of something so stupid. But don't feel bad... you weren't the first person who has said that.

Actually Ult, If you checked your page, You'd see before I came totally to RS, with Geek and Ejo's help, I sent in a form to join KoS... I guess it never even got looked at it by your reaction...

Ben

Oh boy I really wanted to join KoS Ultimo but now I don't know, bashing on poor old banned Ben.  J/k.  But Ben I do agree with Ultimo.  Don't try to say more or us did it.  We have all admited to it and he gave us punishments, I don't wish to try to be brought into something.

Well Ben, now you can Understand why I was so PISSED at KoS for getting Typhy banned.  KoS Viper turns in chat logs to Evill with the purpose to get Typhy banned, and after they got Typhy banned, they all backed up Viper's actions saying that it was cool and nothing wrong with that.  That's why I still think of KoS as a bunch of cheap shits for that.  Of course, many say "Don't be mad at KoS for others wanted the same".  Well, others didn't go thru the motions of turning in old chat logs with intentions of getting someone banned.  Especially when the Ban was 5 Years!

2 Things,

1) they;'re banned for 30 minutes again
2) they did that BEFORE I even came up with the idea... They did it when i started the thread, granted, but not after I posted asking them to stand up for us.. They did it on their own, which is why I like them so much more then before... (even gen as hard as it is to believe cuz shes great and im her bitch)

Ben

Heh. Sorry, I figured not naming names was enough. Anyway, Yah, I won't say a word.

Ben

I think evill needs to light'n' the fuck up. Shit ass Gameranger crappola- Im not perma'd but 30 min. is long enough for me to poop in a bag and throw it at evill ::)

Well, my thoughts are that the more of you guys who get the 30s the better, it really annoys Evill, try and act like you don't care, that way he will get even more mad.

Well, I asked Evill to ban me or if I really needed to change my name to get it...alas I did, so as "Evill made me do it" I recieved a 1 day ban.

BTW, Ultimo, you just don't get it do you.  You may back your clan in a CB, but we've seen people we enjoy hanging out with get banned for way too long for way too little cause.  We stand up to Evill because he ruins his own application.  Instead of being a great place that it could be with Evill getting nothing but praise...he chooses to make it worse and draw in criticism.  It is his choice in the end...but some of us actually have the dignity to stand up and say that it is wrong...to hell if we get banned for saying it.  The colonists didn't say, these taxes are unfair, but hey, what can we do, they stood up for their rights and gained independance...well, why shouldn't we, if every R6/RS player left GR, it would suffer...I'm not saying that will happen as there are those like you who are to weak to stand with us...but those who like an open environment to have fun with Mac Gaming, they are encouraged to be vocal...no more bowing down to Evill just because he created the program...that doesn't mean we must accept him imposing unnecesary rules and banning people who do nothing to hurt the community.

OMG cry me a river bondo!

you act like IF you start a revolution, you are going to change history.  VIVA LA REVOLUTION!! - Bondo

And for the rest of you guys, you get all mad cuz you were banned for impersonating Evill and just using proper grammar under his name, though you failed to read that it says in the Terms and Conditions of Use, " You may not - impersonate the author or any administrators or any other user of GameRanger"

Well, I wasn't impersonating Evill...that would imply you are trying to pass yourself off as Evill.  None of use ever tried to pass ourselves off as Evill...his wording is shitty and he feels he can still ban us for it.

And who is he to tell me that Evill is not my MoH clan name...I came up with that clan name over a year ago in case I ever needed one...I used to have only EVIL but zak took it so I had to add an L.

Ya bondo, i was sooo trying to pass myself off as Evill... Oh and bondo, none of you guys impersonated Evill??



well it seems there were 13 of them in there, and Ben was one of them? So do you want to restate your last post?

Bah. Ok. I was Evil J of Evil A-M...

Ben

Oso, I was Evill B.  In what way is Evill B impersonation of someone named Evill?  I don't switch my name to Evill and copy his icon or change the Real Name blank to Scott Kevill (anymore at least)...I just put Evill B.  That isn't impersonation...the thing I mentioned before is, having a bunch of people add a letter isn't.

So if i went around GR as *DAMN Bondo A, you won't care?

Actually, several of us had already imitated bondo... We had 8 with his name I believe, right? Infection?! He did not seem to mind...

Ben

Lets not all get bitchy about this now and start stupid arguements. The fact is Evill is a faggot period...I have felt that my WHOLE gr career. No need to explain why but he is just a queer on a power trip. Now my biggest decision is if i should come on tomorrow and call him a fucking flamer again. Basically if i should get perma or not.

I do take offense to one thing Tech...I like your attitude but your ammuntion is just all wrong...all sorts of homosexual related.  The bi and homosexual community wishes you could not relate him with us...it reflects poorly on us and unfarily so.

Yes i have taken into consideration using the word pussy.

Haha, it seems as if you guys have found out that Evill can be a fag when he gets a stick lodged in his ass. (I have known this for awhile now) Oh well, most of you did it to yourselves, and got the punishment handed down by Evill.

Bondo: If you want to start your revolution, wait until Gamesmith is released and operational.

 holy shit. 50 posts in less than 12 hours
first of all, i would like to point out just a few things that i saw as i skimmed this thread.

first, yes evill does read these forums, and he even made a post once. so sometimes he sees you bitchi ng, but he still doesnt care.
evil runs gr like his own little daycare, and if us little babies dont follow the rules, it's time out or kicked out. and of course since were all babys,  all we do i cry and whine, and we can't have a valid opinion.

i'm curious what exactly ben did or said that was so wrong in evill's eyes. dont say nothing, because if evil baned people for doing nothing in particular, he would just ban people at random

another thing, why are you allsaining wait for gamesmith?  why not use the macclans client right now. shure it isnt the same, but it is something.

and finally,
i'm sick and tired of all of you bitching, and not doing jack shitt. i'm gonna do what none of you have tyhe balls to do.
 i'm throwing down the gauntlet at evill's feet.
i challenge scott kevill to come here, and actually have an intelligent debate about why rs users get banned alot more than other users. about what ever you guys want to debate about.
if he wants to talk one on one, that's fine. if he wants his own thread, that's fine.
all i want is for him to come her and answer our questions. evill hase been a one way conduit for far too long. it's time something came back his way
.he's posted here before, her reads these forums, so i know he knows the url. so not knowing where to show up is not a valid excuse

i guess i'll need a date as well.

anytime after this friday.(i think that's the 23rd) i will gladly show up and debate with him.


the ball's in your court evill, what's you're next move?


p.s. i want the rest of you to make shure that evil reads that post, i dont wan't him not showing and the excuse being he didnt know.

lol, Rapid chalanged Evill to a 1v1 in RS... I had to follow it up by chalanging him to a 1v1 in any game that could run on my computer.

Hey, I wondering if we have like 250 people get ban, we can file a complain to Mac soft, or Redstorm, whoever has the agreement with Scott over RS, and say that he's killing off the game by banning all the players...

Brain, in responce to your post, first, there is no way that Scott Kevill will ever have an intelegent debate on here, the reasons for this are 1, that he has other and in his thought better things to do, and 2, he doesn't know how to have an intelegent debate, all that he does is know that he can ban people, he's like the super power parent threatning to throw your computer off the roof if you don't get off it and go to bed (  Yes, my parents threatned this ).

Lol, my parents would chuck me off before my computer...my computer would be too useful to them.

Anyway, I never really thought to talk to MacSoft...don't know if it would help...my disgust of them is almost as great as my digust of Scott.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing Evill on the forums posting again rather than lurking and laughing at my calling him a pussy afraid of perma banning me and then following it up by not ;)...

i say we all throw a fat pity party and remember to be nice to ben and give him IP's.

No worries Ben, usually there are people on to give IPs, longest I had to wait was 4 hours, but normaly just about 10-20 minutes. Somtimes there are people just sittin' there waiting :) - Yes, I hate Macsoft too, but still not nearly as much as Microsoft... I still think that we would have a valid case if he started banning RS players for no good reasons.

here be happy  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/icon_bluh.gif) 24.45.6.226 go play

Ben, were u really perma'd?
ur never on aim also and when did this happen? if it was last night then damn i missed it  :(

Thanks Snake, I had some great games over there on Colin's host. - Thank you.

-Typhy

If evill has problem with people copying his name why doesn't he just tweek GR so if you try to change your name to Evill it just says "Sorry you cannot do that" or some shit like that so he does not have to go on a banning rampage once people have his name.  Why the fuck does evill care about the RS community anyways?  Let us fuck around in the Bar and Grill he can just go tote around in the construct with all those shits.  Evill is just sticking his nose in our community and making things his problem.  He should grow up and ignore all of us why does he care?

Well, I can understand why he'd get a little annoyed with the inpersonation, but really, if he wants there to be less problems, he should just let things be rather than banning them.

its funny how right after someone gets banned, they see evill as being 100% of the problem, i got that after my 1 week ban for idling. and your showing it now.
by puting making a front outa the "evill" as a clanname is like me saying...
idlerooms 1-10 were games for chat (even though they were locked games and had the soul purpose of BS humour).
Just face the facts, you broke the tos, pretty clearly, therefore you got what you deserved.
but shit, its acually kinda funny watching the bs go down

You're saying that I deserve 5 years?

Actually Jeb, I have read the ToS...nowhere does it say you can't use Evill as a clan name...it say you cannot impersonate him...as I've clearly stated, impersonation is trying to appear as Evill, not just having his name in your name.  His interpretation of his own ToS are shitty.

And for the record, the first time I wore the *EVIL clan tag was over a year ago...it isn't something new I just created.

Two things here Cow...

1) Evill doesn't have teh brainpower to use that logic.

2) Evill cares about the RS community because RS MADE Gameranger what it is today...most of the users played Rogue Spear more than any other game at any given time and thus increased his user base. WIthout the large number of RS players, Evill would have no meaningful number of users to show off to companies that allow him to use their product (games) on Gameranger.

P.S.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/adminowns.gif)

you banned clowns are such fools, the thousands of other people using GR dont get banned, you all act as if you are not at fault.. its getting old. go make your own gaming service if you dont like how GR is run..

and dont give me the but.. but.. but we weren't breaking any rules, cause you really have to go out of your way to break some of em in the tos. use GR for what its meant for and if  you aren't content with that i think you really should find something better to do

P.S.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/banana.gif)

Actually I would have to disgree wih you that RS made up Gameranger to what it is today. I think the R6 community made Gameranger as popular as it did, and then most R6 players changed to RS, because it was the newest tom clancey game. If people didn't play R6 before RS, there wouldn't have been as many poeple that even knew about RS and were intersted in RS.

wow, each time i post more and more smileys show up. this is getting creepy.

anyway, the topic at hand.
yes, evill has shown himself to be quite intolerant, but i still think that even he is capable of an intellighent thought or two.

if you really want to make evil think, we need to all drop game ranger. all of us, not just some or most. we would more than likely need to pull in the AoE crowd as well.

if i remember the stat's correctly, ther are about 9000 rs games in a week, and 7000 for AoE. rs accounts for more games than the 4 5 and 6 spots combined for christ sakes.
how do you think evill would react if the majority of his user base just up and left?

if you want a substute till gamesmith arives, yse the macclans client. it's not as polished, and you  end up having to ip join, but it's not game ranger and that's one less game for scott to put in his shiny little presentation to the big corperations

if you really want to make evil hurt, hit him where it will hurt most; his pocket book. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/icon_lol.gif)
there will be a revolution, and it is comming (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/soon.gif)(i really had to think to use that smiley)
what side are you on?

Well I will tell you one thing for sure, I ain't going nowhere. There will never be a time where ALL RS players leave GR. If you guys left, I don't think many people would follow you unless the new provider for games was infact better then Gameranger. Just get out of the way of Evill and enjoy his free service

Ultimo, it's not easy to leave Scott alone when he acts like this, I would've let him be 'til he ban me.

hmmm now i'm pretty sure there was a reason he banned you.. but i cant quite think of it right now... oh well i'll think of it, until then typhy, keep thinking of how it wasn't your fault you were banned.

P.S.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/ukliam2.gif)

I am not complaining that I was ban, I am complaining that it's to long, 5 years + for that is way to much. 3 months tops would be better.

haha finally people that have a brain come in here (matt/ultimo).

I like how they go, "well we didnt do anything to upset Evill", when earlier, some of you admitted to trying to get an expression from Evill. Well you guys did, and you cry about it.

 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif) just shut up and get some drinks

I went two years with not so much as a disconnected for join/leaving...but it became too much to just take idly watching different active members in the community (Ben, Zak, Typhy) get permabans when at most they deserved a month or two and probably only a week or something like Jeb got.  This sickened me.  I tried to talk peaceably with Scott to tell him that he was being too strict and that it is hurting the community, but nothing changed.  None of the three did anything that caused harm to the community, they just were not pleasant to Evill and they were removed...that is bullshit.  So I've decided to be more proactive.  I'm sorry that you two (Ult and Matt) among others will just say too bad and move on, but at least some people have the dignity to not take everything lying down.

Just thought that I'd say that I agree %100 with everything that Bondo said in that post.

No bondo, we are just not ... what you call it... OH YA! drama queens.

Drama queen represents someone who causes drama when it's not nesscessary at all. The fact is that Bondo is correct in saying that he has now ban Ben, Zak, and myself for things that never should warrent a perma ban.

well you shouldnt try to piss off someone or break simple rules of a guy that gave you a FREE gaming network.

and on a side note, some people say that Evill doesn't listen to us. Well lastnight, Evill seemed to listen to what i had to say about pinging on Os9, he actually seemed to care. So Evill installed the GR2 pinging, so you guys can get pings in Os9, when you couldnt before. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/shocked2.gif)

ultimo, oso and matt its a whole lot easier to say "oh ya just forget about it" when ur not in evills crosshairs.  See it from there view they got banned for doing petty shit.  I would be bitching all the time about it because it IS shit.  If evill "cares" so much about the RS community then he should stay out of it he is losing respect.  Don't fix it if it aint broken, stay away evill!

Heh I asked him also, but apparently you have to change your name.  I said do I really have to?  Apparently it's a yes. ;)

I do understand and respect that fact that Scott's set up a free place for us to play RS. That give him the right to ban people for the littlest things? Yes. I just don't think that it's the right thing to do, Scott is a very good person when it comes to computers, True. When it comes to commen sence and being nice to people, he's an asshole.

Cow, and how do you get into Evill's crosshairs? Well one, you ask for it. Evill does not just out of no where going, "see that kid, i think he is gay, BAN!" You have to have done something stupid or something that breaks Evill's rules for him to get on you.

Speaking of bannings for being gay...He has already admitted to discriminating against me for my orientation ;).

Anyway, I got in Evill's crosshairs for on these forums, saying that he was being an ass by punishing people way too much for too little...that is all I had to do to have him watching me.

Yeah, I meant to say R6/RS in my post above. But you must admit, through the history of GR, more players have played RS than R6 overall. My account was 39147 just before RS Demo was released...now the accounts have soared into the 90000
s+.

Anyway, the people who provoked Evill must of upset him in some way, shape, or form, and I guess he didn't want to take it anymore. If you are so inclined to start a rebellion of any sort, you would have to wait until another viable product becomes available.

I agree with everything Bondo said and it's the reason I always approach Evill myself and ask him to be less strict to people that paid $49.99US specifically to play RS on GR.  Especially when he is banning someone for trying to do his job of controlling the thick headed lip talkers he hates himself!  Typhy did wrong in Evill's eyes, but Typhy did it out of frustration.  When you watch people get banned for impersonating Evill, and then you watch someone impersonate another person on a list with nothing happening, makes you feel as if you need to step in and pick up on Evill's slack and warrn others not to impersonate or get Perma Banned from GR.  That's all Typhy did, yet that's such a big deal in Evill's eye.  That is why there is so much tension on Evill's idea of what deserves a "Perma Ban".  It's not as if Typhy tried to hack his servers and shut them down and prevent any service from happening!  That sounds like something for a Perma Ban!  Not picking up on his slack by waaring others to act properly or be severely punished!  

When I gotten the impersonation problem and people start coming up to me asking why I was acting like an asshole and all this, and then I surf thru some rooms and find my impersonator and confront him and he laughs and threatens with doing more damage, I go to Evill and ask him for help on someone that's ruining my reputations by acting like a kook under my account.  When I don't get help, it makes me wish I was an Administrator myself and being able to give these people 30 minute bans for impersonation.  But of course, I can't do it and when I warn others of the consequences, yet none of it ever happens, of course they feed off it more and keep doing it.  The way one figures is to tell the impersonators that this is a violation and can cause you to be banned(which happens to be true), and that you are an Admin so take this warning serious.  For some reason this is just sooooooo disrespectful to Evill that he feels he needs to hand out a 5 Year Ban!  now wtf kind of logic is that!  Now please Evill, I know you're reading this, cut Typhy some slack here for this "offense" of his.  He is a well respected player and that is all that is being asked of you.  Thank you for your time of reading this and try not being so harsh on people that are supporting your service, and advertising it more than anybody out there.  Remember that is was me that added a GameRanger banner to my college web design class being viewed by thousands of viewers in Southern California.  I personally have helped to advertise your service so it would become more popular out of good faith on what you provided.  Now you going to ban me for helping you out as well? ???  Cut the kid a break!

oh boy you guys got gyped on the game, i paied 15 bucks for my copy of RS

Well, Oso, some of us actually like to keep the publishers and porters in business by buying the games when they profit.

Oh i am sorry bondo, i bought my copy like a year after it came out at MWSF, before then i didnt even know of RS. So dont act like i waited untill the price dropped, to buy RS.

Excuse me Oso, but weren't you the one saying Rapid got ripped off?  Just because you bought it a year after release at MacWorld doesn't mean the rest of us did...paying $50 isn't being ripped off on the release date, that is the going rate.

yes you got ripppedddddd offffff!!!!!! HAHA

You really don't base your posts around logic do you Oso? Rapid's correct, in the agreement with Macsoft regarding gameranger, it most likely says that he has the ability to ban people etc... However, if he is banning people for no good reason, then we do have a legitimate complaint. The fact is that both Ben and my bans are way to long.

-Typhy

Did i comment on Rapid's post, other than the payment of the game?! no.

Did I say you did?

well, when i see another statement in the same paragraph as your little question toward me, i will automaticly assume you are talking to me.

Well Oso, there is a little thing called a "Period" that the more intelegent ones of us tend to use within our posts. - When someone just makes a quick comment at the start of their post, there is no need for a whole new paragraph for it, if you see a period, and then a comment that relates to someone else, you can asume that I am no longer talking to you, This will be all that I say in this post considering that I know that it would be a masterful achievment if I can get Oso to obsorbe this through his thick skull and into that small thing inside, any post longer than this would just be to much to ask of him.

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My responce Brain... Heres the log
"" Evill: You've shown that you have absolutely zero respect for something that is provided free.
Foxy.aHa!: Who's in trouble?
<< <azn>Musashi<AZN> closed Age of Empires II game 'blood' >>
*NADS Ben.wo: Uuuuh. I am hoping NinjaX
<< Rachis left GameRanger >>
*NADS Ben.wo: as he threatenned to hack my friends computer
*DAMN Snake: OMG << +-KoS-+ Tech N9ne was disconnected (banned) >>
*DAMN Snake: prema?!?!?
? ? ? Evill: No, Ben. You.
*NADS Ben.wo: but I sincerely doubt that
<-pOb-<Ingra: hacking, isnt that illegal<BR>? Foxy.aHa!: Evill: You've shown that you have absolutely zero respect for something that is provided free.? Evill, who are you talking about??
*NADS Ben.wo: No Snake, 30
*NADS Ben.wo: Get it over with then Evill
<< BananaFish started Aliens vs Predator game 'Alien Tag' >>
<< Ikeadan started (?) game 'WILD LAGS. some 1 w/fast connection oast' >>
Evill: And to think I actually went to the effort of unbanning your accounts.
<< SLAPPY closed Risk II game 'War To End All Wars' >>
*NADS Ben.wo: As I did nothing wrong
<-pOb-<Ingra: well im off to go play avp<FONT COLOR="#800080">
*NADS Ben.wo: and still haven't
Evill: Not according to the logs.
<< ??g??SNiPE?idling and afk has joined the room >>
*DAMN Bondo.: this sounds exciting
<-pOb-<Ingra: Evill, who r u referring to neway?<BR>? Foxy.aHa!: hmm
*NADS Ben.wo: No, I did that because they told me they were forming a clan
? Evill: Yes, Bondo, I have logs of you being involved as well.
*NADS Ben.wo: Bondo is legit, leave him out of it
Ben EM IG:???? Evill: Ben, shut the fuck up. I said he's in the logs as well.
*NADS Ben.wo: Evill, why do you not go to pressing matters, like the guy who's trying to permantly crash my friend. Is that not as important as a clan named Evil?
? Evill: I'll be addressing that as well.
? Foxy.aHa!: Yay!!!
? Foxy.aHa!: Take action
*NADS Ben.wo: Thank you. That's all I wanted to hear
*DAMN Bondo.: I protest this limitation of what clans we can be in. just because your name is the acronym...isn't my fault...so me and my clanmates feel there is nothing that deserves punishment
? Evill: Bondo, fuck off.
<< *DAMN Bondo.fwu was disconnected (banned) >>
Foxy.aHa!: Evill, maybe just a bit harsh"

That's what I did... I changed my name too Evill J when the 13 of us were making the clan Evil... Then, heres the chat log of what I did. People keep saying I got what I did because I'm impersonating Evill, then when I say I'm the only who got the ban they say I am asking for other people to get banned.. This isn't the case, when I say other people did not get banned I am referring to the point that I must not have been banned for being Evil J (thus your impersonation arguements are invalid), but for something more recent then that. The answer must be in the log... This is the reason Evill banned me. This log right above... Read it. Maybe someone here will understand why I am banned...

Ben

I know why he ban you, he did it to show that he's not afraid to hand down perma bans for things like that, he picked you because he knows that you're someone who everyone likes, so it would anger them all, but not someone like Bondo with a ton of respect who if he ban would starts tons of crap. Thats why he picked you, it's not anything that you did really, it's just that you were the one in the crowd that he decided to use as an example, just like when terrorists take somthing over, they'll often kill one hostage to show that they mean bisnuess. ( Spelled wrong, I forgot how to spell it right :)

Hey dude, theres no one that everyone likes, however, I could pretty safely say that most people like Ben.

cute insults typhy

One disturbing thing is the distortion of reality that you banned guys seem to live in.

Bondo, read that chat log.  Evill referred to the logs.  Seems to me that I was in the B&G a few days ago and saw you, Bondo, switch your name and icon to Evill.  And then encourage 7 or 8 others to do the same (icon and all).  

Do you think that because he wasn't in the room at the time he couldn't know about it?

Also, most of the guys that got the longer, permabans, haven't you all had bans before?  Ever hear of escilation of punishment?  Maybe the more common term of "3rd time loser" rings a bell.  In other words, if he's banning the same people all the time, yes, it is right to make the punishments harsher each time (even if they are different issues).  

And Typhy, yes, as the guy that makes GR, he does have the right to determine how long you are banned for and what is fair.  You don't pay for it, and the banning of even 10 people (permabanning) wouldn't make a bit of difference to a game publisher after the thousands upon thousands of copies sold.

The reason you guys got banned is that you've made targets of yourselves.  You have pushed Evill and talked about him when he's not there.  Did you think that didn't count?  Did you think that the US Constitutioin applies to GameRanger (something private and from a different country)?  Bondo, don't try to be a lawyer with Evill.  Just because it's not spelled out in his TOS, doesn't mean he can't, or shouldn't ban you for something.  

For those that think they can give or get IP's without getting in trouble, think again.  ICMP logger is against the TOS, and probably of your ISP as well (you aren't supposed to use tools like that without permission).  So, if you don't think you can get dropped by your ISP, you are wrong.  I've seen, and had people's ISP drop them in the past (the ISP didn't even ask to see the logs, so your $40 a month doesn't mean that much to them).

It's his place, if people can't respect that, they probably deserve what they get.  I'm not saying anything personal about you guys, but many of you seem to think GR is a public service or something.  That you have rights there you don't have.  

First off, I served my time for the changing of my name and icon, I was banned for an hour...that was a seperate incident...what I am protesting is not that but the more recent one when he is upset over a clan name.  Also, I never claimed to have constitutional rights to be on GR.  I understand that we don't have any "rights", but I don't think that Evill should act like an asshole just because he can.  That is what is at issue here.

Oh and Typhy, I know I wub Ben ;)

You gave him a reason to "act like an asshole"
you get what you deserved if your banned, just like voodoo's signature...
"don't be a jive turkey so close to thanksgiving"

Buccaneer, no I wasn't ban befor for this, perhaps if you would read some of my other posts regarding this subject you would see that I was warned before, and it had stoped, the Viper sent him chat logs that were old showing me saying some crap, and I guess that Evill thought that they were new, and ban me. I agree that he has the right to do that, but I'm pretty sure that if you run a hotel, you have the right to go into their room and tell them to get the fuck out of your hotel, as long as you give them their money back. Don't quote me on that 'cause I'm not sure, but I think that you can. Thats pretty much the same as Scott bannign people for no good reason, the real diffrence there is that you pay for a hotel, but not from GameRanger. You're saying that ICMP Logger is against the rules under the agreement with your ISP... Uh, no. People write simple programs that base off of the ping all of the time. The point is, that in Juneau Alaska, no one gives a shit, and in other places, people may care, but if they were to get everyone who did it, they'd have to get like 10,000 people.

-Typhy

I don't think Evill is "acting like an asshole just because he can".  I think he's just fed up with people that do nothing but bad mouth his application and then act like a bunch of elementary school children that think they are getting away with petty little stunts (like the changing of the names).  

If he's sick of it, why shouldn't he just ban the people that piss him off?  

Let's turn it around.  If you were having a nice byob party at your parents house while they are out of town (trying to give an example people here can relate to), and some guys were goofing you, and disrespecting you, and complaining that you didn't have enough ice and shit, are you an asshole to kick them out?  Are you an asshole to ask them not to come back, after they keep pulling little crap (it doesn't matter if it's the same thing or not, everyone knows what's going on)??

No, you wouldn't be an asshole.  It was your party.  

GameRanger is Evill's party that he is kind enough to let many of us in (and sell space on the walls to the beer companies, to keep an analogy alive).  If he doesn't like the way you act, and you continue to act that way, yes, why shouldn't he boot you?

I don't think Evill is perfect.  I think there are things he could do better.  But when you guys start acting like a bunch of 3rd graders, I can't blame him for getting fed up either.

Bucc, I tried to reason with Evill, I told him that Typhy had not broken his warning about acting like an Admin...he said he knew that but banned anyways...where is the justice in this...I recall the term Double Jeopardy applying to that...sure, Evill doesn't have to follow that rule but it proves that the ruling was bullshit.  Therefore Typhy's ban is not right.  Ben did even less to deserve a ban...he changed his name and got the rightful 30 min ban, but beyond that he did nothing but got a perma (or indefinate) ban anyway.

I've made this simple request to Evill, he lets Ben back, he lets Typhy back or at least sets a definate punishment of a month or two.  If he does that we shut up.  Another consideration is that he shouldn't ban for more than a week unless their is actual harm attempted to be done against the community.  Neither Typhy or Ben did this.  I made this simple request and all he says is, "Evill: There's no deal making.  All you're doing is convincing me to keep them banned longer."

I can't reason with the fool, I try to be peaceful and suggest a solution to both our problems and he won't have it...he thinks just because he can ban that he can solve his own, but he is wrong.  If he tries to handle this on his own and won't comprimise, he'll just create more problems.

As for your party analogy, the ONLY thing I've ever complained about on GR is Evill's banning.  Nothing else...all my things that you claim the host would throw me out for happened while arguing with the host to let my friends back into the party.

A better analogy for the party thing is that the host throws out members for having fun, by themselves, causing no problems to the host but just because he doesn't want to see them having fun.

Bondo, Double Jeopardy is an American concept.  It doesn't apply in many other places.  Just like "innocent until proven guilty" is the exception, not the rule.  In many of thoes countries you think are better then the USofA I believe.


Maybe I found some of your problems.  First, telling him to do it or you wont shut up isn't a request.  It's a demand.  He probably doesn't respond well to them.  Second, your tone when you talk about him, there and here (all your comments, even private messages are there for him to read).  Why should he be nice or let most of these guys off with attitudes like that?  

To go back to the party analogy, if the host is in the next room, and hears you guys through the vent making fun of the house, and making fun of him, why shouldn't he kick you out?  And if their friend keeps bugging him and being an ass to get his buddy's back in, he'd get the boot from most parties I've been to.

Typhy, using a program like ICMP logger is against most ISP's TOS.  Read the fine print sometime.  They often say something like "using tools to explore, break into, read or monitor other computers or networks, without their express permission..." they go on and on.  Bottom line.  Using a tool to read IP's like ICMP logger on GameRanger is against the GR TOS, and therefore, if he reports you, against your IPS's TOS.  Don't believe me?  Grifter caught a guy port scanning (not even throwing commands at him yet, just ping and port scans) his servers.  Tracked the guy back to UNLV's system.  Called the LAN Admin there, and the guy lost his internet priv's from his dorm.  Period.  No excuses, no conversations.  They e-mailed Grifter back two days later to let him know that it was a "permaban" as it were.  Better look it up.  (Just like hosting a web site or running a Hotline / Carracho / KDX server is almost always against the rules.  They don't look for you until they have a reason.  But then they just shut you down).

Last, my statements are in general about the guys that get banned.  Not every comment is applicable to every person.  Those posts (unless noted) aren't directed at a single person, but at the group as a whole.

If you open an unlocked game on GR you are giving people permission to IP join you...because that is what GR does...so they are giving permission for someone to find their IP and join...they would have no claim...as for it being against GR's ToS, it wouldn't be a problem if he didn't ban people and force them to IP join games.

i talk to evill over the icmp blocking, i told him that it can't be stoped, since a ping is a direct query sent from computer A to computer B...

but if he wanted to block it he would probly add a piece to the pinging system, to ping a diff ip after it pings the host, leaving the logger with a false ip addy.

the reasoning for blocking Ip joining is because host limits and locked games are there for a reason, however it does kinda leave the bannees in between a rock and a hard place

First off, the agreement with my cable company ( GCI Cable Juneau ) says nothing at all about IP loggers etc.  Second, I am pretty sure that under the laws of Western Australia, there are laws preventing Double Jeproday. Jeb, the simple fact is that while Evill may controle GameRanger, he doesn't controle Rainbow Six or Rogue Spear, and he doesn't controle wether I join games or not.

-Typhy

Bondo, if it's against the TOS, it's against the TOS.  Blaming Evill for people breaking the TOS to get around his bans is like blaming the government for my speeding because they have too slow of limits.  It just doesn't hold water.  

Farmer and Bondo, the whole point of him banning is not to let you find a way around it, but to either promote his idea of proper behavior, or keep you off his app.  I just wonder why the banned people don't just move to MAG or another option instead of trying to work around the ban??  I mean, between MAG, IMG Chat and MacClans Chat, if it's such a pain, why bother getting back?  After all, if you are trying to teach Evill a lession (as was stated earlier in this thread), make a mass move to somewhere else.  I'm sure his advertisement dollars are based partly upon volume of people on his servers (that and click throughs).  So, hit him where it counts, if that's your goal (this is to all those that were talking about doing something).  Otherwise, you are saying that GameRanger isn't a bad place, but you guys are just spoiled and want your way about everything.  I mean, if Evill is so bad (in some of your opinions) then why not just go to one of the others?  So it's not as slick, or is it that Evill isn't really that bad?

Bucc, we are hoping it won't have to come to that extreme a protest to force his hand into giving some consessions.  Like MLB though, without the players there is not community.

As for your TOS bullshit...think of it this way...murder is illegal, so say we throw two people in jail and don't feed them.  One will have to kill the other to survive thus breaking the law.  He was forced to do so by whatever law he might have broken...it is either break the law or die (stop playing)...and I'm sure MacSoft/Redstorm/UbiSoft/Aspyr would like to know that Evill is making less people play that series of games on the Mac with his treatment.

Maybe that is what we should do, instead of talking to MacSoft over RS as they've already made their money...we talk to Aspyr and tell them that they should consider that Scott is making it so less people would buy their game and give them money.

I just think the bans are so unfair.  The Typhy ban was fair, if he hadn't already been banned for it!  It was an old chat log that he had already gotten in trouble for.  To bring it back up and get Typhy banned a second time is like Double Jepardy.

Bondo, in the long run all your going to do is hurt the mac communty more, including Evill. Grow up and shut up.

well i read everything, and as matter of fact, i impersonated first Evill, (got banned for 30 minutes), then His Momma (no ban) then even his CRACK WHORE (NO BAN!!!) so if you guys wanna crack on him, just crack on his momma like we do here in the US!!!  ;) ;)

I totaly agree with Ultimo - Bondo stop with it - without GameRanger I wouldn't waste my time with R6 or RS anymore I would probaly sitting in front of my TV  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/beer.gif) but well you are going to far Bondo if I'm honest you would deserve a permaban for at least 3 months. Forget your stupid revolution that makes nothing better or do you really think you can go to Aspyr complain that Evill banned 2 - 4 guys out of thousands uhu that's ridiculous.

Typhy and Ben I can understand that you want to come back to GameRanger but that's the wrong way.

End Mauti

Well Typhy and Bondo, as for the TOS "bullshit", sorry if you don't like how life is.  I'm just stating a fact.  If you two want to hide from the way things are, go right ahead, but don't bitch about it later if it bites you in the ass.

Typhy, you can try and use the fact that it didn't list the exact tool you use as an excuse if it is ever an issue, but it wont work.  It's like with GR, it's not the letter of the law you are dealing with here.  

Bondo, you analogy is flawed.  In your example, the prison broke the law by not feeding the prisoners.  In this case, he has just banished you, or deported you.  You are still free to go other places and play the damn game.

Also, as for you telling Ubi, Apsyr or whoever, not only is it stupid, but it's weak.  Because of all this talk about IP's, it hasn't actually stoped anyone from playing the games.  Face it, it sounds much more like you are just bored and looking for some battle to fight then have an actual problem.

like macsoft would give a shit about your complaints...
if they did care they woulda carbonized the most popular online videogame a long time ago,
thats what i'm glad they aren't making Ghost recon.

quote from the TOS:
"Scott Kevill reserves the right to terminate or suspend your use of
GameRanger at any time, for any conduct that Scott Kevill, in his sole discretion, believes violates these Terms and Conditions of Use or that is otherwise harmful to other GameRanger users. These Terms and Conditions of Use are subject to change at any time without notice. Scott Kevill reserves the right to withdraw any functionality from GameRanger at any time without notice."

legaly this means that you don't have a fighting chance, i asked to my dad, who heads a law firm.
and yes bondo, your gonna cause more trouble to the RS community, rather than save a few users.

LOL. Bondo, I actually agree with Ultimo, Buccaneer, (aka Evill) and Mauti... Forget about it. What sence is it to get banned from a gaming system because other people got banned? It's irrational and illogical... I agree with Mauti, you will get yourself banned for an extreme amount of time. Frankly Bondo, we aren't worth it.

Typhy, I agree you're punishments too big, etc... All I can say to you is WHEEEEEEEE! (No one can do anything for you or me typhy. There is no possibility of unbanning for us, besides maybe to kiss ass, which I refuse to do.)

Buccanneer, Jeb, Ultimo, Mauti, Your logic and proper grammer has me convinced, some people remain hard and unmoved. Hell, if you can convince me though, the one who was perma banned, you should be able to convince all of us. Anyway, the main thing I continue to wonder is why I have been perma banned.

Bucc, you say I continually talk about Evill behind his back? Heh, when did my life center around Evill, most of the time I don't think about him. The only time I even talked or thought about Evill is when they said "Hey, were making an MoH clan named 'Evill", when someone brought him up, or when he was in the B&G, banning people for reasons beyond my comprehension. Granted, it is his program, but the senceless act of banning against me has me stumped. Yes, this was my second ban, the first was being because someone who was banned logged onto gameranger under my account, automatically banning my computer. Not many people know that though, so I will call you Evill, as he is one of the few that do.

In closing, unless gameranger does come back, with my ban being erased, I might as well sign off this GameRanger community. It's been an honor and a pleasure playing with all of you... Except for my *NADS clan. It was so much more. Please tell people in the Rainbow 6 community I am banned. Otherwise,  they might just think me dead, and enjoy the thought.

Thank you again,
       *NADS Ben

Ironic, isn't it? After I posted this, people put on "Free Ben" tags.. Evill's responce..  "Ben's ban will be extended." This is what I am talking about. Not only do I have no clue what I did in the first place, NOW my ban got extended after I told people to stop... Heh, now do I get punished for other peoples deeds or what? Please stop supporting the free Ben movement. Who knows, maybe not supporting it will allow me to get onto gameranger without 8 years instead of 12... Anyway, I should really stop posting here as I said I am retiring from gameranger until I am back up and running.  

*NADS Ben

Jeb, I never claimed to have a chance legally.  This was all about trying to peacefully get Scott to start respecting that the players make GR what it is, not GR and that he should show that respect by not unfairly banning or giving unfairly long punishments.  It sickens me that many of you don't think it merits any protest.  I also think it is a further sign of Evill's wrongful leadership of GR that he'd claim to be banning Ben longer because people who like Ben are asking the Ben not be banned.

But due to Ben's request and no one else I will be stopping with that...I'll continue to try to convince Evill to be a better leader of GR so that he can have better member of GR.

Ultimo, Ben has a right to protest... He took the blame for 13 other people (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/shocked2.gif) and got banned perma!!! If Evill bans any faster there wont be single person on GR.  Ben i will protest with you  :) all the way!!!


*NADS FREE BEN (De?ert ?torm)

Well, this takes the fucking cake...I tried to get Evill to PM me so I could privately send him the following message:
Ok, Evill, I'm going to stop with this and tell others to stop, but I hope you'll tread Ben and Typhy fairly and be more fair in the future...but I won't do more...also, please don't punish them more for my actions, they didn't ask for it


After my efforts were in vain for 10 minutes I finally posted them in the main chat window and had Jeb quote them (as Evill had me on ignore but that wasn't why he wasn't PMing me as people quoted that as well).  After reading it all he had to say was that he saw on the forums that Ben and Typhy did ask for what I was doing which is completely bullshit) and he didn't say anything else.  I try to be nice to this prick but he can't help but be what he is.  I will stop, but Evill has permanantly cemented his place as one of the biggest assholes of all time.  His actions tonight were beyond imagination...I'd like to hear if any of you support this act of his as rightful.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to pick on you Bondo, but I am trying to be impartial and point this out so you'll see it.  You say that Evill's comment about Ben and Typhy asking people to do that was "complete bullshit".  So here you go.

Page one of this thread.

Typhy - All of you who are still there, you should all protest the recent bannings, ( Yes, this includes myself ). Everyone should either wear one of the names of us ban people, or just an anti Evill name.

Typhy - It's up to you guys who are still there, to start the protest. - Don't just make it a little joke like everything else, make it big, wear the names of the people who've been ban, things like that.

Ben -  I will not IP (thats just for evill to believe... as he checks here... such bs, I'll IP into any game I can)

Ben - Also, Special thanks to the 4 who got banned in Typhy and My name... Bondo, Infection, Rapid, and Cookie, you peoples are my hero's!!!

Page 2 of this thread.

Typhy - Yes, wear those names as much as you can, also names of other people who he's ban that you want back.

Typhy - Well, my thoughts are that the more of you guys who get the 30s the better, it really annoys Evill, try and act like you don't care, that way he will get even more mad.

Ok, that's two pages out of 7.  Maybe you should go back and read these again before you want to talk to someone rationally about it.  Maybe some of those comments don't sound too harsh to you, but maybe they sound pretty harsh to Evill??  I didn't even include the name calling or insults.  Maybe, if you really want him to listen, you should try by maybe saying you are sorry for all the insults?  And if you aren't sorry, why should he listen to you at all?

Because he deserves them?

There is a difference between asking us to do something and appreciating us doing something.  We did what we did without their asking and Ben certainly never "asked" for it rather just said thanks to us supporting him.  My point stands.

Buc, we say those things and sugest that people do them because he deserves it. - I've tried to be nice to Evill, I've emailed him many times, the first time he responded with: "You've void any chance of ever returning with the stunts that you've pulled." - He has no intentions to reason things out, just to take advantage of the fact that he has all the power. Thats why we have to take this approach.

 
Hmm, i got to register myself on this forum btw.

But does something say that it is not allowed to use evill as a clan name ? If there are no rules involving something like this ? then he doesnt got a feet to stand on. But whose gonna tell him that, if there truly are no rules ? I would think of it, but i think that gu would get banned as well.

I have no opinon about the bannings, however, I would like to clear up some technical inaccuracies relating to "ICMP Logger".


First, ICMP Logger simply monitors your connection to the internet looking for incoming ICMP packets aka "pings". A "ping" is a short message sent across the internet to determine if a host is online, just a simple message like: "Hi. Please respond if you hear this!" The speed at which the host responds is used to help determine how much lag is between your computer and the host. Gameranger also monitors your internet connection looking for pings. The only real difference is Gameranger filters out any pings you didn't send first. That way the ping shown for the server is accurate.

When you move you cursor over a host's game room on Gameranger, it used to (I'm not sure if it still does) send a ping from your computer to the game room host's computer. This is a perfectly legal and not considered, by any means, to be "hacking". A ping is a two-way communication between computers just like any other type of internet traffic. Just because you don't normally see the IP addresses your computer is connecting to DOES NOT mean it is illegal or even against the rules for you to see those IP addresses.

ICMP Logger simply watches and reports to you whenever you get an incoming ping. It could even be considered an extremely crude Intrusion Detection System. There is NOTHING wrong with using ICMP Logger! All it is doing to letting the user see the IP address of the host it is connecting to. The Host is transmitting it's IP to you freely everytime it communicates with your computer.

To say it's illegal, or against the rules for you to know this IP is like saying it's illegal to read a return address on an envelope someone sent to you!

To sum it up:
"Pinging" is NOT illegal!
"ICMP Logger" NOT illegal!
You need NO "specical permission" to do either of these things!

You can achive the same effects with the commands: "Ping" and "Tcpdump" in the Mac OS X terminal.

To scare people into not beliveing they can't monitor the internet traffic other computers are sending into their OWN computer is the height of ignorance and downright irresponsible.

ben, i was in the b&g today disguised as -George- and AlivE and they were calling u a martyr... very interesting...
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Bondo and Typhy, you guys missed the point.  Bondo said Evill was full of shit whith his comment that Typhy and Ben had been encourging support.  Bondo asked if he was wrong.  I just pointed out that he was.  You point doesn't stand Bondo, just your anger.  You guys sure as hell aren't giving Evill any reason to let you back though.  Protests like that never work.  Ever.  They just piss people off more.

Alaric, what are you smoking?  First, you have some good technical facts there, but your justifications are a way off.  Like a mile or two.  Ever hear of the "ping of death"?  <sarcasim>No, that's not against the rules!</sarcasim>  Give me a break.  All hacking tools and techniques (except for some of the script kiddes crap) can and is used for legit purposes.  So what.  Port Scanning falls into the exact same category as pinging.  It's harmless, just looking for an open window is all.  Except if your ISP is alerted that you are doing it, it will get you droped in a heartbeat.  But, there are legit uses for port scanning.  I'll bottom line it for you.  Using a network tool on a system that says you are not allowed to (in it's TOS) will violate the TOS of your ISP.  You can argue that there is nothing wrong with it all you want, you'll be talking to yourself or over a different ISP.  Give our server 1000 pings in 1 second.  Watch how fast your ISP drops you (after we send them a nice e-mail explaining that abuse).  "It's just a ping" wont get you anywhere.  We've seen it happen.

OMG wh0re it was you!

Bucc, there is an amazing ammount of stuff regarding computers and life that is ilegal that people do every day, many of the bills that become law have stuff writen into them that no one ever looks at. Things such as pinging to get IPs may be protected against in your agreement with your ISP, the thing is that most larger cities ( note that where I live, Juneau, is not a large city ), have more than one ISP that you could turn to if your first one ban you for somthing, also, they're very reluctant to do things like that, because it losses them your money that they would get. My point Bucaneer, is that somthing like tracking an IP, even if it against your agreement with your ISP, is somthing that you will almost never get caught doing.  - Very few people, and no one through GameRanger, would actually take the time to call your ISP and get you in trouble. The normal person would never take the time or know how to, and Scott would just never take the time to, and what the hell is he gonna say anyways? "Hey, my name is Scott Kevill, pardon me if I sound stupid, thats 'cause I am, this one dude named |?K| Typhy is using a tracker to get peoples IPs", whats GCI gonna say? Uh dude, I think that you should see someone who specializes is dealing with people of your sort... *click*. Okay, perhaps he wouldn't say the stupid part... but really, Scott really doesn't care enough to do anything about it.

-Typhy

Well Evill could only make the claim if HE was having the act against himself...he could e-mail them saying that one guy was doing this to another guy...there has to be a complaint by the person the offense was against for the ISP to consider it.  BTW, I'm with adelphia who is bankrupt...they can't afford to chuck people off right and left.

Please, feel free to find any name calling or insults provided by me... I am most curious as to what I said in such a demeaning fashion.


What insults? So far all you provided to mean was a thank you for the effort to my friends, and me cracking a sarcastic joke. Maybe provide me with an insult I threw at Evill before you accuse? The one name I called him, "Fag" after he banned Tech as Tech was defending me. I admit. Feel free to point out any other demeaning thing said on my part. I'll take part responsibility then, and only then.

Ben

Part of the fact that we know very little personaly information about the other people on GameRanger makes it near inpossible for anything like this to ever happen, just like my comments about how it was ilegal for Anarchy to steal the source  to the AK site, theres no way that I could ever do anything about it, thats just how it goes, it's pretty childesh of us to make comments like that threating to take legal action against someone on GameRanger.

Look buddy, there is a HUGE difference between one or two pings and the "ping of death". A "ping of death" is a Denial of Service attack whereas a couple of isolated pings are used to determine if a host is up.

Again, I must stress that Ping and ICMP Logger are NOT hacking tools! My definition of "hacking tool" means that the tool is being used offensively to either attack or check for vulnerabilities in a host. e.g. a script or port scanner  (This is similar to how criminal law treats "tools of crime". A crowbar is a perfectly legal tool, however, when it is used to break a window and gain entry into a house it becomes a "tool of crime". That way the legitmate uses for crowbars are protected by law instead of being banned because the tool "could be used for criminal purposes".)

Port Scanning DOES NOT fall into the same category as Pinging. Pinging is a simple "Is anyone there?" request, where a port scan is a systematic testing of every possible "port" of entry into a host to determine what services are running. One is benign, the other is invasive. NEITHER should be grounds for account termination from an ISP. (I realize that the way things should be and the way things are are often very different but I feel I need to voice what I think is right.)

Why would I want to attempt a DOS attack at all, let alone such a feeble one? DOSing people is just plain destructive. Do you take me for that much of a fool?

I agree with you on at least one point. When a ping's frequency is increased to the point where it causes a service distruption, it should be treated as a DOS attack and should be dealt with as such. (Termination of account, etc.)

its funny how this thread started as why ben got banned and now it turns into a battle about whether or not pings are illegal...

None of you understand context it seems.  Ok, this is it, then I wont waste my time on this anymore.

Ben, you need to go back to where I say that not every comment is directed at every person.  Please read more carefully.  Bondo was the one doing most of the insults.  The question was why should Evill listen to him when he's being insulted.

Typhy, I've seen, and had people kicked from their ISP's (as a network admin).  It's amazing how little you need to give to an ISP for them to drop a user.  If they don't take action, they can be held responsible if there is down time later.  So they usually just kick the customer.  Oh, and even in big cities like mine, there's only one cable modem provider, and most don't have DSL yet.  So it still matters.

Alaric,  first, port scanning has it's legit purposes too.  You sound like a high school kid or early college.  You know a little about how this stuff works, but not how the real world is.  My point was, anything, pinging or port scanning or sniffing can be both good and bad, depending upon it's use.  

Now, if Evill has it in his TOS that you can't use a program like ICMP Logger, and you use it, and he reports you to your ISP, you can, and probably will be kicked.  It's that simple.  Test it if you want to.  Just like the people that test Evill to see if they'll get banned.  Sometimes you'll get away with it, sometimes you wont.

For starters, what are the chances that Scott would ever get off his butt and spend a good ammount of money to make a long distance call to Juneau Alaska, to GCI.... Hmm, almost nil I would say. Let me bring up also the fact that only about half of the IPs that I get come from ICMP Logger, many of them come from having people on AIM host and them telling me their IP. You ask "Why should Evill respond while he is being insulted", perhaps you should read Bondo's whole post, before he started to insult Evill, he spent a good ammount of time trying to reason things with him, he got the same kinds of responces that he gets now when he insults Evill.  I disagree with just insulting Evill and never trying to reason things out with him, but he's sure not very easy to reason with. - I think that somtimes having a lot of people insult him is a good thing, it shows him that everyones not afraid of him.

-Typhy

[R] Dragonic: Here comes a question i dont wanna get banned for pls, just give me an answer pls. Is there a rule that says its forbidden to use Evill a a clan tag ?
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??gT?SNiPE.su?: lol
??gT?SNiPE.su?: nice welcome
?? <=?>=??1?<sum>??Z??: hes not new
[R] Dragonic: oooh noo
??gT?SNiPE.su?: Who is it?
Evill: Dragonic, don't be a dumbass.
FrEak~Bl?ke|aHa!: lol evills a noob!!!!
[GETF] ?h3 ??$$1?n.: lol
[R] Dragonic: hmm k
[GETF] ?h3 ??$$1?n.: Evill: don't be a dumbass.
[GETF] ?h3 ??$$1?n.: :P
FrEak~Bl?ke|aHa!: lol
?? <=?>=??1?<sum>??Z??: evill, disconnect me for fun not for 30 min just for 1 sec
FrEak~Bl?ke|aHa!: thats a keeper
(uNt?Bungholio 0: the option key use fee is gonna kill him
[R] Dragonic: OMG
[GETF] ?h3 ??$$1?n.: Change our names again evill!
[R] Dragonic: the the new guy on Gr has hacked GR
FrEak~Bl?ke|aHa!: for 3 0 mins 1 sec?
FrEak~Bl?ke|aHa!: ??
[R] Dragonic: and someway got admin privileges......
?? <=?>=??1?<sum>??Z??: not 30 min
[GETF] ?h3 ??$$1?n.: ????
?? <=?>=??1?<sum>??Z??: just like if u flood
[R] Dragonic: how did he do it ?
[GETF] ?h3 ??$$1?n.: who?
?? <=?>=??1?<sum>??Z??: room flood
SiX.cybershark 0: lol
?? <=?>=??1?<sum>??Z??: u get disconencted
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?? <=?>=??1?<sum>??Z??: but u can come back in
[R] Dragonic: hmmz
[R] Dragonic: not meant to treaten
<< ??g?? .:|<rAz? |vaN:. has left the room >>
[R] Dragonic: mean funny
Evill: You're either a very poor liar, or very easily confused.
Evill: Or both.

Seems he doesnt want to talk bout if its a rule that you cant use Evill as a clan tag.

He prefers not to tell us the rules, rather he just bans people with no reason why.

Im back th the Forms, Damn all this bull shit bann shit, im sure there is sum way for all you Banned Folks to get back on the Gr! This is Complete Bull SHIT!!!!

lol, just my 2 centz
-5150

bondo look in your GR folder, you will see the rules.

Oso, pretty much the rules say that Evill can do whatever he wants, for whatever reason, whenever he wants, thats what it comes down to. 5150, Yes, I can get back on GameRanger, the thing is, when it comes down to it, it's Scott's service, and if he doesn't want me there, then thats his choice, and I'm not one to break that and come back without him permission.

Don't fuckin bs me and say you can when you can't, cause if you could you would! No Offence

It's still Bs!
And get on Aim Typhy!

First off 5150, I could, second, I am on AIM!

Sure, there are extremely basic and vague rules that he gives you, but most of what he bans for isn't covered by the ToS but rather is his "interpretation" or in essence banning for things that aren't in the rules.  No where in the rules does it say you can't have Evill as a clan name...and having Evill as a clan name isn't impersonation so there is no rule against it...yet he has drawn issue to it (even if he never actually banned over it).  Additionally it doesn't say you can't have Evill anywhere in your name and I know for sure that i've been banned for that when it was in no way impersonation.

So you understand that not only did I get banned without reason, but also that my ban was extended when someone else talked shit on him... This is such bs..

Ben

Ben,
     We were banned, we were let in, we played and died, then you quit. To this day I dont know why you quit but thats just irrelevent. There is a potition going around on a new subject, if you support it with another topic saying to sign it, then it will be widley reconized . Is bondo perma???


Why does kevill perma DAMN Bondo? Makes no sense


 Zait

No, I'm not perma, I only got one day.

man serriously like scott Kevill has a reason 2 ban anyone he created game ranger we are using it for free you guys should stop bitching jesus i mean hes made rules for game ranger (even though i dont follow them alot) they are rules either follow them or suck it up princess and not use game ranger at all.  Ugh sometimes you guys are like babies even though some people didnt do anything at all its total in his hands so stop bitching have a nice day  :) :D

Uuuuh. 2 things, I didnt break a rule is one, and two is i didnt bitch... (Much)

I'm curious though... What's the longest thread ever on DAMN Forum? I wanna beat it now...

Ben

I skimmed through most of the posts..And even though most of you don't really care what I say or not, figure I'd post my opinion on this. Let the rambling begin!
A few things...
GR is a free application, which Scott put a loooot of work into. Since you aren't paying for it, he can do whatever he wants with it. He could ban me for leaving a room because he was in it, and yes, I would be pissed. However, since I haven't given him a penny, I've gotten a hell of a lot of free entertainment from GameRanger. Now, if we donated money or were paying customers, I'm sure he would listen to some input we had to say about his permabans and such. But the fact is, it's a free application, and he's spent a lot of time on it. Put yourself in his shoes. You're Evill, you're chilling with the kangaroos and whatnot in Australia, being the Dictator of GameRanger. Now, you see people publicly criticizing you, making bad remarks and comments about yourself and your application. That sure would piss me off, especially if I spent all that time making GR, and giving it away for FREE to anyone who wishes to use it. Well then, think about it. If someone was disrespecting you and your product(even if they're just making fun of your user name, or just taking it, whatever the case...no matter how insignificant it may seem to the offender), wouldn't you want to just cut them from your FREE service? I sure would. I'd say to hell with them, and permaban them, and anyone else who was involved. Now, in this case, even if it was just for fun to make a clan called Evill (Or is it Evil, Zak's clan? I dunno the whole story). You fellas need to stop and think about his feelings (Yes, that sounds very corny, and After-School-Programish). The way I see it, the best way to fight against Evill and his bans is to be respectful towards him, and just let him permaban the noobs (not to say Typhy or Ben or anyone else permabanned is a newbie). Once he sees the GR community shows him a bit more respect, maybe he'll cut down on the bans a bit. Anyways, if you treat Kevill and the rest of the community with respect, you won't get banned. It's not that hard...Can't we all just get along? =D Hope someone reads this, cuz it's really freakin' long.

Eh. I never made fun of him... Granted I was AN Evill, but that sure as hell wasn't why he banned me. If it were the other 13 people involved would be banned. I did not call Evill a fag or anything like that till he started banning people because they defended me. I don't even talk to Evill, thus respect given. By the way, I agree he should be able to perma whomever he wants, just it would be nice for a reason...

Ben

ben dont you read your PM's I sent you one long time ago and you didnt answer. PLZ ANSWER. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/uzi.gif)

Ultimo my guess is you would fight this too. It is clear to me that you think Ben's point is invalid however maybe to him it is and if you were there and knew the circumstances you might change your opinion. If its a big deal to him then let it be but if its not to you I think that you should keep that to yourself.

 Well Mellow, if you'd do a better job of reading all the posts, you would see that we all honor the fact that it is within Scott's rights to do whatever he wants on GameRanger, we're just commenting on how unfair it is. I think that if I ran GameRanger, I wouldn't put up with people giving me crap, but I would at least try and explain what I disliked about what they were doing, with Scott, you never know anything, he never updates his site, and it's very hard to get him to answer your questions or respond to your emails.

Uuuuuh, You haven't sent me a PM. I haven't recieved one for about 4 days. Could you be mistaken? The last one I recieved from you all you said is "Nope"...

Ben

Typhy: I didn't have time to read all of the posts..cuz 8 pages..of all the same stuff basically. I got the idea. Now, I understand that you fellas think it's unfair, but it's also unfair to bite the hand that feeds you. Anyways. Just my thought on it.

It may be a little lat but I 100% agree with Bondo. Not only is he afraid to ban him but I also agree changes need to happen. We can not justl et this alk in and the our fight burn out and be oppressed.  All these new Gameing things for Mac are opening but there arent enough of us because we all split into the different places. We need to find ONE place OTHER then Gameranger. That why Gameranger is so popular, we know we can find each other there so we go. But if someone, someone big and respected purhaps ben himself would take charge and lead something and actually make changes we just might be able to accomplish what we want to.

 To bondo I say "If you hadnt used the words you did, I would have"