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WOW! Check out nishi's website, he has some nice weapon models he's been working on for GR! The hands don't fit around the guns properly yet, but he'll get it fixed!

                            -AMBROSE 8)

They definately look sweet.

Ambrose, if you had a link you could drop in a post for the website I would appreciate it. dont know what the web addy is....thanks  :D

http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/nmm/

CHECK IT OUT THEY LOOK SWEET!!!

                    -AMBROSE

wow, those are pretty cool. I love that M-21 sniper rifle. very awesome. thanks for the link ambrose

Have u played his weapon mod for UO/RS? I suggest u download it if u haven't. One of the better weapon mods out! Its called NMM MOD VERSION 8 download the FULL version!
(it has that sniper rifle u like Grendel!)
           

                                                     -AMBROSE 8)

no, I cant say that I have played it. but, I will definately give it a try. thanks for the input.

Ooooie! ive been waiting for the M60E3... By modern standards it is kindov a crappy weapon. Too heavy, bulky and too much recoil... but man oh man is that gun sexy... and the sound... i think im in heaven *drool*

:P

Question: If old "Nishi-san" is such a hot-rod modder, how come he's got the belt on his M60E3 feedin' from the right?

With over thirteen years experience as an SF weapons sergeant, I have used almost every one of these weapons and believe me, you notice details like that.

I've played Nishi 7, 7.5 and 8 for UO.  Yeah, the models are generally well done, but anything can look good if you're willing to throw enough polygons at it. The trick is to "suspend disbelief" while finding a good balance between appearance and poly count. The word here is "shibumi"

And let's face it, his textures sometimes could use some work, his text files suck and he uses the stock game sounds and reticles.  Not what I would call a comprehensive package.

Sound harsh? Maybe, but the bar has been raised, thanks in no small part to folks like those at Cocobolo Ops and DTD.

? ? ? i like the mod a lot, and i really have no prob with his style, i never knew about the belt prob, you made some good points, and i appreciate your comentary.




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-ambrose

I don't think it's too harsh... I have no problem with Nishi and before I started modding I got all his mods the 1st day. I have mods from other Japanese modders that had better guns,(O&K) it seems like the mods from over there tend to try to change things about the game but rarely touch the basic details like rets and sounds.

It's true, if you make a gun with millions of un-nessecary poly's, you could texture it with a blank grey square and it'd look ok. I mean, some of the gun barrels look like thay have 18 sides, overkill. Not much in the way of texture work over there, besides making the textures green. But he did inspire me in a way and I can't knock him.

SabreSix, it's nice to have somebody who actually did some of the real stuff around here! Got any spare M4's you don't want? ;D

I agree with Sabre 100%. Dont get me started on LLoyds either. What a disappointment, anyway, Coco Ive seen you mention O&K several times. Never heard of them, where can we get the mods or at least have a look at their work? I think I remember you saying they are no longer around, if so disreguard.

O&K are closed down, but if I can find the mods and repack them I may offer them, unchanged, for download. The models and the types of guns were cool, none of the mods had over 35 guns in it. No new rets or sounds. There was the main O&K wep mod, a Steyer mod, an M-16 mod, and a JSDF mod, which had weps of the Japanese military like the type 89 rifle, etc... I just liked the models and their choices of guns.

Thx Coco, I always liked those small mods like that. Dont go to alot of trouble though, I know your busy. Maybe I can find it somewhere or get with ya later down the road.

I DON'T AGREE WITH SABRE SIX He's still cool though ;)... But I do think Llyods mod was Horibble. It was soooooooooooooo BAD >:( My god the models were like blocks with gun pics pasted on them :( Very disapointing :(

             -AMBROSE

Ok guess I'll plat devil's advocate here  :). I actuallt like Lloyds current weapons mod. The models themselves may not be pretty but the vast selection is nothing short of impressive and to this date is the only mod (that I know of)
to incorporate that many guns into RS

heh well there is a saying an i try to stick by it when modding ..quality over quanity, not to bash lloyd but i sometimes doubt he practices this..

I agree with Pic, the models were sooo bad, it almost eliminates the point of making new models. But aside from that, he's got a beta team that had to pay to join, and the mod was so buggy it shouldv'e been delayed at least a month. No offense to our friend Paladin06, but I was turned off at the whole idea of him charging people to join his "team".... so I don't DL his mods.

We can make a mod with a thousand guns, and spend less time actually making nice models with nice textures and nice inventory pics, with nice stats. Sometimes less IS more...

I hear what you guys are sayin , especially the paying to be a member thing. That imo is wrong. What I was trying to say about the mod was that a great deal of the weapons in his mods have never been used by any other. And there is no possible way to do great models and textures for each weapon. Also imo models and such don't need to be great to play a game. Function over beauty I guess.

I just don't get the whole money scam with mods. Mods should be free add-ons. I mean that is crap having people pay! Coco might as well just release his mods for retail >:(

-AMBRO$E

what I dont get is why he didnt keep the models from Lloyds mod 6... some of them were really nice, like the SR-25k, but when I tried Lloyd 7 the model was new... and butt-ugly... sure having alot of guns is nice... but whats the point when most of us could have done this at home by making the new weapons but using the old models... oh well... what do I know... im just a lowly old sweed... an evrebodi nows weze stopid eh?

heh. Some of my favorite bands are from Sweden.

Heh yeah like bands of raging vikings out to pillage and plunder the whole of europe... but seriously... sweden has a big music industry, unfortunately most of the money goes to american companys so even tho sweden is one of the largest music producing countrys in europe we dont se diddly squat of the money made...

Ya that's what I figured. The bands I listen to I guess could be called "underground" or whatever. My favs are S.P.O.C.K , Elegant Machinery , Restricted Area , Covenant...etc. They are so amazing. I even got to meet the guys from Covenant over the summer. They were really nice. They were just waiting outside their tour bus and my friends and I just walked up and started talkin. It was soooooo cool     ;D

The good thing about most swedish bands is that they are very down to earth about the whole success thing (not counting Roxette, but they suck). actually most of the members of S.P.O.C.K came from a town near mine, i went to school there, at the same school they went to...

I listen to spock sometimes too... "never trust a clingon" great stuff!

my Cuz is in a band called Seeking Homer. they tour all around New York and other places. They have three CDs out one live two studio recorded. My cuz plays the drums, he just got married last summer I think. Couldn't go to there wedding..... had to take care of the family buisiness :(

CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE http://www.seekinghomer.com/

-AMBROSE :)

That is soo cool Josef. I really love their musical style. Some songs just put the biggest smile on my face while others are more serious. The thing I like about Sweden is that it seems very innovative when it comes to electronic music and such. Pretty much all the bands that I listen to are from your native Sweden or Germany.

I LIKE RAMSTIEN!!!! OKAY I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS ABOUT EM!! I THINK THEY ROCK!!!! >:(

-AMBROSE >:(

Oh yeah! RAMMSTEIN ROCKS BABY!!!! 8)
The reason why we have so many bands is, amongst other things, that we have Leisure houses (best translation i could come up with) that are sortof youth centres, but not just for problem kids, but all kids... they can go there and play pool, pingpong, play music or whatever. alot of the swedish bands start out as a local band in a Fritidsg?rd (as it is called in swedish) and then go on, either as the same band or they split up and form new bands... but it is an important part of it all...

oh and yes... i do work at a Fritidsg?rd as sortof a recreations leader or whatnot (basically a grownup to help the kids out and see to it that they behave at least a little). 8)

        Thank god somone else like Ramstein! Everyone I mention ramstein to freaks out and says, The lead singer screwed the keyboardest onstage! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!! Who cares?! They play good music, isn't that what its all about? the music?
         And man, I think its cool that you mentor kids and stuff. i always wanted to do that. Anyway Whats Sweden like? Always wanted to go there.

-AMBROSE

    Many of the posts I'm seeing are right on target guys.  In the intensely Darwinian arena of the mind, ideas are the ammunition.  Any intellectual property you create is yours to do with as you please.  It's about having the respect of the gaming community in general and fellow modders in particular. To paraphrase: "Around here we got two kinds of modders. We got your prime modders, who crank out all the hot mods.  And we got your pud-knockers, who dream about crankin' out the hot mods".  You know who you are.

For better or worse, like it or not, we are all members of a community, a "sub-culture" if you will.  And like any community, there are rules, written and unwritten, that, by the very act of participation, we all tacitly agree to live by.  Certain ideas and ideals bind us together, however loosely.  Think about this.  If somehow you were suddenly and irrevocably banished from this interaction, not allowed to participate in this community, would you not have lost something of value?  Something that enriched you?  Something no less real for it's being intangible?  To ask someone to pay for the right to participate in what is essentially voluntary is anethema to the very notion.  And we've all seen how quickly stolen ideas are exposed and the miscreants censured because, at a viceral level, we all know that, in this community, that is the very worst form of thievery.

Great art enriches, raises the bar and promotes all participants to strive for a higher standard.  The difference between ordinary and extraordinary is just a little bit extra.  I have a couple of gigabytes of mods saved on CD for reference but only a select few stay active in the mod file.  Most only have one or two aspects that appeal but the keepers are the ones that make you step back from the monitor and say "Holy sh_t!".

While much that passes for art has been produced to put bread on the table, the truly great is usually produced when the artist is inspired, driven by a need to share a vision that causes the rest of us to say "Wow!"

If I can do it, it's not art.

I shall now relinquish the soapbox.

P.S. Coco, no unclaimed M4's laying around but I have built a few match grade rifles for NRA Service Rifle competition for friends (on their recievers, of course).;)

"Only accurate rifles are interesting"-

Dude, you rock. 8)

Sabre Six your the coolest

-AMBROSE

Thanks, SabreSix that was extremely well said.
It's funny, because a lot of people think of mods and rarely associate art with them. I've always been an artist and I can get some great results with different types of mediums, but my problem (as I imagine any artist's) has always been motivation.

With mods, you have constant feedback, ideas flowing in, and it keeps me primed. I always try to do things visually that are satisfying to look at and stand apart from others. When I started, my skills in Photoshop were minimal, so some of the techniques I have developed weren't there yet, but the subject matter was definitely different.

When I work on a mod like US TAC, my challenge is to come up with things that look like they are real, almost alive and less like a cartoonish type of feel. With a mod like Renegade Legion, I can just let the mind go where ever and really be creative. Both challenges serve to develop skills. I look in awe at some of the work these HalfLife and Unreal modders put out. The thoroughness and originality, as well as the artists' skill.

It's the equivalent of doing a canvas, and while you are working on it, knowing that thousands of people will see it and analyze it, every detail. That is something that most artists rarely have the luxury of knowing, having that reward there visible in front of them while they work. Even when I draw or paint I am very detail oriented, heavily influenced by Japanese design-oriented illustration styles. So it goes way past the game and becomes like a worldwide gallery.

sabre six.. very well said.
you are so dead on target.
you should be writing editorials for ELiTeD.
in fact i just posted it.
everyone knows how i feel about the thieving of mods.
coco is a true artist. he has shown me a couple of things he made. incredible. and it shows in his mods.. he is the best i've seen.
RLTC is going to blow you all away. I have died so many times in these maps just because i couldn't stop staring in awe. The unis, weapons, maps...... you wont believe what they have done.

Potential. Not what I do now, but what I will do. Not what I am, but what I become. The only constant is change. We are all in the constant form of becoming. Each moment, hour and day. Right now. More or less. Your best is always yet to come.

At some point even Da Vinci had to stop staring at the canvas, pick up the damned brush and make that first stroke.

(still searching for my medium. I know I left it around here somewhere.)

Hey man poets are artists too! In case nobody told you, that is ;)

im a tooth artist. i make them all pretty again

Yeam man. that cat was groovie 8) I am my own prisoner in world filled with policemen, yeah thats right cats 8) The man is everyone and evreything. Every tax u pay is another dolar for the man. 8)

-AMBROSE 8)

all of you rock in my opinion. unfortunately for myself, the only art I've created is the exit wound patterns in the bodies of my opponents   ;D. just bein silly of course....I havent posted in a few days....so, I just couldnt stop myself. heh heh....later guys

Wow!!!

Missed it befor.  :(
Great to see some other guys like Ramms+ein!!!  8)
Saw their concert in Sweden last mont.
Damn what a show!!!  ;D

_TT_

Poetry, Coco? ???

Sorry, but it has been my experience that people who read their own poetry in public often have other disgusting habits as well. :p

"Poetry, like any other form of masturbation, should be done in private. And be sure to wash your hands when you're finished."-Robert Heinlein

Maybe dirty limericks though...

(There was a young man from Mass...) :)

Are u moking me Sabresix? >:(

-AMBROSE :(

Ha ha, ok S6, I've heard that quote before and generally I agree, but let's just call you the "accidental poet" lol... Unintentional poetry is the purest form ;)

"Moking" you, Ambrose?  Absolutely not!

Why, I think I can accurately state that I've never "moked" anyone in my life!  Actually, I'm not certain that this is the proper forum for a dialogue of such an obviously personal nature.  I certainly don't know you well enough to "moke" you and truthfully, I have to admit that, while I'm flattered that you asked, I've never thought about you in quite that way.  So, thanks, but no thanks.  Nope, I think that the first time I "moke" it should be with someone special to me.:)

No, you'll just have to "moke" on without me.  But don't be ashamed. Just remember, one person's rubber chicken is someone else's marital aid.;)

(I sometimes have trouble keeping up with the slang so I'm not quite sure what "moking" is, but it sounds like it involves more hand-washing) ???

S6 gots no 1337 nekkid "moking" skillz.:(

sardonic- (adj.) Grimly or scornfully mocking, bitterly sarcastic.

Mocking in other words means to taunt. I thought u were making fun of me cuz of the "there once was a man from Mass..." And I for one being from Mass, thought maybe you were taunting me for writting my poetry.

-AMBROSE

   ;D

well this has certainly degraded into a lovely little kissing contest hasn?t it?... ;)

give it up boys... theres no winner in this contest...  :P(?cept me that is... I always win ?8))

Ha ha and people say I'M a wiseass...

you a wiseass? hell no.  ;)

Been passing up this post because i don't have GR, should of known by the num of posts sumthin was going down. Been missing the fun. Oh well , hey Millencolin is from Sweden !