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What if you had someone like this in your family?

He's a drunk. Doesn't matter what his particular poison is, it's how he lives his life.

He's always broke. He has to borrow money to finance his nights out on the town. He tells the people he borrows from that he'll get them back sometime in the future.

He spends money he doesn't have on shit he doesn't need. And then tells his kids that he can't afford to send them to a good school or a good doctor because times are tough.

He's been known to get drunk and attack people who haven't done anything to him. Invariably, this gets him in fights that he can't win.

He goes off on benders and no one can find him for days. Once, while he was on one of these, part of his house flooded and his family had to go stay with relatives. He hasn't bothered to clean up that part of the house yet. It has been seven months now.

When any of his friends question his choices he loudly declares that either they are "with him or against him" and calls them cowards. When someone in the family questions him, he tells them that they are ungrateful and obviously don't care as much about the family as he does.

Ironically, he's the first guy to stand up in church on Sunday. He sings the loudest, even as his breath stinks of booze.

So now if you were his wife, would you stay with this guy?

If you were his kid, would you take fatherly advice from him?

If he was your brother-in-law, would you lend him money?

If you were his friend, would you even let him drive home?

So why would you vote for him and his kind to run this country?

This administration is full of drunks. The Republican party is the party of drunks. And anyone who votes for them is an enabler.

It's time to take away the keys before someone really gets hurt.

just in case your forgot that the midterm elections were coming

Stolen from http://terminal-boy.livejournal.com/1588.html

I dont need cutesy analogies to realise when there's a problem.
America doesnt need armchair bloggers to see whats wrong.
They need leaders..not cheerleaders spouting tired slogans,
and being every bit as hateful as they accuse the 'other' side of being.

Smarmy, patronizing commentaries like this are pointless...
they dont convince me that the Republicans are Drunks...
they dont convince me that Kerry could have handled any of this any better.
they dont convince me that they can understand or articulate issues better
they dont enlighten me or anyone else
They cant convince me that they have the Golden plan to Fix Iraq, Global Warming, or Immigration
They dont show me a complex solution to a comlex problem
They dont show me the way out of the spiraling failure of ALL humanity..(ours and theirs)
they dont convice me that their maturity level would do my country any better.

I need one of these smart asses to stop being patronizing and bring me a qualified candiate.
One that doestn have bad habits, bad judgements, stunted ethics, brilliant spin teams...
One that cares about humanity, and not just the Election cycle to make them presidential.

Until you have that shining example...in your grasp..vetted and proven..
SHUT THE FUCK UP about the failure of the other guy,
get YOUR house in order and BRING ME SOMETHING BETTER.
Give me a Name of a Human with a formal solution,
not not anti idiological laundry list working the 'Ironic Comedy angle"
...we get it... we got it a long time ago.
SOLVE something..dont fucking sit around bitching for 8 years...
it makes me not even want to HEAR your opinion,
much less side with you on it..its so repetitive and boring.
Show me the Shining Democratic leader that will fix ALL of this for me, and he'll get my vote.
Guess what, you dont have one. Hillary? HAHAHA who else? NAMES PLEASE..AL GORE? ok...sure.

You think you got that guy that can make it all better?
Im betting you dont know if you do or not..
and neither did we when we brought this administration in.

Being Democratic certainly wouldnt prevent much of what is happening...
Fucking SHOW me a candidate that CAN do it better.
they are out there, GO FIND EM..BRING EM TO ME.
But don't preach at me for fucks sake..we are all so way past that... really.

****The administration is full of drunks, the republican party is full of drunks.***
Really? all of em..wow...i think ill need some proof of that please..or else youre just using an insult relevant to ONE person and using that to bullshit us into thinkin that you have an actual point. The president drink/drank whatever...so fucking what? Does he drink for ALL the republicans?
They are ALL dry drunks out of control? of my approxiamte 30 odd regular acquaintances, i find the Republicans ACTUALLY drink WAYYY FUCKING less than my Democratic friends..smoke less pot, snort a whole lot less cocaine, make better money and have better educations, and smoke less cigarettes too. But im sure you dont think my average life is a valid sample..becuase it doesnt complement your assertion. Too Bad.

Sixhits, thats about as unenlightened as anything ive seen you post..
Wanna convince me of something..then BRING me something.
Insults are paper tigers...Anyone can fold one together and
then copy/paste an opinion from someone elses MySpace page...so what?
Did the guy who wrote that tell us WHo exactly we're suposed to vote for next time?
Or i guess ACTUAL solutions arent as important as 'internet intellectualism'...
generalizations are all you need, becuase its just..that...simple...

Most of us are grown up enough to recognize a bad administration when we see it. OK?

Sorry for wasting your time by getting passionate about wanting some solutions instead of the droning monotonous repetitious coffehouse whining...Im tired of it. Our problems are deep enough that we could use some adult discussion, and not smarmy insult politics..thats lame-ASS. And thats not so much To SixHits as it is to the general tone of the political landscape right now. All bitching and no solutions..
Im sure that wasnt clear in my first response...the anger's not at SixHits..although it sounded like it...

And PIE, if a little heat in a political debate is too much for you, its probably better for you, and anyone who DOES care enough to get passionate, that you make yourself scarce anyways... especially on political topics... Theres no room for apathy in this one. Offering up a two line post about the direction of our country doesnt show me that you give a shit anyways, so maybe this debate wasnt meant for you after all..

OK, as usual..i went long on something im passionate about..and probably risked losing the audience for it..heres a condensed version of what Im getting at, and you tell me there's not some validity in what im saying:

What if you had someone like this in your family, A step-Father. When your mom met him, you thought he was a nice guy and you encouraged her to marry him..untill one day, he showed his true colors....you are powerless to change him. You are powerless to leave. You are 16, and you have Two more years before you can move out. You are stuck with this drunk...for now.
He gets drunk in public, so everyone knows. He causes fights, so everyone hates your family. He beats your mom, so everyone sees the bruises. he has the entire town afraid of him, because hes so volatile...Even his friends are afraid to cross him...thats how crazy he is...

But guess what, you're stuck with him for Two more years.

When you go to the grocery store..people point and laugh..HAHAH YOUR STEP-FATHERS A DRUNKEN FOOL!!

You duck out, and head to the library..in hushed tones, you can hear people whispers...hey, isnt that the Kid with the drunken step-father??

remember, Youre STUCK...Two more years..

You go to school...the Kids start a chant..Hey Hey Flunkie, your step-dad's a Drunkie...it wont stop..so you go to the teacher..and she says.."Well, if your father wasnt such a drunken idiot people wouldnt make fun of you...

At your wits end, you go the your local priest, and instead of any helpful advice, he says...well son, its your lot to suffer...and then gives you that serenity prayer bullshit..about changing the things you can, and not worrying about the things you cant..

So now, here we are..Kids at his wits end...In all of those scenarios...did anyone offer a solution for him? No. Could they have? Yes. Did they tell you anything you didnt already know about your Father?? No. Did they enlighten you somehow..by making fun of him? No. Was it like a beat down to have everyone gleefully, and sort of maliciously announce that your dad's a drunk, when you, your mom, and your sibling already KNOW hes a drunk? yeah just a bit..

Tired of hearing about it?...Abso-fucking-lutely.

There, I hope that makes my point in such a way, that it wont seem like such a personal attack against Sixhits. Because it wasnt..really...

In reality, the anger in my response, was to him, as if he were one of those town-people, who are feeling sooo superior to me and my family at the moment..becuase perhaps they dont have a drunk in the family, and have no capacity for compassion for my mother or my little sister...who are stuck, just like i am...only maybe worse..And they dont know what he was like before like i did..before the change..back when we all liked him.

And those people feeling so smug..pretending theyre doing me a favor by reveling in my stuck position.. theyre almost celebrating my suffereing. Even from the teacher and the priest, who offered zero guidance, zero advice, zero solutions.. Just more judgement. They claim they are better people, without fault, without guile, without judgement, without malice..you know its bullshit. Theyre as hateful as your stepfather, and youre stuck between them.

Youre 16, youre stuck, and you got two more years to go...when those two years are up..you know what you gotta do.

Quote from: (SiX)Sheixhundt on March 29, 2006, 07:12:21 am

And PIE, if a little heat in a political debate is too much for you, its probably better for you, and anyone who DOES care enough to get passionate, that you make yourself scarce anyways... especially on political topics... Theres no room for apathy in this one. Offering up a two line post about the direction of our country doesnt show me that you give a shit anyways, so maybe this debate wasnt meant for you after all..

Sheix, while you may think I'm apathetic about politics, that's far from the truth. The difference between you and I is that I don't waste my energy ass-raping a macintosh gaming site forum post just because of something which I find to so absurd an argument that I can't even consider it to be an argument at all. To claim that the Republican party is full of drunks just because Bush had a few drinks in his lifetime is doing my job of taking the post apart brick by brick for me. If anyone thinks that this is anything more than an amusing analogy (which stretches the truth pretty far... let's not kid ourselves...), then I really don't have the desire to show them that they're idiots; the world will do that for me in good time (though the only problem with that is that I'm dead set on the belief that at least 90% of people are idiots, too).

If we can't start seeing the world with some humor (cough*Danish Cartoons*cough), then we're all fucked.
Likewise, if we feel obligated to acknowledge every dumbass analogy put on the net... then we're all fucked.

::domina:: Cheers, douchebag.

You were so busy reading the words that you missed the point under 'em.
It wasnt about his post or drunken republicans.
It was about the entire spectrum of insult politics.
I wasnt addressing people who would feel put out by someone who addresses a politcal post...
I mean replying to Posted topics SURELY isnt what forums are all about are they? that would be silly.

And this aint hte gaming section of DAMN either, so i know i wasnt in the wrong place.
Fuck.... keep on movin on then...or at least be consistent and have some balls to point out what an idiotic post that was in the first place, which is all i did in long form..

It wasnt about SixHits, it was about the entire state of debate and or consideration
of not just THAT post, but the theme underlying it.

Being tired of the tone of ALL political discussion concernimg my president,
i got something to say about it.

And when i respond, im addressing the universe..about my beliefs..could care less who, if anyone reads it..so applying thought to any subject isnt wasted energy to me. I type fast enought that its not wasting time either.

Douchebag?

Fuck you.

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I need one of these smart asses to stop being patronizing and bring me a qualified candiate.
One that doestn have bad habits, bad judgements, stunted ethics, brilliant spin teams...
One that cares about humanity, and not just the Election cycle to make them presidential.

What concerns me in these things is that it isn't just the candidate.. ok its a democracy and you get to pick your candidate etc, but what about all his/her (if only it was a her for once) aides and assistance, advisers and sneaky f*cking little buggers that lurk in the shadows?

Hey shit to buggery we don't even pick our prime minister, we pick a party (and i guess he comes with it... kinda) which would be fine if the tard didn't think he was the president of the UK.

So many politicians are filth - republic, democratic, conservative labour or whatever. There are definatly some who arn't, who are genuinely good guys. but will they ever really get given a chance? is there really a hope in hell when you have such a dirty assed relationship of politicians, money and commercial interests. Money money and filthy pieces of shit with no morals who will do whatever they can to line their own pockets, the pockets of their friends or perhaps just force their believes on others in some twisted kinda power trip, or struggle to retain power. Its enough to make you throw up over yourself.

And when people stand up and question what is going on, (only the other day i read about a couple of senior american academics who wrote an incredible paper on the pro-israeli lobby in the US and the influence and power of religious and economic groups), they are shot down, (in that case they were labeled anti-semetic oh and all the normal unpatriotic shit or whatever.

Oh and over here? we have 'PFI's private finance Initiatives, hey heres a good idea lets privatise everything so companies can make money out of not teaching our kids.... nonono i won't go on im too mad.

Are the Democrats in the US squeaky clean? Bullshit they are, i just guess on the whole they aren't quite as repulsive as some Republicans.

Is labour a clean party in the UK, or even the Lib-dems? No Labour stinks, blair leads them increasingly towards the pits of the conservatives. and the lib-dems? not squeaky clean im sure, but right now considering what i see in the world of politics, they at least brushed up not smelling of shit.

Its just disgusting.

If my father proposed to cut funding for breast cancer research and funding to detect breast cancer early on for young women I would quite literally and honestly beat him with a rubber hose until he could no longer move. I learn new things about Bush everyday that just make me want to pound his nuts up his throat. Then again my father wouldn't do that because a) he's not a religious nut-job (though he does go to church), b) he's not a wealthy oil tycoon in search for more (though he does pay taxes and does have a job), c) he's not evil and cold-hearted (though his hatred toward bush may be considered cold-hearted and evil) and lastly, d) he does not have a "perfect" family where nobody gets cancer and nobody is gay... I wonder what Bush would do if his wife was diagnosed with breast cancer tomorrow, that answer is simple.

Any party which supports a member who tries/is trying to cut funding for cancer research can go fuck itself.

I see the next republican campaign...

Lower taxes for the rich and cut cancer research funding! ::applause::
Vote Republican 2008! ::applause::

cold-hearted bastards!

see: http://www.cancer.org/docroot/MED/content/MED_2_1x_American_Cancer_Society_Reacts_to_Presidents_Proposed_Budget.asp

She says the Dems should go clean up their house first. But I say America is their house - is our house - and removing the Republicans from power is the first step to making America great again.

Bring out the old stalking horse Ted Kenedy and I'll point to Tom Delay, Scooter Libby, Duke Cunningham, Jack Abramoff, Thomas Noe, David H. Safavian and now, Brian Doyle. This is the face of the Republican party - just a short list of the indicted face - a list of people involced in bribery, purjury, corruption and pedophilia (that would be Brian Doyle, Homeland Security Department spokesman).

She just doesn't get it. The right likes to pretend that the Dems aren't a better solution to this country's problems because the Dems don't have any new ideas or better solutions. That's flat wrong, but She's bought it hook line and sinker.

One of the left's biggest problems is that we have very good plans that we poorly articulate. They tend to be complicated and nunaced. Do you actually want me to dig up policy papers? Is that what you need to read before you'd kick the Republicans out of Congress?

You perfer policies like ban gay marriage, cut taxs, and deport illegal immigrants? Policies that are simple on their face, but fail when actualized because they are based in political grandstanding. Are any Republican policies not polictical grandstanding? Terri Shiavo anyone?

But just in case you're still reading:
Here are some links to Democratic policy. If you really, really want me to I will try and dig up policy papers and shove thousands of words in your face.
http://democrats.senate.gov/agenda/
and
http://www.democrats.org/agenda.html

This nation cannot afford Republican rule. That's the underlining point of the first post I made -- after all they've done, how can you trust them? We need to take their "key" to power; they've just done too much damage with it.

An example of a Democratic leader? Senator Russ Feingold.
http://feingold.senate.gov/

Trumped again Reb, by your reference to your leet historical pro gamer status. Put it on your resume.
And, I am older..and educated..a claim youll be able to make if you ever get your 'coaching degree'...
And I dont use "high vocabulary' to make myself seem older..I use "A" vocabulary to articulate complex ideas to the other adults on the forum...with more than three-sentence posts..
wtf is a 'high vocabulary' anyway?

And no Reb, our vocabularies are not even remotely 'faily" similar..thx.
I would Never 'Challange' someone who can't actually SPELL the word "challenge".

**applauds florida's public education system.

Welcome back to your post Sixhits..problem is..no one cares anymore.

And if, just once, you read the posts (in order) and absorbed the words in it (which you NEVER do)..i said i realized where the shortfalls in our administration were. AND conceded that the first post sounded like more of an attack on you personally than intended....and aimed it at insult politics in general..to avoid just the type of post you made here.. But you skipped that part evidently. You thought your Drunk analogy was so cute, I thought id use the same analogy to make MY point..but you dont see the common sense in it i guess..

You havent supplied a SOLUTION, so youre broadbrushing again, without acknowleging the postions i already put out there...so really, youre not discussing, your just talking...

Gays can marry, cut taxes when prudent, and deport criminal illegals..thats different from your position how exactly? (in case my ACTUAL -instead of presumed- positions are relevant to you) Hell, i wasnt saying that the Dems dont have solutions, i was saying YOU didnt offer any..other than high school ad hominem...discuss the fucking issues. And is not my job to dig thru their policy papers to get the Gist of what the Dems want to do..thats THEIR job..Not my fault if the infighting is so thick that those positions never make it into coherehnt unified actionable policy. (ie McKinney taking the focus from the Dems well thought out compromise package for Home Security)

OK this one drank, the last one shot jizz on interns..neither side gets to wear white in the personal arena.
Discussing that dont pass muster for political debate for me. Yeah no shit this administration sucks..you seriously think anyone's crediting YOU for that realization? Please...dead horse material bro.

Matter of fact, I seldom argue your core position..just the language you frame it in.
Insult politics wont win you any converts..
THAT was the point of my response.
Good job on completely missing it....again.

hahah dude..you CLOSED a political topic with some heat
(but no WAY out of control flames..just some smoke)
but LEAVE OPEN the Envy thread?

That Envy shit is still running right now as we speak...but a political discussion??
..OMG BAD...LOCK..KILL...uaarrgghhh!!

are you for real???

Shutting a thread that really isnt out of control,
which discusses something substantial,
(even if participants HEAVILY disagree)
smacks of BLATANT personal preference,
and is a misuse of your Mod status
if youre going to leave that TOTAL flame bait i put out on Envy.

Calling threads you dont Like "Piles of Shit" and "Thread Locked I Win" bullshit.....That's weak bro.

If you take your job seriously, and this isnt Haz's list of unacceptable topics but ACCEPTABLE flames,
Close Envy...reopen the political discussion..
I think Reb was about to pwn me with his intellectual gamer skillzorxx...wouldnt that be fun to watch?

Controversy is the only thing that gets this forum going..or havent you noticed?

Weaksauce, Haz.

And so I will continue the debate:

Let's take a step back. I didn't write my posts as an insult to you, though I have done before (and relish the chance to do so again), so it's a shame you took them take way. I thought comparing me, in a roundabout way, to mean townsfolk was rather funny!

Dude, I caught your metaphor. It's a good one. But I think you misapply it to yourself. Are you really saying that my criticism of George Bush and the Republican Party is like laughing at you for having an abusive father when you were 16? (yes, yes I know YOU didn't have one...)

If you are, you're wrong. I'm criticizing our government, run by the Republican party (controling all four branches of the government) by using the metaphor of "a drunk". Maybe that makes you feel persecuted. It would if I had voted one of them in. I'd be defensive. I'd lash out whenever someone criticized them, because I'd feel responsible. I'd feel like I owned that crticizm. But it would not literally be my fault.

I do like to trace ownership of public crimes back to the people who voted for them. I want them to think about their vote before they cast it and consider if they truly endorse the person... or whether they are just upset over some picadilly. I've been guilty of the same thing.

The purpose of my post was to bring this up : the issue of irresponsiblity. At what point have those in power seriously questioned their actions? They haven't and they simply won't. The way you get irresponsibly people out of office in this country is to vote them out. I really do consider that the first step in solving this nation's problem. It's simplistic, but it's something we all can do.

Right now the people in power are Republicans. We both agree they are piss.

You also asked for a Democratic leader and what their solutions to the problems created by Republicans are. I pointed to Russ Feingold, a guy who's taking very public stands on several issues. The most prominent of these is the Censor resolution proposed in the Senate. If you'd like me to go into more detail on this, I can, but sufice to it say the President has decided he can avoid following the wire tap laws on domestic survelance. It's not even what Bush is doing while breaking the law; it's that he's insisting on continuing to do so, which sets a precident for future Presidents to exploit. Feingold is taking action to hold him accountable avoid setting a dangerous precident that weakens our rights as citizens.

But the trouble remains, there is so much that has been broken in this country after five years of near absolute Republican rule. How can I possibly give you, in this forum, a fix for all of them or point to a leader on every issue?

Worse, if I offer up my time to find you the Left's detailed policies, you mock me. I offer you the bullet points from two websites that are reductionist in the level of detail they provide on the Democratic agenda, you mock me too. How do I have a disccussion with you when there is no way to begin? No matter how we approach it, you dismiss it.

You're pretty good at the ad hominem attacks yourself. I have no problem with that. It's fun and a flamboyant way to make your point . But if you want to have me to be "adult" then you need to be as well. You know that. So, to paraphrase what you've said to me before, it seems you don't want to have a debate, that you'd rather complain about the lack of debate, or the broadnes of the criticism, or whatnot.

Ill second the motion of Sixhits, and continue anyways...

nanny nanny haz...

While its been my general tone...(somewhat mocking) with our debates...id make it known, that i probably misphrased MY thoughts on the detailed policy list you provided..

Thats what i asked for and you came thru.

And as for how the Dems handle themselves...Not as much mocking as pointing out a weakness that I too, ascribe the democrats..(their political will to execute lacks sorely) I was actually addressing what is VIEWED as a weakness...rather than perhaps whether it is or not...fair point there.

As for the metaphor..what i meant, was not to compare mocking bush to mocking the Kid, but rather, Mocking Bush is similar (at this point) to mocking the kid when he has no means of escape from what he KNOWS to be a fucked situation NOR offereing him a solution. The townspeople pointed out publically the shitty situation, but while being in a position to suggest particulars for relief..did nothing but reassign blame...such as you assigning blame to voters...(which is fine)

But when those voters KNOW they fucked the pooch, they dont need to be reminded anymore. The country doesnt need to be reminded anymore. Barring Martial Law, Im betting there is a DRASTIC fucking change at the next presidential cyle. It may come as early as the mid-terms...we'll see.

And yeah im feeling some responsibilty...not regret mind you..because i voted with the best info i had..even after the first election. I voted for him twice. Complex reasoning process tho..not kneejerk..I knew or felt it was a lesser of two evils..but had NO clue hed bring in such a fucked up Crony-Army ..no clue.

As ive stated in other posts..Bush is not even REMOTELY the same human that i voted for, becuase i watched him in action as governor closely..and we're not even talking the same species...My take is that something REALLLLLY godamned heavy is happening behind the scenes or he may actually be experiencing early onset dementia..thats how radically different they are. I was voting for razor sharp bush the governor....

I accept the premise of irresponsibility(and voter responsibility)..and coulnt agree more..but like that Kid thats only 16...we got two more years..cant change that right now, so beating the dead horse (or citizens making fun of the kid for his father before he can legally move out) doestn accomplish anything...its just ...repetitive. And over the course of all debate whether here or with Euros..i godamn get it..ya dont like Bush..ffs..ok already...NEXXXXT. (not to you, really..in general..and thats the tone i took with it)

I missed your reference to Feingold..and ill be damned if you didnt bring up the one guy that i couldnt make fun of. I was REALLY hoping you push Hillary at me, so i could guffaw in your face..but alas.

And i knew that wasnt intially an insult at me..i was just angrily responding to the general tone of the world, which i understand..but at the same time, am unable to change at the moment.

NeVER back off..never go easy..Taking radical positions is the only way to really test the other guy to see where he stands in relation. MAke em defend their positions..with force if Necessary so that in the end, generally you find what their core elements of belief are...and maybe find that the positions arent that far off, and everybody is better for the entertaining banter.

Reb was in way the fuck over his head on that one tho...
Having a leet GR #, and being a pro-gamer doesn't REMOTELY qualify him for a debate with me...but you...different story. I welcome it every time.

peace & respect

I think we really can change things. For the first time in a long time.

Let me preface this with the statement that I like balance. No one party, even if it's my own, should rule absolutely. Compromise is the path to stability and success in a nation. No one should ever be so powerful as to be satisfied.

So barring a coup or a war with Iran, I'm pretty sure the Repubs will be out this mid-term. Such a power shift will be good for America. Personally, I want to see the Congress investigate the hell out of this Administration and hold them accountable. No more yes-men.

But my faith in a coming change has little to do with Democratic election chances. It's more to do with how the debate has changed. That the powerful are, in effect, having bullshit called on them by the people. This has emboldened Dems like Feingold and weaked the iron fisted rule of the Republicans. Indeed, the Hammer is now gone form Congress, having announced his retirement.

I think both parties desperately need new blood. When John McCain and Hillary Clinton are the frontrunner for '08, I get pissed. Neither has accomplished anything of significance during these bad years.

And you're right about the left. I have been consistantly disappointed by many of my leaders. I've been paying more attention to Feingold precisely because he has taken the risk of calling fo Censor. It's the right thing to do, and dangerous. His own party, to a large extent, is against him. No one really has the guts to demand accountablity. I keep saying that word, and it's coupled to responsiblity, and I really believe. No one should be in Congress who won't take a stand. That both sides wuss out in their own ways is disappointing. But now I see more and more Dems - people like Feingold, Boxer, Louise Slaughter, John Conyers, Jr. and even Kerry (the fucktard) - standing up for issues they believe. I'll give it to Kerry - he's called for setting a deadline for iraq to form a government or we withdraw immeadiately; if they do form one, we shall wirthdraw by the end of the year. Acts like that encourage me. It's not perfect, but so much is fucked we need to make the hard choices.

Sheix, you ask why people keep "beating the dead horse" about electing bush or siding with the republican party. I know there are only 2 years left in this term as I'm sure Sixhits does. If we do not remind people of the bad choice in reelecting a leader who in my oppinion totally screwed up their first term, then they might repeat the mistake in the next election. Not necessarily with bush since he can not run again, but with some other right winged republican.

I thought for sure, based on Bush's first term performance that there was no way in hell he would win over Kerry unless he pulled some unclear ballot scam in Florida again like in the previous election. I mean here was a man who durring his term let our unemployment rate go from the lowest it had been to almost the highest it has been since the great depression.

I understand changing presidents durring a state of war does not show the solidarity of a country supposedly but I think that having someone who actually had served in a combat unit durring wartime would have been a better choice to lead our country than Bush who seemed more preoccupied with finding the oil in iraq than the weapons of mass destruction but waited til we were so deeply involved in iraq that we couldn't pull out any longer.

Perhaps reminding people of all that Bush and the repiublican party has done wrong will persuade them to just try the Democratic party again. Remember good ole Clinton... He wasn't soo bad. So what if he had sex with a few interns... At least he was good with foreign relations.

But who do we democrats got to offer next? I don't know. I hope to god not hillary cause that would just be giving the election away. I would say Obama but there is no way that a black man would win the election any more than hillary would (not that I am personally opposed to women or african american presidents... Its just the country isn't ready for them yet).

Ein

Quote from: (SiX)Sheixhundt on April 05, 2006, 11:43:12 pm

hahah dude..you CLOSED a political topic with some heat

The majority of the thread was Reb baiting you into a hissy fit in which other people dropped their 2 cents here and there. Not to mention that most of your posts all start out with insults and then slowly merge on topic. I in no way abused my mod status I felt that the thread was destined for flames. Then you give me some comment about the Envy thread when I just logged on and am seeing them for the first time.

I called the thread a pile of shit cause thats what it was turning into a shitstorm between you and Reb. Me saying shit like that and the gg thing is just a joke I didnt say it to exert my power as a mod or some power trip shit, I'm not an egotistical dickhead the thread was dead in my eyes. And I don't take "my job seriously" because it's not a job. It's my choice to moderate cause I like *DAMN and Mauti and everything they have done for me, so ya I joke around. I thought the thread was causing more aggravation than discussion but I guess not everyone felt that way.

Besides if you really wanted to continue the debate all it would have took was a pm and if you have anything else to say to me thats where you should say it.

So what else can I say... My bad

But thats all beside the point, so if the debate is still clean and ongoing I'll just merge the threads.

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