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[Penalties Points?] - [27.4.2002 ; 5:58 am - by *DAMN Mauti]
Hi guys,
I read many posts at the forum asking for penalties points/minus points if a clan loses a clanbattle because some of the Top 10 clans have lost many cb without effecting the skillpoints. Elandrion and me worked out a formula to include penalties points to the current skillpoint system.
There won't be quick points for losing a cb.- The losing clan would lose 10 percent of their skill points. So weak clans can't lose many skillpoints and still have the chance to catch the number one even when they have lost 5 games in a row but for the top 10 clans it will be very hard to defeat their positions.
Exciting clanbattles will be the result!!!
But as usual you can decide if you want penalties points or not. VOTE NOW!
Have a nice day,
*DAMN Mauti
P.S.: By the way I will include a rule about substitutions shortly. (Over 50% voted for allowing substitutions during a clanbattle.)
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Ok guys, look at the problem you are trying to solve and then ask if your solution makes sense....
The main problem I hear is that a clan (let's keep clans out of it to keep this simple and non-emotional) is in first place with many losses and it's because of them not CB'ing the good clans... ok, assuming that is correct, adding penelty points will only make a clan like that avoid more of the better clans... because they have more to lose.
It made your problem worse, not better.
Now, in the case of a challenge rule (which yes, we've talked about) that same clan would be forced to CB any clan that challenged them. If they are better, they will win, if not, they will lose and the other clans will climb the ladder over them. Problem solved.
All adding penelty points does is move them down faster. What good does that do? Have some sort of challenge rule that forces the clans up top to prove themselves in CB's where it counts.
Oh, and having penelty points would work against the challenge rule in some cases too... imagine a very good clan being Number 1 that many of the other clans are afraid of (it happens)... they wouldn't be challenged by any clans that didn't think they could really win, because they wouldn't want the penelty for the loss... so that top clan would still be picking it's own fights in many caases... remember.. the point is to get MORE CB's with more clans.... not less.
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That is why we can have a league and everyone will battle everyone. |
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I think that this is kinda sad. See, most of the comments are regarding us. The reason that people are voting for there to be penalty points is so that we lose points. Presonaly I think that it's a really bad idea because it will encorage just battling newbie clans,
-Typhy |
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perhaps it's stupid that I post this, but for the ones who interested in my opinion... I vote for penalty points. Why, read the post read infection. It's so faggish beating 500 n00b clans and not cbing high clans. This is why i would like to see some sort of league, and as for the penalty points... YES, like many already said, the #1 has alot of points, but alot of losses as well. So give every1 a break and let them have reduced points. I don't care wether it's a poll for voting yes or no or it's a poll wether I'd like it or not... It's the same 2 me. U like it? Yes means vote for... So I vote yes for getting it here (near future perhaps) and for now, yes too, coz 2 me it's almost the same question. The difference is that there is like 50 % chance if it gets here, regardless what the poll says. But still, if ppl say they want the league, u know what their answer upon the poll is... |
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Ok sent Bondo. I spent a while thinking some things out and putting them into that email. I hope if it works we can talk with everyone and figure out final details.
-Infection |
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Infection, if you want to e-mail (or forum PM) me your thoughts on that I'd be happy to read them, we are currently debating the possibility of a challange system or some other system to implement to make sure everyone plays everyone else if asked to. |
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If mine and Grifter's idea were ever thought of as possible or liked by anyone I could certainly explain more and share some good ideas I have...Just a thought. |
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I think there should be penalty points, because some of the top clans have the most losses ex. AK and FbI. I dont think that the clans that lose 9 cbs and won the same amount should be higher in the bl just because they battled more. |
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I have had some of the same thoughts as Grifter with playoffs and a schedule. The only problem is that this would be very hard to do. Some clans aren't always on or have the time to meet schedules. I think that if it was possible that would be a good idea. |
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I say put the challange system in but also take have the clan lose points for losing. They won't have the option ducking to avoid a loss, but there is still somthing at stake over losing. |
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I agree with VooDoo you should be careful with people with Routers WOMBAT. |
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You should have penalties because it would be fairer if a clan was way ahead of clans below on the clanladder to catch up. |
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heh, anyways mauti is it possible to add a thing where you can view a clans old CBs in a list? |
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Cow, soccer sucks...why would ANYBODY do it like soccer? =P |
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I say just do it the soccer way, 3 points for a win, 1 tie, 0 for a win. None of this complicated point system crap, 3,1,0 all you need |
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Well this idea has nothing to do with AK. And well you can't compare the battle league with football, basketball or any other leagues. There you don't get penalty points BUT that is because every team has to play the same amount of games. I'm right or I'm right!? 
VooDoo I know that you can cheat on the league poll however you cheat yourself not me.
Ass and Bondo yep you are totaly right it is necessary to have such an addition. So I'll close the poll soon.
Cow: "Instead of making a rule about losing points for a lose maybe make a rule where you get more points for beating better teams. There is no need to lose points, then sucky clans get negative points?"
You are wrong in both points. I think you didn't understand the skillpoint system at all because it gives you more points when you play against a higher ranked clan. For a win you get fix 10points + number of players who played + rounded points of the losing clan divided through your points multiplicated by 5(to make it more important which clan you fought)
Also weak clans can't get negative points because you lose 10% of your current skillpoints. E.g. if you lose your first played clanbattle you will have your start points: 10 mulitplicated by 0.9 = 9 skillpoints. When you lose the next game too you will have 9. 0.9 = 8(.1) {The skillpoints are rounded so the .1 wouldn't appear} You can't come to 0 or below 0 and with only one win you are better then a clan that didn't play. (10points for the win + minimum 2 points for the players because a cb has to be at least 2vs2)
You see the penalty points would be a real improvement for the league
Force Gorf you will see when your clanbattle vs AK will be posted you will come under the TOP10 because you get more points for beating higher ranked clans.
Have a nice day,
Mauti |
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I watch plenty of sports and RS is nothing like golf. In Football, teams don't lose points for losing. And RS compares to football WAY more than golf, being that there's 2 teams and they don't lose points when they lose. They just don't get to advance on the ladder. They simply gain points when winning to make it to the Super Bowl. And if you were to penalize teams right now as they stand, many would go in negative points, causing an awkward situation for those clans. So while all this seems to be about AK and Everyone's mission to bring them down from being #1, it shows that manipulation is a serious problem that BL is infected with...
Try beating them rather than making new rules to bring them down!
*Sighs* *Voice of the Underground* |
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I think it would likely work retroactively like all other scoring system changes seem to. So yes, it would penalize everyone for their losses already. |
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i definetly agree with cow. u see we beat AK today and they are #1, so we should get a lot of points for that. and you this way the bad clans wouldn't feel bad, AND, it would also fix the problem of shitty clans (ak cough) being at the top. This way would also provide a very good balance and fairness. |
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Doesn't it make sense to lose points when you lose? Forget about what would happen and how the ladder is, isn't that just the way it should be, a winning team gains, a losing team loses. Not the winning team gains and the losing team stays the same. |
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Cow, this is not about AK. This type of action has been debated on before AK even joined the league.
Mauti isn't biased, and I hope that you aren't insinuating that he is. |
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Are we making the rule just to make sure AK isn't in first? so far 5/6 comments have been about AK. Make sure you make the rules fair. If AK CBs a lot then kudos to them for playing with in the rules. Having a really active clan is hard. Instead of making a rule about losing points for a lose maybe make a rule where you get more points for beating better teams. There is no need to lose points, then sucky clans get negative points? thats not fair. Make it so clans get more points for CBing better teams. |
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Kind of like the golf one, if you don't hit your drive past the ladies tees, you have to finish the hole with your pants around your ankles. Good thing I played from the ladies tees so I didn't have to worry about that |
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Word, It's wombat AK is gay and yeah i have always thought there should be penalties for losing a CB, kind of like in most sport leagues... or We could just get naked |
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This isn't a vote to see whether or not it will happen, it is just a poll to see what the feeling about it is. Like Sin said, this is something that may need to be done regardless of what everyone thinks. |
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Mauti, I don't thik that an issue like this should be put to vote. This is one of those issues that is a necessary evil... no one really wants it but it is needed. |
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I think that you want to be carefull of ppl with routers changing there ip's and voteing a bunch of times, cough-AK-cough |
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